Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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MrRobot said:
Something funny about Freddy's reputation is that he is nore popular amongst the elder races, specifically dwarfs and wood elves.
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Dwarfs: "Cursed be the cowardly and traitorous Umgi! Breaking their word and ignoring promises made!"

Eonir/Asur: "Cursed be the foolish and traiterous humans! Breaking their word and ignoring promises made!"

Humans among themselves: "See who can stab their extended family in the back the most?"

"You're on!"

Tzeentch: "I honestly don't know how I could ever live without you."

Frederick: "You're either with me or out of my way, because gods save you if you are in my way."

It's more that they appreciate that the human tradition of going back on their word and being generally unreliable to the extreme seems to have at least taken a break for a few decades.
 
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Czes said:
Dwarfs: "Cursed be the cowardly and traitorous Umgi! Breaking their word and ignoring promises made!"

Eonir/Asur: "Cursed be the foolish and traiterous humans! Breaking their word and ignoring promises made!"

Humans among themselves: "See who can stab their extended family in the back the most?"
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IIRC, in canon Warhammer materials, both Dawi and Asur politics can get quite bad as well. At least, that is what @Mayto told me, who is much more of an expert on them than I.
 
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By the way, guys.

How do we feel about conscripting the citizens behind us?

When would be a good time to do so?

I may be mistaken, but I don't believe we've done so already (discounting the citizen militias).
 
Everybody can get a little screwed up. It's Warhammer, it's to be expected. Nobody is safe from having internal friction. Not even the Lizardmen, when opposing Slaan feel that one or the other has gone astray from The Plan and they argue about it. Sometimes with words, sometimes likely by throwing some of the lesser Lizardmen at one another. Heck, in lore, one time a Slann was such a dick about winning an argument that the rest of the Communion collectively went 'fuck that guy' and he got to sit and be smug on a mountain without any of them talking to him for many, many years.
 
Lerac said:
IIRC, in canon Warhammer materials, both Dawi and Asur politics can get quite bad as well. At least, that is what @Mayto told me, who is much more of an expert on them than I.
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Asur do assassinations in some cities, mostly Lothern. The Dawi can have violent bloody grudges with each other. Zhufbar and Karak Kadrin nearly waged a war over mining rights once. Both races are just really good at hiding that stuff from the Humans. They don't tell of the slayer whose axe got corrupted by daemonic blood and turned the slayer into 'The Kinslayer.' while the Asur won't mention the Blood of Aenarion that became a feared daemonologist.

I don't think it is unintentional that we only really see the darkest side of each race when the novels are from their perspective. They just don't mention those things to the humans.

I think if human scholars learned of the true extent of the Sundering and the Asur/Druchii conflict, they would go. "You think we are prone to infighting!? Have you seen your own history!"
 
Mayto said:
Asur do assassinations in some cities, mostly Lothern. The Dawi can have violent bloody grudges with each other. Zhufbar and Karak Kadrin nearly waged a war over mining rights once. Both races are just really good at hiding that stuff from the Humans. They don't tell of the slayer whose axe got corrupted by daemonic blood and turned the slayer into 'The Kinslayer.' while the Asur won't mention the Blood of Aenarion that became a feared daemonologist.

I don't think it is unintentional that we only really see the darkest side of each race when the novels are from their perspective. They just don't mention those things to the humans.

I think if human scholars learned of the true extent of the Sundering and the Asur/Druchii conflict, they would go. "You think we are prone to infighting!? Have you seen your own history!"
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In the end the human religion devoted to murder is inherited from the elves.
 
Czes said:
It's more that they appreciate that the human tradition of going back on their word and being generally unreliable to the extreme seems to have at least taken a break for a few decades.
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Is more like, freddy on the dawi is aknolodge for all the shit on mountain vietnam, wich include but is not limited to, helping reclaim the hold, saving the high king and the throne of power more than one time, giving the cult of gazul a line to their ancestor, recovering an ancestor weapon, he is also credited to be one of the minds behind the human machines that while shoddy and unreliable can be useful until the dawi figure how to do it better, also he his the sole reason why bugman is not a dying brew.

The Eonir have him as the guy that unilaterally trusted them in their time of need, 3 times and saved them from oblivion 3 times.

The Arasai are like : That guy just out fought 2 divine avatars and saved the queen live, drunk the magical wine and peaced out on a doomfire dragon ... We don't know what the fuck he really is but daam that was impresive.
 
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Mmm, dunno. The Asur would undoubtedly be able to argue their way into having the Asur/Druchii conflict as being a stupendously more moral issue given the proclivity of half that group to be the 'Shield of the World' and all that, with the other being the constant ravaging pillagers/slavers who regularly make deals and compacts with Chaos. The potential for Grudges between dwarfs to explode into major issue is also probably more expected, especially when one is given examples of 'that time the humans shortchanged us by a handful of pennies so we blew the castle up' and 'that mountain killed 10,000 of us with its landslide so now we have a Grudge on it' and so on. Plus, you do have examples like Asarnil getting banished despite technically winning, combatting pride, the horrible way that Eldyra was treated by the Court despite her heroic father having just died, and so on.

Both aren't human, and can't necessarily be judged comprehensively by human standards. Especially given the fact that, frankly, their respective lifespans and especially the emotional spikes and turmoil potential of the elves, some things can't be squared solely into a human box.

Plus, in the case of Frederick, he's actually considerably more educated than a lot of people in the Old World scholars and otherwise because his main language teacher for Eltharin is literally a bard in almost every since of the word and context given by modern bards-in-fantasy interpretations. It's why he was able to pull out the 'hey you're acting like a real dick. You know, like this specific Phoenix King' references and what not in the past. He knows all about the Sundering and its reasons, and frankly hates Malekith a lot on principle, let alone with what the Druchii have done to the world since.
 
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MrRobot said:
Is more like, freddy on the dawi is aknolodge for all the shit on mountain vietnam, wich include but is not limited to, helping reclaim the hold, saving the high king and the throne of power more than one time, giving the cult of gazul a line to their ancestor, recovering an ancestor weapon, he is also credited to be one of the minds behind the human machines that while shoddy and unreliable can be useful until the dawi figure how to do it better, also he his the sole reason why bugman is not a dying brew.

The Eonir have him as the guy that unilaterally trusted them in their time of need, 3 times and saved them from oblivion 3 times.

The Arasai are like : That guy just out fought 2 divine avatars and saved the queen live, drunk the magical wine and peaced out on a doomfire dragon ... We don't know what the fuck he really are but daam that wass but daam that was impresive.
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And the Asur are still confused that we keep turning down rewards from the Everqueen.
 
Say, what was the winning plan from the last vote anyway? I tried to do a tally from the threadmark on and it keeps coming up with a tie between Like Cordwood, Stack Terror and Unleash the Martyrs, and Stand at the Gates!. I'm probably picked up some stray vote that got cast after the vote was closed, but at this point it's just faster to ask than to keep trying to figure it out.
 
Briefvoice said:
Say, what was the winning plan from the last vote anyway? I tried to do a tally from the threadmark on and it keeps coming up with a tie between Like Cordwood, Stack Terror and Unleash the Martyrs, and Stand at the Gates!. I'm probably picked up some stray vote that got cast after the vote was closed, but at this point it's just faster to ask than to keep trying to figure it out.
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stack terror won.
 
Manann had blessed this battle, as had Ulric, for it was a razor cold wind that blew southwards practically pinning the Druchii ships to the shore that they had all landed at. That same wind, even now, blew at the backs of the Druchii as they were pushed back, back, back again.
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The High Spellweaver of all Laurelorn slammed her staff down thrice, and as the ships continued to advance, a number of other Spellweavers could be seen similarly placed amongst a number of the ships. Those able to perceive the Winds of Magic could see the sheer swell they had placed within the sails of the human ships, the more physical wind practically launching the ships forward as if each had been shot out of a ballista.
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I genuinely can't tell if it's luck/divine will or magic that caused the wind that pushed the Druuchi ships against the coast.

On paper it looks like the Eonir's Magic but there are subtle hints suggesting otherwise.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
I genuinely can't tell if it's luck/divine will or magic that caused the wind that pushed the Druuchi ships against the coast.

On paper it looks like the Eonir's Magic but there are subtle hints suggesting otherwise.
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I took it as both, that is why it was so effective. And since the rest of the battle was already executed pretty well, divine will just focused on making sure the battle ended up as decisive as possible.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
I don't know about nigh-irreplaceable. Extremely valuable and expensive maybe, but they manage to produce enough to be threatening to Ulthuan while having dozens of eggs left over to hand out as temporary power ups.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Druchii are quite comfortable using every method at their disposal to force their slave dragons to make more slave dragons for them as opposed to the caledorians that have to put up with dragons that mostly just sleep all the time. Definitely still a costly investment up in smoke though, I doubt a dragon gets to combat size quickly even with whatever alchemical and magical nonsense the Druchii have to accelerate that, and *that* dragon was remarkably well trained.
 
MrRobot said:
The Arasai are like : That guy just out fought 2 divine avatars and saved the queen live, drunk the magical wine and peaced out on a doomfire dragon ... We don't know what the fuck he really is but daam that was impresive.
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He helped get Orion down and that was when he was not at his best. The Twins are the ones who put down the Elf who was mainlining Anath Raema after the Avatars managed to kill their dragon buddy.

Still really impressive accomplishment he was a part of.
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
I don't know about nigh-irreplaceable. Extremely valuable and expensive maybe, but they manage to produce enough to be threatening to Ulthuan while having dozens of eggs left over to hand out as temporary power ups.
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I figured that even if they are technically replaceable, having very low successful reproduction rates plus taking centuries to reach the size and power of the dragons that got killed here was close enough that they counted. Regardless, it's not a loss they can replace just by throwing money, elfs, and slaves at it.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
I don't know about nigh-irreplaceable. Extremely valuable and expensive maybe, but they manage to produce enough to be threatening to Ulthuan while having dozens of eggs left over to hand out as temporary power ups.
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It would probably depend a lot on the hatched egg to full grown black dragon ratio, and even then you would have to account for at least one of the lost ones being a mount of legendary dragonrider. I wouldn't call it completely irreplaceable either, but there is probably a hard limit on how fast can they slot new one into production.
 
Stewart9 said:
He helped get Orion down and that was when he was not at his best. The Twins are the ones who put down the Elf who was mainlining Anath Raema after the Avatars managed to kill their dragon buddy.

Still really impressive accomplishment he was a part of.
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Sure, the Twins were doing a real number on her, but you seem to be forgetting him throwing a magical spear that hated him through her heart.
 
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