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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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dinomannitro6 said:
"Oh, you like Divided Loyalties? Name every character."
Codex:
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Actualluy!!!!
Codex said:
Innkeeper: A harried innkeeper in Wurtbad who offered Mathilde an outbuilding to use as a residence, not knowing it held the Sunken Palace, as long as the Watch would ignore the Still she kept. Mathilde befriended her and she was delighted to offer her support and information as long as Mathilde saved her from liquor excises and supported her against people wanting protection money.
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You must train for another hundred years. Seriously though, incredible dedication to getting everyone possible.
Codex said:
We rolled a Nat 100 for him, so in the arena of books he is influential.
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He's like the book godfather.
 
Alratan said:
Realms of Sorcery has a history of the world as told, IIRC, by Teclis to the Colleges of Magic.
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Nothing about the bit in Realms of Sorcery suggests to me that it had anything to do with Teclis. It does not sound like him.

And the bit on page 17 that's explicitly from a lecture Teclis gave about the origin of the world doesn't mention the Old Ones whatsoever and deals entirely in metaphysical concepts.
 
Codex said:
I have a question for those who read my informational posts. Do you guys prefer more descriptive blurbs like the one I did with the Divine Casters or the shorter ones that I did with the College Rolodex? On the one hand one takes more effort than the other, but it contains far more information. The other allows for quick skimming though. I'm torn on the subject and want to decide before I take on the task of making dozens of profiles.
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I like the longer summaries, it lets me search for their name in your posts to get me caught up. I've been impressed by how well you keep everything in context.

Codex said:
Don't ask how I did this. I went into a fugue and when I woke up I was done. Take your time reading this, it's 12k words. I'm tired so I'll fix any mistakes later. Anyway, take this, a list of DL characters (that aren't included in the College Rolodex).
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Um. Wow. That is a BEAST of an infopost. Thank you!
 
So I'm consulting Imperial Timelines, which is certianly a chore as I cross reference the 8th edition Empire Army Book and Heirs of Sigmar to look for things that each one omit or add or for any inconsistencies and cross reference with DL, and I noted something. 8th Edition army book states that in 2453 a Tomb King army under the control of Arkhan the Black assaults the walls of Altdorf and is rebuffed, which served as a distraction for Arkhan to sneak in the Grand Cathedral of Sigmar so he could steal the Liber Mortis.

There was a relatively recent Tomb King invasion mentioned in DL, the one that Lady Magister Mira participated in and got her promoted from Journeywoman to Magister. There's a possibility that that event did happen in DL, and Arkhan has a copy of the Liber Mortis. I kind of don't get why he wants it though, his master is Nagash, and the Liber Mortis is derived from Nagash's work so it's not like it'll give much of a boost when he's got the Big Man himself. The book isn't even mystical like the Nine Books of Nagash, so I don't see why he would want it.

EDIT: After writing this post, I realised another possibility. He might have stolen the book so no one could cast the Spell of Unmaking that destroyed Mannfred's army on Nagash's own host of undead.
 
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Codex said:
So I'm consulting Imperial Timelines, which is certianly a chore as I cross reference the 8th edition Empire Army Book and Heirs of Sigmar to look for things that each one omit or add or for any inconsistencies and cross reference with DL, and I noted something. 8th Edition army book states that in 2453 a Tomb King army under the control of Arkhan the Black assaults the walls of Altdorf and is rebuffed, which served as a distraction for Arkhan to sneak in the Grand Cathedral of Sigmar so he could steal the Liber Mortis.

There was a relatively recent Tomb King invasion mentioned in DL, the one that Lady Magister Mira participated in and got her promoted from Journeywoman to Magister. There's a possibility that that event did happen in DL, and Arkhan has a copy of the Liber Mortis. I kind of don't get why he wants it though, his master is Nagash, and the Liber Mortis is derived from Nagash's work so it's not like it'll give much of a boost when he's got the Big Man himself. The book isn't even mystical like the Nine Books of Nagash, so I don't see why he would want it.

EDIT: After writing this post, I realised another possibility. He might have stolen the book so no one could cast the Spell of Unmaking that destroyed Mannfred's army on Nagash's own host of undead.
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Parts of canon think that the Liber Mortis is one of the Nine Books of Nagash.
 
Codex said:
So I'm consulting Imperial Timelines, which is certianly a chore as I cross reference the 8th edition Empire Army Book and Heirs of Sigmar to look for things that each one omit or add or for any inconsistencies and cross reference with DL, and I noted something. 8th Edition army book states that in 2453 a Tomb King army under the control of Arkhan the Black assaults the walls of Altdorf and is rebuffed, which served as a distraction for Arkhan to sneak in the Grand Cathedral of Sigmar so he could steal the Liber Mortis.

There was a relatively recent Tomb King invasion mentioned in DL, the one that Lady Magister Mira participated in and got her promoted from Journeywoman to Magister. There's a possibility that that event did happen in DL, and Arkhan has a copy of the Liber Mortis. I kind of don't get why he wants it though, his master is Nagash, and the Liber Mortis is derived from Nagash's work so it's not like it'll give much of a boost when he's got the Big Man himself. The book isn't even mystical like the Nine Books of Nagash, so I don't see why he would want it.

EDIT: After writing this post, I realised another possibility. He might have stolen the book so no one could cast the Spell of Unmaking that destroyed Mannfred's army on Nagash's own host of undead.
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He could also want to deny it to his rivals, or the empire. If the book is gone, the empire won't have access to the second secret in case of emergency
 
IronFist said:
He could also want to deny it to his rivals, or the empire. If the book is gone, the empire won't have access to the second secret in case of emergency
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Check the edit. I realised after I wrote the post that that was a possibility. Should have spent more time thinking about it.
Boney said:
Parts of canon think that the Liber Mortis is one of the Nine Books of Nagash.
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Having torn through lots of information in the process of understanding the WHF setting, I realise how much editing you have to do so your story is consistent. There's a lot to go through and distil into relevant information.

A fun example is Hisme Stoutheart of the Moot. In nearly every time they are mentioned, either their name is mentioned with no pronouns or he/him is used. But Heirs of Sigmar, which is perhaps the most comprehensive look at the Empire worldbuilding wise, uses she/her and refers to her as a woman. The obvious answer to this is that they made a mistake and Hisme is a man who uses he/him pronouns. My personal headcanon is that Hisme's genderfluid.
 
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Codex said:
A fun example is Hisme Stoutheart of the Moot. In nearly every time they are mentioned, either their name is mentioned with no pronouns or he/him is used. But Heirs of Sigmar, which is perhaps the most comprehensive look at the Empire worldbuilding wise, uses she/her and refers to her as a woman. The obvious answer to this is that they made a mistake and Hisme is a man who uses he/him pronouns. My personal headcanon is that Hisme's genderfluid.
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Funnily enough, this is something that's continued into the newest edition of the RPG.

WFRP 4e: Enemy in Shadows Companion, page 14
Elder Hisme Stoutheart of the Grand County of the Mootland is based in Eicheschatten. Aged 124; he not only represents the Mootland, but also all Halflings in the Empire.
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WFRP 4e: Archives of the Empire, page 34
The current Elector Count, Hisme Stoutheart, has been an exception to this rule: a cosmopolitan, well-travelled figure, who lived in Altdorf most of her life, she has been able to appeal to Halflings across the Empire, in all the clans (see Halfling Clans of the Reikland) She is seen as a unifying and stabilising interest. She is, however, thinking of retiring, as she is now one hundred and fifty-nine years old, and becoming a little forgetful and quite arthritic. She delays year after year because she has yet to find a suitable replacement.
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Adventure hook on the same page:
THE LINE OF SUCCESSION
Hisme is highly aware that everyone around her now works for an aspiring replacement candidate, and thus has nobody she can trust. She is looking for the kind of individuals who don't mind breaking the odd law and have no political ties. She will pay such folk handsomely to send into the Moot to survey the territory, and investigate the candidates for her.
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Boney said:
That would be a fun way to reconcile it. Arkhan wastes a whole bunch of time and effort getting his hands on a book of no use to him because 1300 years earlier Frederick didn't put any effort into coming up with a unique title for his notebook.
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Vlad was the last to write in it, wasn't he? Maybe he's the one who titled it Liber Mortis.

Vlad: Seems Frederick neglected to title his book of recollections. I suppose I shall have to do it. Now... what would be a good title? Ah heck, I can't think of anything at the moment. I'm sure the stench of Frederick's hot ale is blocking my creativity. I'll just call it the Liber Mortis. It's not like Nagash is still around to care, right?
 
Boney said:
That would be a fun way to reconcile it. Arkhan wastes a whole bunch of time and effort getting his hands on a book of no use to him because 1300 years earlier Frederick didn't put any effort into coming up with a unique title for his notebook.
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It's my notebook, why would anybody else need to know what its called? Ancient Nekhara, never been there.
 
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