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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
I feel like you are missing the fact that before the paper on Anvils of Doom in the Karak Eight Peaks expedition humans did not even know what Anvils of Doom could do, so no it is not general knowledge that Runesmiths could make stone more porous to magic. That is not a thing that anyone not a runesmith knew which is why Thorek looked pained all conversation.

As a rule of thumb if you have to pry something out of a runelord one syllable at a time the colleges of magic did not know about it. Hell before just now no wizard not named Mathilde or Panoramia even knew there was a dwarf Waystone network that was separate from the elven one... or a kislevite one.
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Yes anvils of Doom are a military secret.... Lighting runes on stone definitely aren't. Even just visiting one of the old holds would tell you that stone anti magic bias has not stopped the dawi from putting runes on it. Actually we knew they had a network, we found out about it. We also had a suspicion about Kislev but their not a elder race so it doesn't really matter.
And Thorek looked pained about basic knowledge. The whole situation goes against anything a runesmiths learns. It's airing guild business outside of guildhalls. It would probably pain him to talk about his favourite chisel if he used it for runes...
 
Boney said:
You'd probably need at least a working prototype to convince someone from Cathay that the four thousand mile journey to the Empire is worth the trip.
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Two thoughts on this.
First is that assuming our supreme patriarch is maintaining some degree of contact with Cathay he will probably want sending some newly built Waystones over to his adopted family to be a stretch goal for the Project.
Second is that if the idea of enchanting our gyrocarriage with unlimited fuel works out that 4,000 mile trip might not be so arduous for a sufficiently small group.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Nah. Journey to the West had a Five-Man Band, I'm guessing Boney means significantly more "all of the animals" than that.
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I'm aware Journey to the West has a limited cast. I'm talking about befriending people that you beat up and having them come along with you. I'm pretty sure most of the companions were initially antagonists. You could argue that's the premise of almost every Shonen series ever, but Journey to the West predates them and is somewhat more relevant.
 
List of Secret Things the Colleges Did Not Know in that One Conversation​

  1. Scythians made Waystones the barrows of the dead (there may be one guy with obscure steppe lore who knows that but it is not general knowledge)
  2. The Old Ones were a thing and they made a network that was before the network (per canon their existence is mostly dismissed as the ravings of madmen in the Empire)
  3. Where does the power flow, including way too many threads going through Athel Loren. This is militarily actionable since we now know if a bunch of Wood elves come out of the wood saying they need help against Morghur or the world dies they are probably telling the unvarnished truth
  4. The Kislevites have their own network, which they hacked from the elves, who are upset about it, every part of that has political implication
  5. Dwarfs have their own network which they use for dwarf things, this was a cecret that we previously kept from mages on the expedition
  6. Dwarfs can make stone magically transparent, which is a lot more relevant than the fact that they can make light runes
  7. A rough outline of how Waystones work, including the fact that Dhar can be made to flow in predictable long term patterns
 
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DragonParadox said:
This feels like a bit of a reach, 'they' did not force us to operate under imperial authority since Mathilde is a LM involved in delicate international diplomacy, even if there are interests that would want the Project under imperial authority they would have to balance that against the notion that we simply would refuse to do it there as well as being unable to make use of non-imperial mages like the witches or even the Eonir. If this were in Aldorf we would not technically even be able to bring the Grey Lords in, you know assuming they would want to leave their nice safe realm for the stinky human city.
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Legally speaking, would Mathilde be able to refuse direct order from Emperor or Dragomas regarding the Poject?

My point is that Colleges are acting completely uninterested for something people claim to be important for them. All Imperial mages we got is a result of favor trading and side-quest. Nobody approached Mathilde and said something like "Hey, we heard you are assembling a research team for Waystones, we want in, just in case you stumbled upon something important!".

Sure, Mathilde got a lot of leeway for hiring researchers and running Project as she wants, but it is expected for a Grey LM acting outside of Empire.
 
K von Carstein said:
That was literally the first action we did on the WP, we're not going to get everyone's juicy secrets after just a few days of conversations.The people working for the Manhattan Project didn't make a functional nuclear bomb after the first afternoon of work.
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Oh i absolutely agree. My argument is against those people who say that we won't have any political trouble because our project is so important. It might be important but most probably see it as a fancy right now. A great goal with nothing behind it yet. So no one will put their neck on the line for us yet. People keep saying that we got secrets of the elder races, when the biggest secret we got is that it's only doable by using dhar and we will be using a lot of dhar.
 
Angelform said:
Two thoughts on this.
First is that assuming our supreme patriarch is maintaining some degree of contact with Cathay he will probably want sending some newly built Waystones over to his adopted family to be a stretch goal for the Project.
Second is that if the idea of enchanting our gyrocarriage with unlimited fuel works out that 4,000 mile trip might not be so arduous for a sufficiently small group.
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You'd need multiple pilots, flying around the clock... and Life magic to allow the passengers to survive flying for two weeks without resupplying
 
I've seen some argue that going to the Emperor is somehow more shady or less legitimate or something, and I'd just like to mention that it's not. Going to the Emperor and getting a dispensation from him is every bit as proper and legitimate as going through the College channels, one just bypasses the usual authority and so can annoy it. But it's not wrong or something that would open the dispensation to more questioning, and so, considering the usual authority is Dragomas who doesn't care much for it, I think reducing the spread of information even a little is worth it just on the general principles.
 
Codex said:
I'm aware Journey to the West has a limited cast. I'm talking about befriending people that you beat up and having them come along with you. I'm pretty sure most of the companions were initially antagonists. You could argue that's the premise of almost every Shonen series ever, but Journey to the West predates them and is somewhat more relevant.
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Ah, I see. I'm not sure Boney was actually going for that sort of befriending, but the comparison does make more sense to me now.
 
TreP said:
Legally speaking, would Mathilde be able to refuse direct order from Emperor or Dragomas regarding the Poject?
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She could just decide 'there is no project, go to hell'. They can force her not do do things easily enough, but you cannot realistically force a LM to put in their full effort into something they do not want to do so it is not general policy to do so
 
DragonParadox said:
That is general knowledge, it's why necromancers and chaos mages seek them out to block.
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Is it? Wait, why do we even have a vote, if it is common knowledge that anything that involves Waystones also involve Dhar?
I thought the general knowledge was about Herdstones and blocking Winds inside to stagnate them into Dhar, not that Dhar producing is the normal working order for Waystones.
 
TreP said:
Is it? Wait, why do we even have a vote, if it is common knowledge that anything that involves Waystones also involve Dhar?
I thought the general knowledge was about Herdstones and blocking Winds inside to stagnate them into Dhar, not that Dhar producing is the normal working order for Waystones.
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The part that is common knowledge is that clogging a waystone produces Dhar, not that a regular functioning waystone also produces Dhar.
 
TreP said:
Is it? Wait, why do we even have a vote, if it is common knowledge that anything that involves Waystones also involve Dhar?
I thought the general knowledge was about Herdstones and blocking Winds inside to stagnate them into Dhar, not that Dhar producing is the normal working order for Waystones.
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Waystones can be used to create
and
Waystones work by using
are very different things.
 
TreP said:
Is it? Wait, why do we even have a vote, if it is common knowledge that anything that involves Waystones also involve Dhar?
I thought the general knowledge was about Herdstones and blocking Winds inside to stagnate them into Dhar, not that Dhar producing is the normal working order for Waystones.
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It is common knowledge that if Joe Necromancer blocks a waystone he will get a Dhar fountain, we literally did that (Dhar accumulation and all) when we blocked the Waystone north of Vlag. What was not known before now is that a propery functioning Waystone uses Dhar as well.

Mathilde'd.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
That's...about the distance IRL. I thought you were using double-Earth size Warhammer World?
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One person on a forum somewhere used two maps published ten years apart, one of them from the Tomb Kings Army Book and one from the Warhammer Quest Roleplay Book, and with a lot of guesswork came up with that figure and it's been repeated as holy gospel ever since. I am a dangerous renegade that goes against this ineffable truth by using a canonical map of the Old World that actually has a scale on it instead.
 
Boney said:
One person on a forum somewhere used two maps published ten years apart, one of them from the Tomb Kings Army Book and one from the Warhammer Quest Roleplay Book, and with a lot of guesswork came up with that figure and it's been repeated as holy gospel ever since. I am a dangerous renegade that goes against this ineffable truth by using a canonical map of the Old World that actually has a scale on it instead.
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I could have sworn I remember you posting you were using the double-Earth scale. Oh well, must be the Mandela Effect.
 
IronFist said:
Hmm... how similar is the Ratling Gun's dhar mechanism to the Waystone's dhar mechanism?
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Sort of similar, the ratling gun feed mechanism uses the Dhar released by warpstone detonation to help pull more warpstone bullets in from the storage mechanism, whereas the Waystone uses the fact that either Dhar is attracted to the Aethyr or the Aethyr 'pulls' on Dhar to do the heavy lifting for the Waystone network, and sends other Winds along for the ride by having them in a stable orbit around the Dhar.
 
The trip to the Far East is already stretching Suspension of Disbelief into whether it's worth it to an absolutely ridiculous degree with canonical figures. Making it 8000 miles or something is rubbing salt on the gaping wound of SoD by that point.
 
Boney said:
Sort of similar, the ratling gun feed mechanism uses the Dhar released by warpstone detonation to help pull more warpstone bullets in from the storage mechanism, whereas the Waystone uses the fact that either Dhar is attracted to the Aethyr or the Aethyr 'pulls' on Dhar to do the heavy lifting for the Waystone network, and sends other Winds along for the ride by having them in a stable orbit around the Dhar.
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So it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that a Waystone exploits the attractive properties of Dhar to Vacuum up excess winds and free floating Dhar around it?
 
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