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What kind of side effects did the Empire experience from the pent up magical energies during that period? Or did that get buried under the general anarchy of the Great War?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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What? No, that makes no sense? How do you think Egrimm and Johann got their dispensation? They don't have connections to the emperor, they did it through the normal channels and got it approved. Why would they get kicked of the project for that? I literally don't understand the point you're making.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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That's one interpretation, but frankly Alric can't do much even if Mathilde goes through Dragomas. Not unless he becomes SP, and there isn't an opportunity for that for another 6 years and I frankly kind of doubt he's going to win that.
Between the aftermath of the Great War, the general chaos of Magnus cobbling the Empire back together, and the fact that the Wizards of the time were barely out of boot camp, it's impossible to say.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
[X] Imperial Dispensation
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[X] Imperial Dispensation
Also also, just a random idea I wanted to run past some people; Percy Jackson style demigods in WHF.
Also also, just a random idea I wanted to run past some people; Percy Jackson style demigods in WHF.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
TBH, the Colleges keep knowledge of "Who has a Dispensation and for what terms they can work on" very fucking secret, for that very reason. Yes, the Patriarchs have need to know, but nobody below them does outside of "need to know"
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You get one dispensation. Ever. In your entire life. Because if you let people poke the bad juju more than once they might decide they like it, or maybe they already liked it and just wanted the ability to practice more. Either way since both of them have been given dispensation before they shouldn't ever be given it again.
Even giving out one dispensation is playing fast and loose with the articles the colleges rely on so pushing that boundary further by handing out two is really risky.
I literally laid out one way he could do something though in the original post you replied to.
[X] Imperial Dispensation
Gap
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I can see that reasoning thanks. Going directly it is indeed not that right way I agree with your points, but I still don't think it compares to information security, call it paranoia.
It seems the mechanical effetcts are similar, both end up with permission, main differences are:
- Other heads learn about the Dhar subject (long term they will learn about it through their wizards)
-- With this information know to more people it may bring more oversight, maybe not to us but high chance the other wizards will have it.
-- Paranoia speaking: why should we let them know? Can we trust their information security? Probably yes. Can we trust they will trust us with such sensistive topic? I don't.
- Dragomas will be bypassed if we choose Imperial option.
-- Do we care? Does he? He does, probably, but I don't think he will mind much
-- Dragomas, the other project wizards and anyone else invoved in the permission will know we have a connection with the Empress (thats a secret?)
---This kind of thing may count as a favour
Edit: focused so much on the heads forgot to write. I dont think we can be sure only the heads will learn about it. The less people know it, the better
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We established long before this vote that the fewer eyes on this project at its start in general, the better. Focusing on Aldrich is a red herring, frankly.
Stay the course and keep this need to know. Imperial dispensation is the way to accomplish that.
That we believe he will find out anyways says that she cannot, and that the official channels will make this far more public than you are implying.
The emperor is not just above the heads of the colleges, he is above the heads of the cult of Sigmar and the witch hunters, besides.
Minimize outside influence and leverage is our goal here. The emperor is the best way to accomplish that.
Stay the course and keep this need to know. Imperial dispensation is the way to accomplish that.
You would think that the present matriarch of the light order would want to keep her foremost political opponent, Aldrich, in the dark about it then.
That we believe he will find out anyways says that she cannot, and that the official channels will make this far more public than you are implying.
The emperor is not just above the heads of the colleges, he is above the heads of the cult of Sigmar and the witch hunters, besides.
Minimize outside influence and leverage is our goal here. The emperor is the best way to accomplish that.
If it gets made into a threadmark, sure, I'll be up for that.
Did he? What do you have in mind?
I don't think that this is something we want to do now. Once we know enough about Waystones to try and bring nodes back online then that's something to consider, but we have a lot of research to do before that will be the case.
Mopman43
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I'm sure that upper Chaos guys are totally aware. It's just we are really-really beneath their notice. That does not exclude the possibility of some cultists trying to get some favors of course, but not someone serious.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Except that way will fail, because the Emperor's reaction will be "I have a magical advisor for this, go talk to Dragomas" and Dragomas will tell Alric to go away, because he wouldn't grant the dispensation if he didn't think it would be ok. Not to mention, as @Nerdasaurus Rex mentioned, working with the Cult like that without proof would be political suicide, which Alric is unlikely to commit to annoy Mathilde.
Mopman43
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I imagine Glau's talking about Thorek's device to separate the AV into separate Winds.
Mathilde killed a candidate for Everchosen, led a two-women attack on a major encampment of the strongest Kurgan tribe to loot a fairly powerful Chaotic artifact, disrupted Tzeentch's scheme millennia in the making to separate Gork and Mork, and stole Karag Vlag from Slannesh.
Mathilde is not beneath notice.
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The world that is has a better chance go keep on turning for longer, with him on it, possibly with the waterfolk stuck doing the scutwork to see to his comfort as an added bonus.
It beats having to find a comfortable magical convergence somewhere south of Araby in the next Millennium or two, moving is always such a pain.
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What? This isn't true at all. And besides, what's the point of telling someone "You're only allowed to study dark magic once in your life"? Surely if someone is trusted to study dark magic once, they'll be trusted again—rather than putting your trust in a second person and telling the first their services are no longer needed.
Seriously, unless you can pull up a quote from Boney that specifically says Article 7 dispensations are a once-per-lifetime thing, I'm going to disregard it.
Mopman43
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Cython's response to a million Greenskins marching on K8P was "That sounds like a you problem".
I don't think that would convince them.
Useless Writer
He who should not access the interwebs...
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[X] College Dispensation
I'mma be honest, this seems like the best option at this time. Going over the Supreme Patriarch's head out of paranoia sounds like a bad idea. Who knows, wider scrutiny might bring other organizations with bits of waystone lore out of the woodwork. (Yes I'm aware that this could go poorly, but I like to have hope)
I'mma be honest, this seems like the best option at this time. Going over the Supreme Patriarch's head out of paranoia sounds like a bad idea. Who knows, wider scrutiny might bring other organizations with bits of waystone lore out of the woodwork. (Yes I'm aware that this could go poorly, but I like to have hope)
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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To be fair, that was because Cython was of the (probably correct) opinion that if the orcs bothered Cython, Cython could just kill them. Can't kill the world ending due to the inevitable march of Chaos.
K von Carstein
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Wdym by that? You want to write something in that style?🙂
Tbh, a Waaagh! isn't in the same weight class as « the entire planet being pulled into the Warp ». And Cython could just fly away to escape the orks, not som much Choas.
Why would high ranked daemon care about some human failures, who weren't strong enough to stop a single mage?
And Tzeentch's schemes are Tzeentch's schemes. For all we know, it could all be a part of his actual (
) plan.
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I'm sorry, but I laughed really hard at this.
When we gave Thorek the av, he built a chamber with a rune of spellbreaking at the center and eight sides to collect and channel the individual winds into a battle rune without mixing. Soi think he's got the theory we need.