That is a fair point, but is Alaric sneaky enough that we would need something like that? I am kind of dubious. After all the 'lights are bad at sneaking' applies to him as well.
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That is a fair point, but is Alaric sneaky enough that we would need something like that? I am kind of dubious. After all the 'lights are bad at sneaking' applies to him as well.
He's a gazillion years old and has been playing high stakes political games with wizards for longer than Mathilde's been alive. I could see insight into why he's doing whatever he's doing to be pretty dang valuable. I mean, I'm not gonna say he's some kind of mastermind, but it's not like taking him seriously would hurt, given that the opportunity cost of bringing Egrimm along would be pretty small.
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I note this point: There will be an additional action cost to incorporate any new recruits and their information into the framework.
Can be repeated if desired, but will not unlock anything new after the first time, it will just make a new framework incorporating any new recruits.
My general thoughts for a pretty focused 'discharge obligations and get started' plan would be something like:
[ ] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Egrimm) (NEW)
[ ] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (specify who) (Johann)
[ ] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (specify what) - Ideas?
[ ] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
[ ] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Cadaeth and the Ward of Frost)
[ ] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
[ ] Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)?
[ ] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in your fief.
edit: or the Auditors or Eonir Commerce thing.
Coin? On the premise that we could be doing stuff in settlements, maybe
[ ] The Night Prowler
gets an outing, mostly relevant to Alric (and who knows, maybe clue-chasing for Gryphon Wood)?
Re. Alric- it behooves us to remember that while they're not quite as bad as Celestials, the Lights also have tricks up their sleeve that can no-sell and completely negate a lot of our magical concealment tricks
Can be repeated if desired, but will not unlock anything new after the first time, it will just make a new framework incorporating any new recruits.
My general thoughts for a pretty focused 'discharge obligations and get started' plan would be something like:
[ ] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Egrimm) (NEW)
[ ] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (specify who) (Johann)
[ ] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (specify what) - Ideas?
[ ] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
[ ] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Cadaeth and the Ward of Frost)
[ ] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
[ ] Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)?
[ ] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in your fief.
edit: or the Auditors or Eonir Commerce thing.
Coin? On the premise that we could be doing stuff in settlements, maybe
[ ] The Night Prowler
gets an outing, mostly relevant to Alric (and who knows, maybe clue-chasing for Gryphon Wood)?
Re. Alric- it behooves us to remember that while they're not quite as bad as Celestials, the Lights also have tricks up their sleeve that can no-sell and completely negate a lot of our magical concealment tricks
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Alright, let's see what we can make of this:
And, uh, a V representing a cup and a lake might fit The Lady. God forgive me, but I think this theory shot up in likelihood, especially now that Haleth's is likely to just be an aspect of Halétha
All in all as far as probabilities go I would call this a blow against Haleth and Hekarti, a slight boost to Halétha, a large boost to The Lady and a moderate decrease to anything else, since nothing we learned seems to indicate any previously undiscussed Goddess. Oh, there's one more thing?
Not much new here. More emphasis on Halétha's protection aspect, with the possible Ranald connection being rather obvious, but we already knew that.
This seems like pretty strong evidence against Haleth being Halétha's sister. The fertility Goddess seems likely to just be an aspect of Halétha, while the hunting Goddess doesn't have any obvious connection to either parent. So if Halétha is a daughter - which still seems likely - we've still got one more to find.
Hmm. A yonic symbol could fit Halétha, due to the fertility connection. So either a V or a chevron. Maybe chevron for a tree as well, since she is connected to a forest.
And, uh, a V representing a cup and a lake might fit The Lady. God forgive me, but I think this theory shot up in likelihood, especially now that Haleth's is likely to just be an aspect of Halétha
This seems like a pretty strong blow against the Hekarti theory. I never thought it was likely, and it seems less likely than ever before.
All in all as far as probabilities go I would call this a blow against Haleth and Hekarti, a slight boost to Halétha, a large boost to The Lady and a moderate decrease to anything else, since nothing we learned seems to indicate any previously undiscussed Goddess. Oh, there's one more thing?
Ok, that's pretty much a nothingburger, so...wait. Wait.
no
please
oh god
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Fayhem
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Either *dedicating or *being dedicated.
There are multiple ways for someone to help investigate, and not all of them necessitate sneaking around in the shadows with us. For instance, having someone present who is intimately familiar with Alric's operational methods and habits of thought could be enormously helpful in guiding us for where we should be looking, interpreting preliminary info to determine what's worth following up on, etc.
I like this list. For the coin, I'd say either Gambler on Windherder, or if we want to take a swing on Haletha maybe being related to Ranald put it on the Father. But I'd probably go with Gambler since I'd like to at least meet some followers of Haletha before devoting the coin for a turn.
Oh, I don't care much for the EIC action tho tbh. A shadow headquarters should be hard to find but easy to get to, not the other way around. So setting it up in the Sunken Palace would be better if we wanted to set one up. I also don't see an actual need for a shadow headquarters at this time, unless I've really missed something.
I'd prefer either
[ ] EIC: Found an auditors division, to make sure the ledgers are in order.
or maybe
[ ] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
The latter for obvious reasons, and the former because if there's ever anything hinky happening with the EIC's books I would like to know about it BEFORE the Bursar of the Grey College takes an interest.
I mean if this is true, and personally I do not think it is, then it is basically a dead end anyway. We are not planning to bake the waystones into pies and eat them and they are rather large to pick out of someone's pockets.
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Neat, maybe Egrimm-Wolf bonding time (as he relays comms)!
I'm sure there are zero untoward risks associated with entrusting an embodied link direct in to our soul to good Lord Magister van Horstmann.
These are fair observations.
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Hyacinth is a Goddess of Fertility and Motherhood and Groplotta is a Goddess of Herbalism and Gardening/Horticulture. Esmeralda is the Pie Goddess who's about Home, Hearth and Cooking.
Thanks for the clarification, I was just going off general halfling things because I am not expecting the individual domains of halfling goddesses to be relevant to this quest at this point.
Huh. When did it get a fifth face?
Cython? We have a project that's practically certain to get divine attention and where we'll be comparing earliest lore of different cultures.
Not to mention that it would also allow us to land a dragon on any future trouble.
We have nothing to bribe him with since we gave up the god lore.
Elven library?
Alternatively, he might decide to join for the whole "world not getting rekt" part.
- Unfortunately I do not think that would work, if he wanted to go visit the elf library he could ask the elves about it, they do not have any prejudices against dragons
- He was not even willing to help against a Waagh on his doorstep on the basis of general safety. He is a dragon by his lights he does not need our help to stay safe
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If Cython is going to continue exploring divinities, then they should be exploring different pantheons and their domains.
They've even expressed interest in the Halfling gods before as they are a pantheon they did not have access to.
IMO the Halfling Pantheon is quite interesting. It's small and quite different from the usual pantheons, with a bit of a hyperfocus. Halflings also tend to have a far more irreverant nature in their worship as opposed to the other races who place a great deal of solemnity to their prayers. Here's the list of their gods:
They have a God of Building, one for Smoking, one for Ancestry, one for Farming. Then they have a Goddess for Cooking, one for Fertility, and one for Nature.
In contrast, the Ogres also have Gods for Eating and Eating with lava. Their worship is heavily tied to physical, tangible things that they can see and interact with and affect them mentally, spiritually and physically. They even have beliefs about climbing mountains and eating their "Heart" as a psuedo religous ritual to gain the Big Name "Mountain Eater", and considering some of these mountains move around, I'd be inclined to consider them divine entities as well.
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No alternative divine av options unlocked unrelated to the magical signatures business?
No. The Gods already have ways for people to wield their power. Trying to sidestep those ways and create one completely out of their control would be an extremely efficient way to make an enemy of almost every organization on the continent.
SuperSonicSound
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Wasn't there discussion of trying to use av to supercharge the coin? ah well, ill take that to mean AV is permanently dead for divine usage then.
There was speculation, but in general trying to pour more magic into a spell to make it stronger is like trying to shove twice as much electricity into your computer in the hopes that it will run faster.
It should be noted that Mathilde and Cython care about the nature of gods for different reasons. For him it is a puzzle, a mystery he is hunting, for her it is a way to advance other aims. We want to know if Loec is Ranald for instance because it would tell us if we have elf friends to tap in his cult, for things like training and espionage help. We want to know what is up with the lady because her sorcery is... odd and we might learn something from it. Hallflings have no secret lore, they do not even have spellcasting priests. They are fundamentally not relevant to our interests and this is not just me projecting I do not think, look at how long it took us to talk to the head halfling in K8P, literally years to spend a social action.
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A reminder that canon is pretty contradictory when it comes to Halflings due to different ideas over how seriously they should take them or if they should keep treating them as a joke. Boney's world is more consistent and less likely to have them be the Hobbit joke they are in canon, and part of that is having to put his fingers on the scale on the topic of Halflings and Magic:
They don't produce them often, but Halflings do have spellcasters.
I'm not saying that they'll likely have some sort of secret Waystone lore, but the Halflings are far more interesting than just a pie joke. I understand you were making a joke, but it felt pretty reductive to a group of people who have proven absolutely vital to Karak Eight Peaks.
"It wasn't that they didn't take an interest in the world around them. On the contrary, they had a deep, personal and passionate involvement in it, but instead of asking, 'Why are we here?' they asked, 'Is it going to rain before the harvest?' A philosopher might have deplored this lack of mental ambition, but only if he was really certain about where his next meal was coming from."
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Personally, I'm tempted to go with the Father face and talk to Empress Heidi, but using gambler on personally examine a waystone may be a better idea.