Mopman43
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Going by the canon timeline, Zacharias is presumably still just Melkhior's apprentice at his tower. Which is also presumed to be a Nexus.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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The Wheel of Magic is older than WFRP 4e. It prominently features as a gameplay mechanic in Storm of Magic and it being "Paranoth's Wheel" dates back to at least The Empire 8th edition. Uniforms & Heraldry of the Empire is what introduced the idea of the Winds being Pokemon-style super-effective against each other according to the wiki. WFRP 4e never said that the Winds have super-effectiveness outside the context where it also says experiments consistently show the idea to be bogus.
You Winds sure are a contentious set of cosmic forces.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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All U&H says about that is "Each lore shares key words of command, rituals or abilities with other lores in close proximity, whilst existing in opposition to the lore that sits on the opposite side of the wheel."
It's a lot more final than Boney's model, but says nothing about superiority, inferiority or effectiveness.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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I believe it was Storm of Magic (or maybe Blood in the Badlands?) that actually said that they were mechanically stronger than the preceding Wind or whatever.
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I stand corrected.
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I imagine Math Wizards still arguing which Wind should be represented by [4 6 4 70 4 6 4] and which by [3 3 56 5 10 10 5].
Maybe there are brettonian hedgefolk, they're just called something different.
They're damsels
They're damsels
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Every time Mathilde thinks she has it figured out it's just Haletha again.
It turns out the real reason Ranald likes Mathilde is that she reminds him of his daughter. They both spend their time collecting titles and hats.
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The tattoos might be intentional, a way to contain their power.
The rest? Branding and marketing. Sell sell sell
Well, there's a mark for flaming hair, one of burning hair, one for fiery hair, etc (shining hair is a Light mark, and they're squabbling over blazing hair).
Plus, they buy all the surplus slayer hair dye.
No. Gambling is too much like work.
Fashion.
Sinsystems
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On that note, with how high profile Mathilde is. I do wonder if she has caused a few Grey Wizard journeymen to try to emulate her.
Also I can't help but imagine one of her former classmates reaching out to her to try and curry some favor based on their old connection or see if she can't help them get a good job.
Xexilf
Oblivion Sempiternum Daemonis
You could spend an essay lining out all the other problems Mallus has that really should be solved to make a better future, even leaving out the nearly impossible ones (Polar Rifts, Chaos Gods, Morrslieb).
Skaven and Orcs constitute two dozen problems each. Nehkhara is another tangle of stuff. Zharr Naggrund could really do with another civil war. Nargarythe hangs of the edge of the much bigger Problem that is Naggaroth. And even leaving full out wars aside, theres beastmen, warpstone corrupted places, dozens of suspicious ruins and things in the empire alone, the entire Lahmian network, figuring out how to perma-death vampires without going into really dark stuff, various problems wizards still face politically, forbidden cults and criminal organizations...
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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I am pretty sure Mathilde burned those bridges by acting very arrogant when she was spymaster of Stirland.
They didn't even answer to our letters.
It would be interesting to meet her peers tough. I wonder what they are doing.
Nicholas
No longer teaching battlethings on a battleship
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I mean, remember way back when Mathilde despaired over Wizard Chic becoming worse after she got knighted for taking down the Stirlandean League? Sure, fashions change, but it'd be pretty funny to see it come around again and suddenly Mathilde is shocked by how many people are trying to cosplay as her.
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The only thing distinctive about Mathilde's appearance as a Grey Wizard is the Witch Hunter's hat, and using one of those as a fashion statement as a wizard takes a special kind of crazy.
Mathilde earned the right to keep that hat by "making an oathstone of her liege" and finishing his campaign.
Anyone else would get a very stern talking to.
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Carrying swords might become surprisingly popular among the next generation of grey wizards though.
Mathilde is the only Grey Lord magister anyone hears about, so that makes her a leading candidate for a role model until the initiates get apprenticed.
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Sinsystems
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I know, I remember that bit. The thing I was imagining is more that one of the less fortunate or down on their luck members remembering that they used to be classmates with Lady Magister Mathilde and not remembering the burnt bridge, then taking a shot in the dark that they can use that connection to get out of their current rut.
Sort of like how a friend whom you haven't seen since High School suddenly calls you and tries to use the old connection to get you to help them get a job or convince you to invest in something.
I was thinking of the sword, but also in how Mathilde operates. Unlike most Grey Wizards we are a pretty well known figure, relatively speaking, and have a bunch of flashy stories attributed to us.
At the very least we've opened the door to the idea of a Grey Wizard journeyman going to the Dwarves in search of a job.
I'm sure Mathilde always has a job opening for a "Fuck Marienburg" guy. It's well known how she's constantly plotting their downfall, so some support there would surely be appreciated.
Of course, the current way of fucking Marienburg might still involve being a waystone grunt, but at least you know you're working for a higher cause. And you get to figure out how waystones will help fuck Marienburg.
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Abby Normal
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Another minor thing from my rereading:
I suppose alternatively, "Do those matters just stay delegated beneath reicthard?" and instead its the... Porter equivalent? And/or perhaps the dean and/or battle wizard organizers? Who would be handling the requests to be told of which brights have unwanted doggos chasing them?
Also, not directly from the reread, but thinking about apparitions and the AV reveal also has me thinking about how at least one section of the lessons on training apprentices that mathilde took is likely to change soon:
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What does (or rather, did, i assume he would ask after this when the colleges are all discussing apparition collecting and bleeding logistics) Reicthard think the golds are doing with the dark hounds? I suppose its a similar question to "so what did the colleges think mathilde was up to when she asked about a rider in red":
But i feel like maybe you'd have more questions if it was a regular thing that keeps happening, rather than a (so far) one off. Especially since a one off could be "i want practice killing apparitions, either myself or for my apprentice", theoretically.
I suppose alternatively, "Do those matters just stay delegated beneath reicthard?" and instead its the... Porter equivalent? And/or perhaps the dean and/or battle wizard organizers? Who would be handling the requests to be told of which brights have unwanted doggos chasing them?
Also, not directly from the reread, but thinking about apparitions and the AV reveal also has me thinking about how at least one section of the lessons on training apprentices that mathilde took is likely to change soon:
...I suppose now its maybe "whether they should be swiftly captured for bleeding by the master, or if the apprentice should be told to do the capturing as a lesson with the master only stepping in if the apparition might escape or die outside of the proper collection chamber
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What does (or rather, did, i assume he would ask after this when the colleges are all discussing apparition collecting and bleeding logistics) Reicthard think the golds are doing with the dark hounds? I suppose its a similar question to "so what did the colleges think mathilde was up to when she asked about a rider in red":
But i feel like maybe you'd have more questions if it was a regular thing that keeps happening, rather than a (so far) one off. Especially since a one off could be "i want practice killing apparitions, either myself or for my apprentice", theoretically.
I suppose alternatively, "Do those matters just stay delegated beneath reicthard?" and instead its the... Porter equivalent? And/or perhaps the dean and/or battle wizard organizers? Who would be handling the requests to be told of which brights have unwanted doggos chasing them?
Also, not directly from the reread, but thinking about apparitions and the AV reveal also has me thinking about how at least one section of the lessons on training apprentices that mathilde took is likely to change soon:
...I suppose now its maybe "whether they should be swiftly captured for bleeding by the master, or if the apprentice should be told to do the capturing as a lesson with the master only stepping in if the apparition might escape or die outside of the proper collection chamber
To the first point when Gehenna was teaching us about the binding she mentioned that the question is regularly asked. Between the dark hounds and the fact that she was open about the Amber's and Jade's being strongly suspected of doing the same I think it's more open secret.
Being a wizard is constantly hinting you know more than you do, it's a touchy subject that it seems all colleges at least have an idea about. Odds are it wasn't Mathilde asking so much as "The Grey Order would like to know the next Rider in Red appearance" It could be taken any number of ways and those in the know would have a quiet word with those who needed it. She also makes a point of mentioned the colleges are organized like the University of Altdorf (the bursar meeting), which means there's probably an entire department of assistants constantly dropping off notes for each patriarch/matriarch with "Hey I did this, thought you should know here's why" and like the dean of a school getting a new science building, they smile and wave.
Smile and wave boys, don't let everyone know we are making this up as we go, don't mention the deamons they get jumpy about it. Dear god don't do that, I would rather not live through another siege.
To the second point on apparition training. Much like Mathilde learning about the waystones and henge's, I think she is going to have the "Oh that why I wasn't told earlier." During binding the Rider In Red it was remarked how strange it was and how she had to move it around in her soul.
Journeymen and women die already with frequency. That's with the regular stuff of magic, can you imagine one who was told as an apprentice that binding powerful apparitions was an option? That's how you get possessed, even a wizard lord was taken by surprise just because it isn't something you can practice. "In theory the will of a wizard lord is more powerful than the lowest grade of apparation". It's a do or die moment and for something like that chances lean on the die side.