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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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WestOrEast said:
Powering the throne of the High King and other such artifacts, doesn't it?
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Yes, but Mathilde doesn't know that. That's why I gave our source us Cadaeth ("We've got our own piece of the network just as the Dwarves do") rather than Thogrim, as while Thogrim is a much more direct source Mathilde didn't get to read his mind unlike us.
WestOrEast said:
Follow up, where does the Waystone Gold that gets confiscated end up? Thrown into a vault? Melted down with regular gold for coinage to dilute it past the point of use?
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That's a great point, I'll add it.
Glau said:
When we gave Thorek the av, he built a chamber with a rune of spellbreaking at the center and eight sides to collect and channel the individual winds into a battle rune without mixing. Soi think he's got the theory we need.
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
He arguably over-engineered it, either because he was working from first principles, because of safety issues, because he was subjecting an Anvil of Doom to the AV, or simply because he's a dwarf. If he iterates it a miniaturised version may be possible to develop.
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deathofrats0808 said:
Not sure that size will really matter. "We have to build them bigger" feels like the kind of thing everyone would be ok with.
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Yeah, if Thorek's design or other Runesmithing techniques can replicate the Waystone's foundational wheel's mechanism without making Dhar then that has benefits that probably outweigh any size problems, which may well be solvable anyway. I'll add the possibility to the post.
 
Would Alric need to know? I imagine the normal process is letting Mira know and then she can inform Alric once she finds it convenient.

[X] College Dispensation
 
Yeah, the Dhar orbit thing does make sense. For me, it helps to visualize a bunch of highly magnetic planetoids orbiting a small sun, where the planetoids are repulsed from each other the way two magnets with the same pole would be, and the sun's gravity in space behaving like the stuff they discuss in grade-school textbooks. Of course, this is not physics-accurate at all, but you can compare the sun to the Dhar core, and the planetoids to Winds, where the Winds repel each other too much for any given strand to actually touch the core, but not enough to keep any strand from escaping orbit, creating an equilibrium. And if you move the core, the orbiting Winds would follow.

das_slash said:
Would Alric need to know? I imagine the normal process is letting Mira know and then she can inform Alric once she finds it convenient.
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Of course. When we do things by the book, we follow what's on paper, and the papers say that Alric is the Patriarch of the Light Order, and therefore needs to notified of Article 7 Dispensations done through the proper channels, whereas Mira does not because she's just a Lady Magister, and one without personal involvement in the Project at that.
 
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Here's my case for the Emperor option.

Heidi is cool and I'm always up for another scene with her, while Dragomas hasn't caught my interest as much. I think the two options are about equivalent in the level of complications they provide, so I think that's a fine basis on which to make the decision.
 
pucflek said:
Sure. But its still doubtful Mathilde is the first being in five millenia that noticed and that this information, directly related to propagation of chaos across entire planet, would not be leaked already, by chaos.
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Could be first of Empire mages for some time. Other parties are not realy keen to share their Waystone related information, Kislev is good example.


Nerdasaurus Rex said:
If someone asks Algard "hey, is Mathilde supposed to working with Dhar?" and he goes "... I don't think so?" what do you think will happen next?
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What happens next is as soon someone reaches either Mathilde or Emperor they get official "It's not your business card".


picklepikkl said:
I want the other Magister Patriarchs and Magister Matriarchs to view this project as The Colleges of Magic cooperating with the elder races and other traditions.
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That could be tricky, when Mathilde herself views this as:
Boney said:
No, Mathilde is trying to avoid creating any us-versus-them thinking. She wants it to be that this isn't the four factions of the Colleges, the Elves, Kislev, and Thorek, this is a ten different organizations meeting and cooperating as equals.
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silentorphan said:
Not quite? I'm sure that if a Witch Hunter reaches Mathilde instead of the Emperor and gets told "it's not your business," all that'll happen is that the Witch Hunter becomes really annoyed and might escalate.
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Why wouldn't we show this Witch Hunter an official Dispensation from the Emperor? It's just that concrete details are "Not your business". This is the whole point of either "going official" choices.
 
I have this mental image of a tiny Dragomas and Lutpold in Mathilde's brain, doing a classic sketch.

"College Disposition!" Says Dragomas.
"Imperial Disposition!" Says Lutpold.
"College Disposition!"
"Imperial Disposition!"
"Imperial Disposition!"
"College Disposition, and that's final!"
(pause)
(sounds of a spontaneous explosion)
 
StormySky said:
Yeah, the Dhar orbit thing does make sense. For me, it helps to visualize a bunch of highly magnetic planetoids orbiting a small sun, where the planetoids are repulsed from each other the way two magnets with the same pole would be, and the sun's gravity in space behaving like the stuff they discuss in grade-school textbooks. Of course, this is not physics-accurate at all, but you can compare the sun to the Dhar core, and the planetoids to Winds, where the Winds repel each other too much for any given strand to actually touch the core, but not enough to keep any strand from escaping orbit, creating an equilibrium. And if you move the core, the orbiting Winds would follow.
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I was picturing a small strand of dhar around which 2+ thicker strands of differing winds orbited around in a double/triple/ect helix rather than discrete packets.

Stick a wee bit of extra dhar at the reciving end to create as an attractive force, and that should get the strand moving forward.
 
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BeepSmile said:
I was picturing a small strand of dhar around which 2+ thicker strands of differing winds orbited around in a double/triple/ect helix rather than discrete packets.

Stick a wee bit of extra dhar at the reciving end to create as an attractive force, and that should get the strand moving forward.
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It's probably something in between, since Waystones seem to send magic off in waves depending on what's available in their environment.
 
Is the reason people are worried about Alric because Mathilde screwed over his attempt to get credit for saving the Haupt-Anderssens in Talabecland and might try to muscle in out of either spite or to imporve his standing?

Because if it is then does he even know it was us? Mira knew we were there, as did Regimand and Roswita but why would any of them tell him. There were also the the templars of sigmar who would probably be difficult for a wizard to get information out of and the Longshanks who we gave credit to so why would they say anything other than it was us?

In terms of just trying to improve his standing I don't think the waystone project would work. Its going to to years, maybe decades to get to the point where we'd be building waystones which I think's be the point where being attached to the project would start to mean something in terns of helping him with is standing in the light college. I think that that would be to long for him.
 
At the end of the day I do not think we can lose the project itself as I do not see either Dragonas or Algard nixing this so the worst that can happen is we lose some of our wizard support which would be bad but not catastrophic
 
Alric has little to no reason to interfer with the Waystone project.

It makes his political situation worse, since he would by proxy annoy every single faction alone who's in it allready. It would launch his political carrier into the dust

Atop the fact that the waystone project is important to the Empire's survival. If Alric have any loyalty what so ever(which he's been generally been thought of as, a loyal, if a bit stubborn/arrogant), he wouldn't make waves here, since he more then most people would know how important this waystone project it.

This vote isn't about hidding the project, that cat is way out of the bag allready. It's about hiding the fact we will need to study dark magic on the side as a result, which is an accepted thing going by Johann, and not something unusual or going by reactions to him doing.

What would be weird is hidding it, because it sets up implication that Mathilda wanted to hide the fact she was gonna need to study/work with Dhar.

Alric is annoying but he isn't some omnipitent political genius, he can barely hold onto his own Collage, and first found for his Great Deed were the descended of Dieter, the family most hated by thr collages. He is not in a secure position to mess with us.
 
Sa'kage said:
This vote isn't about hidding the project, that cat is way out of the bag allready. It's about hiding the fact we will need to study dark magic on the side as a result, which is an accepted thing going by Johann, and not something unusual or going by reactions to him doing.
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Dispensation to study dark magic is pretty unusual. Not many College Wizards get one. Almost none get second one.
Sa'kage said:
What would be weird is hidding it, because it sets up implication that Mathilda wanted to hide the fact she was gonna need to study/work with Dhar.
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Going to highest official power in Empire for dispensation is definitely not equal to maliciously hiding it.
 
[O] Move the Waystone Project and become Markgraf of Sylvania, to harvest the plentiful Dhar, only to fall and become the Supreme Magical Necromantic Ranaldian Vampire Overlord of Malus and resurrect our one true love
 
This is probably a bit random, but I actually headcanon that just as there are rumors about Mathilde and Heidi having an affair, there might also be rumors of Lutipold and Dragomas having a thing too.

I mean, c'mon, who could resist the half naked hunk at the Zoo that can turn into a Dragon? That is the true reason behind their private meetings. Pay no attention to the fact that their jobs intersect, they're clearly dating.
 
TreP said:
Going to highest official power in Empire for dispensation is definitely not equal to maliciously hiding it.
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For the people who would be against the project it would be. Because we'd be hidding this from every single magical expert who could point out if we're doing something really illegally bad.

Waystones are vital to the way of life, the fact that someone is doing something Dhar releated there, and tried to hide it from all of the most loyal and knowledgeable of mages is suspicious(Which is what the patriarchs are suppose to be)
 
[X] College Dispensation

This is a matter where playing silly bugger would get you an extremely bad and probably last day. And Alric shouldn't even be a consideration in the first place.

If Alric is willing enough to do so, I doubt he would do anything before the consequences would get to him. If he were any smarter, he would even go as far as contribute more and get a piece of the glory.

Let the consequences hit where it lays, and may the RnG god favour Boney roll of the dice. Oh, and Ranald too I guess
 
Glau said:
When, then, do you expect the high elven interference to begin?
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I don't know, whenever whatever rumor mill in Kislev mentions there was a Grey Order mage talking about waystones with Tsarevich Pavlov on two separate occassions and the Erengard Witch of Considerable Power left for Laurelorn. Since the local HE community even is from Erengard, that would make sense.

The information is out there, acting as if sending it through the extremely secure Collegiate apparatus is some kind of infosec risk considering the whole run up we had so farwas just Mathilde going to anything and anyone and asking them "hey do you wanna build a waystone" is strange.

There could possibly be hubbub about the "Waystones use DHAR. DANGER!" but you would think if there was, Tzeentchians would use it millenia ago as a way to spur on the worst elements of the Empire to dismantle it centuries ago as a pretext.
 
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