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Quite a bit different from Boris Bokha's description of him in Warhammer 3.
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Quite a bit different from Boris Bokha's description of him in Warhammer 3.
That dude wrestled a bear to a tie. In his eyes the same could probably be said of the average Orcish Warboss.
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Boris probably cracked Luitpold's bones in a bear hug to test his strength and thought that meant he was a weakling, when he didn't consider that perhaps Kislevites are goddamn monsters. Have you seen the size difference between Imperials and Kislevites?
Kislevites on the right, Imperials on the left. Disregard the pink clothing, the Imperials were Slaaneshed.
@Boney a few God related questions:
-Aksel mentioned 'his people in larger towns disguise some aspects of their worship', but did he explain why they do it? Is it because worship of Halétha is connected to the Hedgewise, who are unsanctioned magic users? Is it due to the Cult of Taal is doing its usual thing? Something else?
-Other than the Kalita revelation, did Aksel mention anything to Mathilde about the nature of Halétha that we were previously unaware of? Does She have any more spheres of influence that were never mentioned before, other than travel?
-Would books on Kalita fall under 'Benign Spirits of Kislev' or some other category?
-What does Mathilde know about Ladrielle?
-What does Mathilde know about Addaioth, if anything?
-Would books about the Ellinilli count as a single category, or does each Ellinilli count as Their own topic?
-The Ancient Library of the Light College in Tubingen apparently canonically contains a lot of knowledge about theology and Gods. Is this also quest canon? If so, is Mathilde able to access this library?
-Aksel mentioned 'his people in larger towns disguise some aspects of their worship', but did he explain why they do it? Is it because worship of Halétha is connected to the Hedgewise, who are unsanctioned magic users? Is it due to the Cult of Taal is doing its usual thing? Something else?
-Other than the Kalita revelation, did Aksel mention anything to Mathilde about the nature of Halétha that we were previously unaware of? Does She have any more spheres of influence that were never mentioned before, other than travel?
-Would books on Kalita fall under 'Benign Spirits of Kislev' or some other category?
-What does Mathilde know about Ladrielle?
-What does Mathilde know about Addaioth, if anything?
-Would books about the Ellinilli count as a single category, or does each Ellinilli count as Their own topic?
-The Ancient Library of the Light College in Tubingen apparently canonically contains a lot of knowledge about theology and Gods. Is this also quest canon? If so, is Mathilde able to access this library?
Yes.
No.
They don't exist. Kislev is barely above the level of being in a dark age.
Not much. Lady of the Mists, patron goddess of Yvresse.
Ellinilli, fires, volcanos.
Each is a separate topic, since there's a lot of variety in their post-Ellinill fates. Mathlann's become major league, Drakira's found solid niches in all of the splintered Elven societies, and Addaioth is trying to pivot into competing with Vaul. Only Hukon and Estreuth are seemingly content to keep on keeping on as what they were created as, and that might be because the Sundering gave both prime position to shake down half of the resultant schism - Ulthuan has damn good reason to want to keep the Sunderer happy and Naggaroth's bleak climate means they really need to keep the God of Famine appeased.
Yes.
Yes.
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I think it might be more down to the more modern stuff about Luitpold. It matches his characterisation in WFRP 4e: Altdorf - Crown of the Empire page 12 as a paranoid appeaser.
I think your version of the guy is more able to create an emperor Karl-Franz, though also less able to create a living Karl-Franz.
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Also, any difference between the two could be explained in quest by not spending 20 odd years with a vampire's pawn doing who knows what to manipulate him.
I'm going to repeat my suggestion that we enchant the Thurible before we bookmine because I think it'll be really useful to have. We don't know what's underneath the ruins, and being able to flood the tunnels with undead repellent will be really important. Yes, it'll cost 5 CF to hire an enchanter, but people were already talking about spending CF on a Celestial to divine the site—although personally I'd rather use the Gambler—and we generate a lot of CF anyway. We could even donate it to the colleges after we're done with it for more CF.
We could even do the windherding action in the same turn, I guess. Get them both out of the way before Eike turns up, then do the scribe+Great Deed combo, and then speak to Vlag.
Anyway, my idea for next turn would something like:
Plan: waystones and windherding
2-3 waystone actions
1 Eonir diplo action (explore the city, assist a person or house, give a lecture etc)
Windherd
Bookmine w/gambler
Apprentice teaching lessons
We could even do the windherding action in the same turn, I guess. Get them both out of the way before Eike turns up, then do the scribe+Great Deed combo, and then speak to Vlag.
Anyway, my idea for next turn would something like:
Plan: waystones and windherding
2-3 waystone actions
1 Eonir diplo action (explore the city, assist a person or house, give a lecture etc)
Windherd
Bookmine w/gambler
Apprentice teaching lessons
I think we will end up using the Gambler on one of the Waystone actions, those are more important than finding as many books as we can, especially since it is not like Ranald is going to manifest more books, enough skill and enough magic use should see us though well enough.
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From a meta pov, the gambler alters the chart we roll on though.
But that is just "meta".
Bookmining is the most dangerous action though, as it's the one that risks us running into monsters and traps.
Dark Age in the sense of 'It's hard to see because nobody writes stuff down, but the culture is alive and well, just not accessible without going there and talking to people', or Dark Age in the sense of 'there's only ignorant barbarians who are completly occupied with not dieing to gribblies'? From knowing you, I'd assume the first because that's how historians tend to use that term (though they tend to avoid it because it's often taken to mean the second), but the second is probably how the Empire sees things.
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Also I'm pretty tired of waystones constantly being used as some sort of "Roko's Basilisk". It is not morally wrong to dedicate resources, such as the Coin, into non-waystone actions. We are not "saving the world", we are making a small corner of it slightly less shitty—same as we did in Stirland, and the same as we did in K8P, and it's okay to do other stuff alongside that.
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The Writer's Rooms of Kislev City are probably the single greatest source of insight into Kislevite culture in writing, but it's not arranged in a way that fascillitates research:
"A great many of Kislev's populace hail from the hundreds of villages that dot the Kislevite steppe, coming to find work in the city and earn enough to send back to their families. The Writer's Rooms initially began as a few educated men offering to pen letters for illiterate peasants to send word to their families on the steppe of their work, health, and daily lives. Of course, this communication relied on someone being able to read the letter in their home village, but often, merely receiving a letter was enough, even if the letter's recipient could not understand it. As the number of people coming from the steppe increased, so too did the need for a more permanent arrangement, and Tzar Alexandr offered a stipend to any man of letters who was willing to spend a period of time in the Writer's Rooms transcribing the peasants' news and reading them any replies. Over the years, the Writer's Room has grown in size and stature, acquiring neighbouring properties and knocking down walls. From the outside, it resembles a number of humble dwelling places, but inside, it is a warren of stacked papers, bookshelves, and writing booths. It also boasts an extensive library of correspondence that is second to none in its descriptions of the customs, history, superstitions, and legends of the steppe people." Page 81 Realm of the Ice Queen
I believe it's Boris who makes the effort to revolutionise and heal Kislev both physically and spiritually, which includes the improvement of literary work in Kislev, but if you sent a team of trained Gospodarinyi Scholars into those rooms with authorisation to spend years looking over the documents, you could probably make some crazy research initiatives.
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This takes no AV actions, which we need to finish before we can write the book, and thus dunk on the Colleges. They're probably the limiting factor on when we can do that, more than CF.
There's no particular reason we need to do bookmining this turn. I'd swap out bookmining and the windherding for the AV actions.
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Bookmining is a Library action. Doesn't use regular AP.
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Bookmining is a Library action. If you're gonna suggest kicking out Bookmining, it's only reasonable to provide an alternate Library action.
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Right, I meant replace with an AV action and another Library action, since they really want to Windherd before bookmining.
Okay, how about this
2 waystone actions w/ WEB-MAT
1 Free waystone action w/WEB-MAT
1 diplo action
1 windherd action
1 AV action
1 free library bookmining action
1 free EIC action
1 free writing action
Five actions, four free actions, with three waystone actions and two bookmining actions.
This assumes that the waystone actions we can take align with WEB-MAT, but we should be able to do waystone gold with Max, network mapping with Johann, and the Rune with Egrimm, or something like that at least. We obviously won't know until we see the options.
Well, yes, but then I'd have to convince all the people who want to do Bookmining ASAP to delay it by a turn. My suggestion that we do both the Thurible and Bookming this coming turn was a compromise between "we should get this important artefact before we do it" and "we should do the bookmining immediately".
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The Grey Order had seen many pass through their halls on their education through Junior Apprenticeship. The teachers and lecturers of such were naturally slightly cagey by profession and inclination of the likely futures of their charges but even they admitted in the privacy of the Teacher's Lounge that Eike Hochschild was one to keep an eye on.
Eike had dove through their curriculum with a voracity and speed that would be impressive in one half again her age. She was then apprenticed to their newest Lady Magister, who herself had an incredibly impressive if surprisingly public reputation among the shakers and movers of the Empire over the course of her relatively short career. Those with the clearance to know the greater shape of the world were, unusually, even more impressed. And while no one in the Grey College was quite foolish enough to expound on any forbidden-forbidden information, water cooler gossip about the strikingly high regard those known-to-know-things held the Lady Magister made its rounds quickly.
Needless to say, when Mathilde took Eike on as an Apprentice, there was interest from very high up in the Grey Order as the weight of Mathilde's accomplishments started coloring their expectations for Eike. Expectations Eike immediately began blowing out of the water with her first splash into academia.
[A Method for Creating Orbs of Sorcery, by L.M. Grey (Grey), A. Grey (Grey), 2489]
It only got worse from there.
Needless to say, being raised by a Living Legend far from any peers that would provide perspective leads to a…skewed view of what was considered expected.
The Grey Order had seen many pass through their halls on their education through Junior Apprenticeship. The teachers and lecturers of such were naturally slightly cagey by profession and inclination of the likely futures of their charges but even they admitted in the privacy of the Teacher's Lounge that Eike Hochschild was one to keep an eye on.
Eike had dove through their curriculum with a voracity and speed that would be impressive in one half again her age. She was then apprenticed to their newest Lady Magister, who herself had an incredibly impressive if surprisingly public reputation among the shakers and movers of the Empire over the course of her relatively short career. Those with the clearance to know the greater shape of the world were, unusually, even more impressed. And while no one in the Grey College was quite foolish enough to expound on any forbidden-forbidden information, water cooler gossip about the strikingly high regard those known-to-know-things held the Lady Magister made its rounds quickly.
Needless to say, when Mathilde took Eike on as an Apprentice, there was interest from very high up in the Grey Order as the weight of Mathilde's accomplishments started coloring their expectations for Eike. Expectations Eike immediately began blowing out of the water with her first splash into academia.
[A Method for Creating Orbs of Sorcery, by L.M. Grey (Grey), A. Grey (Grey), 2489]
It only got worse from there.
Needless to say, being raised by a Living Legend far from any peers that would provide perspective leads to a…skewed view of what was considered expected.
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I think taking a few wizards and a small throng should be plenty of firepower to deal with whatever we find there. (Bookminers, Mathilde, Adela as our pilot, and whichever Celestial we hire.) I'd personally angle to put the Gambler on it, too, as that both mitigates the danger and increases our chances of finding the juicy rare stuff.
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I am not sure is apprentices go on papers, but regardless it would make sense to involve Eike in the Orb research because the primordial wind thing depends on mage sight and she has another kind, emotional not visual.
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Do we know what form Panoramia's windsight takes?
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