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Has Dragomas ever actually detailed what his trip to the Far East looked like or is he keeping that stuff secret? I'm sure there's a lot of curiosity on how a Journeyman made that journey. Although he might prefer to keep silent about it.

He only really started that journey alone. By the end of it it was basically a caravan of all the gribblies that tried to eat him and he had subsequently made friends with.

Could we try to directly hire some of those unemployed Eonir into our army of scribes permanently? Or is the price for getting them to leave Tor Lithanel and potentially lose their Toriour status too high to be worth it, despite these being otherwise unemployed and sometimes even homeless people? Maybe there's Faniour willing to take the deal.

[ ] Go about recruiting an army of scribes so you can start copying entire libraries of material.
 
1. Waystones will continue to be extremely important to the continued of existence of *checks notes* everyone.
Yes, attitudes might change, but that is not going to noticeably impede the project, and any further magisters we want to recruit will need to be brought in anyway, the knowledge will spread to Pattriarchs/Mattriarchs sooner or later, and sooner it does the less questions there will be of why we kept it from them.
No one in Empire has tried to solve Waystones situation collectively before Mathilde. At most there were interested loners, who gave up quickly. And even for Mathilde, Colleges are not offering any help freely, only exchange for deals and favors. That does not scream "important" to me. For us, as OOC players? Sure. For IC Empire mages? Maybe in a sense of preserving existing ones, but not more.
2. It is not going to take long enough to be noticeable, at most we spend one turn doing theoretical studies, mapping leylines, or staring at waystones, instead of trying to build a prototype, which i would have assumed was a case anyway.
People here are really clingy to their AP. Be cautios, offering something that is not optimal could be seen as heresy. :V
3. This is not going to be a colleges wide publication. Information goes from Dragomas to PAttriarchs, maybe one or two of the more trusted senior magisters.
Dragomas + Other Patriarchs + their trusted magisters is somewhat 6 persons already. Not many secrets will survive that many people. Unless it's Conspiracy of Silence of course.
The risks of college dispensation are vastly overstated, while the lack of risks from imperial dispensation are understated.
I agree that risks of college are overstated. But what risks from Imperial one are understated in you opinion?
 
Hm. Random thought, maybe we could do an action where we spend some of our cash to get fighting manuals done and copied for the major styles of swordsmanship and pugilism, etc in the Empire and beyond and put them into our library. I don't know if Dawi fighting arts are held as close to the chest as guild secrets, but if they aren't we can get those. Maybe translated versions of whatever kind of strategic writings they have. Same for the Eonir - that would make our little library get some note and some foot traffic.
 
Dragomas + Other Patriarchs + their trusted magisters is somewhat 6 persons already. Not many secrets will survive that many people. Unless it's Conspiracy of Silence of course.
Huh. Is it fair to use the Conspiracy of Silence as evidence that Imperials have an above average secret keeping ability? Maybe they learned it from the Dwarves, who keep all kinds of secrets from each other?
 
Huh. Is it fair to use the Conspiracy of Silence as evidence that Imperials have an above average secret keeping ability? Maybe they learned it from the Dwarves, who keep all kinds of secrets from each other?
Isn't the Conspiracy of Silence supposed to be something like the population of the Elves--it can have as many or as few people as the story needs?
 
No one in Empire has tried to solve Waystones situation collectively before Mathilde. At most there were interested loners, who gave up quickly. And even for Mathilde, Colleges are not offering any help freely, only exchange for deals and favors. That does not scream "important" to me. For us, as OOC players? Sure. For IC Empire mages? Maybe in a sense of preserving existing ones, but not more.

People here are really clingy to their AP. Be cautios, offering something that is not optimal could be seen as heresy. :V

Dragomas + Other Patriarchs + their trusted magisters is somewhat 6 persons already. Not many secrets will survive that many people. Unless it's Conspiracy of Silence of course.

I agree that risks of college are overstated. But what risks from Imperial one are understated in you opinion?
Nobody in the empire has been in the position to solve the situation, or to even be aware of how bad the situation is, until now.
This is super important, and Lord/Lady magisters will be able to see it.

And what i am offering is optimal, trying to go straight to prototype stage is silly at best.

And hundreds, if not thousands, of elves.
Colleges manage to keep bigger secrets all the time.
 
He only really started that journey alone. By the end of it it was basically a caravan of all the gribblies that tried to eat him and he had subsequently made friends with.
Ah... That's a Journey to the West reference. The Power of Friendship is beyond comparison. No wonder he succeeded where so many others failed.
 
Well this is strange, why is their thinking that Alric is going to be actively malicious with us to the point of engaging in political suicide? We have not visibly whatsoever did anything to actively antagonize the man except possibly stealing Egrimm from his control for unknown reasons which would immediately become clear if he gets the college request. We have obscured any hint of our involvement with the incident in Talabheim to such degree that unless he actively wastes his time on going over his own failure instead of attempting new schemes, it would nearly impossible to find any hint of our involvement in his case as shown below.


Still, Chaos thwarted, Empress safe, Alric upstaged. All in all, a good night's work. But when dawn does creep over the city of Talabheim, there's going to be a great deal of rumour about the dramatic events that unfolded on the city streets, and some sort of official story is going to be distributed by the city's bellmen to reassure the alarmed and intrigued populace. They won't get the full story, of course, but those with influence will get something closer to the truth. The question is what, exactly, that version is going to be. It is not at all unknown for the involvement of Grey Wizards to be left out of even the unofficial version of events, and that the worst a Longshank experienced through all this was being rather badly in need of a bath means you have more than enough goodwill with them to shape the story that will be distributed, and decide who will get the credit and attention for the culmination of this matter, for good and ill.

If Mathilde gives away the credit, it becomes a lot less likely for him to be able to uncover it, because then there'd be an official answer to the questions he'd be asking. It'd only be if she called the manhunt and then left the matter unresolved that the matter would be relatively easy for Alric to dig into.

When it's a former Elector Count fallen to Chaos, Algard absolutely would stonewall Alric to keep that secret buried. This is the sort of nightmare scenario the Grey Order was made to make disappear.

"Well, if you have to play politics, that's the way to play it," Regimand says to you the next morning, as he peruses a freshly-printed news-sheet. "All mention is of a Longshank victory over a mutant cultist after a prolonged search, with thanks to their coreligionists and the Taalbaston Guard. Alric would have to rub his own nose in his failure quite a bit to be able to get a whiff of your interference."

"He might be able to make some hay out of having protected the Unfähigers until the Witch Hunters caught up with the murderer, but that is a long way from the triumph he needs. And beyond all that, having removed the man in question from the Empire is a job well done itself. I'm happy with how it all turned out."

Along with that, him knowing about the Waystone Project means he will understand precisely about how important it is extensively even with the barest details such as working with Karaz Ankor and Elves directly together for this project and much more with the implications of cooperation being staggering for the entirety of the Empire and its colleges. Meaning that the man who has being able to be patriarch of his order for a long period despite his reputation knows when not to stick his political foot into the political beehive that is likely to completely and utterly ruin him for the sake of spite.

[X] College Dispensation
 
Nobody in the empire has been in the position to solve the situation, or to even be aware of how bad the situation is, until now.
This is super important, and Lord/Lady magisters will be able to see it.
Ob they probably think it's super important too. They just think our project will not amount too much and will putter out without results.
Thinking something is important and thinking that something can succeed are two different things.
 
Ob they probably think it's super important too. They just think our project will not amount too much and will putter out without results.
Thinking something is important and thinking that something can succeed are two different things.
Which is why they asked Mathilde to do something for them in exchange.
And making waystones is just a stretchgoal, gaining secrets from the elder races is the major draw, and you know what, we just did.
Project is a success.
Now we just start pushing the score.
 
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Which is why they asked MAthilde to do something for them in exchange.
And making waystones is just a stretchgoal, gaining secrets from the elder races is the major draw, and you know what, we just did.
Project is a success.
Now we just start pushing the score.
What great secrets did we get from the elder races... That the whole waystones network is made out of free flowing dhar? That's gonna go over great... We have nothing to show yet, literally nothing. Them being sceptical is totally warranted.
 
You'd probably need at least a working prototype to convince someone from Cathay that the four thousand mile journey to the Empire is worth the trip.
That's...about the distance IRL. I thought you were using double-Earth size Warhammer World?

One thing I am curious about is how does the Waystone know when it has to make Dhar to keep up the flow? That sounds like the kind of thing that would need some kind of magical machine logic and we hit a wall on that, the only way we know around it is to bind something to the mechanism. Is there some kind of spirit bound at the heart of every waystone? And if it is what kind.
Thsi is the same collaboration of people who made Bok, who by all accounts is basically an AI.

Ah... That's a Journey to the West reference. The Power of Friendship is beyond comparison. No wonder he succeeded where so many others failed.
Nah. Journey to the West had a Five-Man Band, I'm guessing Boney means significantly more "all of the animals" than that.
 
Ob they probably think it's super important too. They just think our project will not amount too much and will putter out without results.
Thinking something is important and thinking that something can succeed are two different things.
Even if this project utterly fails to accomplish anything Waystone related, it will still funnel quite a bit of Elven magical theory to the Empire and to Kislev. More if it goes on for longer.
 
Nobody in the empire has been in the position to solve the situation, or to even be aware of how bad the situation is, until now.
This is super important, and Lord/Lady magisters will be able to see it.
It's either Colleges does not have any trust that Mathilde will succeed, or they don't think this is important at all. Otherwise they wouldn't let us base this Project outside of their authority.
And what i am offering is optimal, trying to go straight to prototype stage is silly at best.
That's your opinion of optimal, other's opinion may or may not differ.
And hundreds, if not thousands, of elves.
Colleges manage to keep bigger secrets all the time.
What does elves have to do with Empire inner secret? It's like calling Conspiracy of Silence useless because Skaven are aware of their own existence.
My point is not that Colleges would not be able to hold a secret, but that the spread of this info inside the Colleges are enough to cause some revulsion for the Project.
 
Even if this project utterly fails to accomplish anything Waystone related, it will still funnel quite a bit of Elven magical theory to the Empire and to Kislev. More if it goes on for longer.
True but that's not as important as SAVING THE WOOOOOORLD.
Now that laurelorn has opened up it will mean that other will be able to have exchanges with the eonir. Maybe not as big as ours but time is on the humans side here.
I'm trying to say that as important as everyone thinks our work is, I doubt most believe we can actually do it.
 
No it isn't, it's been done for millennia before Dieter. Again, Feudalism. This is part of the system. Freaking Sigmar was already up to this shit back in the day. 'Skip your immediate superior and go to the Emperor' is one of the big selling points of having an Emperor for most nobles.
Ahh yes. The one good point to feudalism.
All the authority of a totalitarian state.
Only half of the instability.

Speaking of options. Going with the Cults might weaken their influence short term but might make them more valued allies to magic colleges in the future, thus leading to cooperation between them against the hegemony of the signmarites and the witch hunters.
 
What great secrets did we get from the elder races... That the whole waystones network is made out of free flowing dhar? That's gonna go over great... We have nothing to show yet, literally nothing. Them being sceptical is totally warranted.
And dawi know how to make stones channel magic, and everything about the rune, that the leyline network goes through Athel Loren and Marienburg.
Also the confirmation about the old ones.
They might not be great secrets, but they are a start.

It's either Colleges does not have any trust that Mathilde will succeed, or they don't think this is important at all. Otherwise they wouldn't let us base this Project outside of their authority.

That's your opinion of optimal, other's opinion may or may not differ.

What does elves have to do with Empire inner secret? It's like calling Conspiracy of Silence useless because Skaven are aware of their own existence.
My point is not that Colleges would not be able to hold a secret, but that the spread of this info inside the Colleges are enough to cause some revulsion for the Project.
I have no idea what you are arguing here for.

Anyone is free to argue that we should not do proper groundwork before we start making prototypes.
I doubt they will succeed.

What spread?
 
It's either Colleges does not have any trust that Mathilde will succeed, or they don't think this is important at all. Otherwise they wouldn't let us base this Project outside of their authority.

This feels like a bit of a reach, 'they' did not force us to operate under imperial authority since Mathilde is a LM involved in delicate international diplomacy, even if there are interests that would want the Project under imperial authority they would have to balance that against the notion that we simply would refuse to do it there as well as being unable to make use of non-imperial mages like the witches or even the Eonir. If this were in Aldorf we would not technically even be able to bring the Grey Lords in, you know assuming they would want to leave their nice safe realm for the stinky human city.
 
And dawi know how to make stones channel magic, and everything about the rune, that the leyline network goes through Athel Loren and Marienburg.
Also the confirmation about the old ones.
They might not be great secrets, but they are a start.
...yes, runesmiths know how to make stone channel magic... What a surprise...
The Leyline network is very meh. Knowing it flows through athel Loren is as impactful as knowing Araby has one...
I'm not saying we don't get anything but right now we only have the knowledge that the waystones intentionally produce dhar as a big secret. And it wasn't really a secret, more of a math formula we didn't know...
 
What great secrets did we get from the elder races... That the whole waystones network is made out of free flowing dhar? That's gonna go over great... We have nothing to show yet, literally nothing. Them being sceptical is totally warranted.

I mean yeah... that is in paper terms a shattering discovery. As far as anyone in the colleges knows 'free flowing Dhar' is an oxymoron, Dhar does not flow freely, it pools and corrupts the land. The news that you can make Dhar flow out of an area and go back to the hell that spawned it would likely raise quite a few eyebrows.
 
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...yes, runesmiths know how to make stone channel magic... What a surprise...
The Leyline network is very meh. Knowing it flows through athel Loren is as impactful as knowing Araby has one...
I'm not saying we don't get anything but right now we only have the knowledge that the waystones intentionally produce dhar as a big secret. And it wasn't really a secret, more of a math formula we didn't know...
I'm not seeing your point?
We came for secrets, we got secrets, now we keep working for more secrets.
 
I'm not seeing your point?
We came for secrets, we got secrets, now we keep working for more secrets.
None of those were secrets. Runesmiths channel magic through stone all the time, through runes. That they have techniques that make that easier is almost elemental. And that the waystones networks spans the old world is no secret. No one cared enough before to actually map it but they all knew it was widespread.
We haven't gotten any secrets.
 
None of those were secrets. Runesmiths channel magic through stone all the time, through runes. That they have techniques that make that easier is almost elemental. And that the waystones networks spans the old world is no secret. No one cared enough before to actually map it but they all knew it was widespread.
We haven't gotten any secrets.

I feel like you are missing the fact that before the paper on Anvils of Doom in the Karak Eight Peaks expedition humans did not even know what Anvils of Doom could do, so no it is not general knowledge that Runesmiths could make stone more porous to magic. That is not a thing that anyone not a runesmith knew which is why Thorek looked pained all conversation.

As a rule of thumb if you have to pry something out of a runelord one syllable at a time the colleges of magic did not know about it. Hell before just now no wizard not named Mathilde or Panoramia even knew there was a dwarf Waystone network that was separate from the elven one... or a kislevite one.
 
...yes, runesmiths know how to make stone channel magic... What a surprise...
The Leyline network is very meh. Knowing it flows through athel Loren is as impactful as knowing Araby has one...
I'm not saying we don't get anything but right now we only have the knowledge that the waystones intentionally produce dhar as a big secret. And it wasn't really a secret, more of a math formula we didn't know...
That was literally the first action we did on the WP, we're not going to get everyone's juicy secrets after just a few days of conversations.The people working for the Manhattan Project didn't make a functional nuclear bomb after the first afternoon of work.
 
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