No hard feelings @TehChron
, I'll be happy to admit I was wrong if I was, and I can admit the idea of blasting gaping chunks into arrogant Druuchi ranks is an exceedingly enticing image.
Druichii quest is not having a good time, since they just recently lost a foothold in Albion and then getting kicked from the Asur lands.

The inner politics is going to be something, for sure.
At least they have the consolation prize of having Malekith back…though it's probably worn off by now after all these years.
 
Like, I'm running scenarios in my head, and if the dice are horrible and we're forced out of the walls, then the prudent, yet horrible move would be to flee into the city and take the fight there (Waldermar has a castle right?) Turn the battle from D-Druchii Day to Dark Elf Stalingrad.
That's why I was constantly talking about thresholds and stuff, yeah. So long as we reduce their numbers enough then losing the wall ceases to be catastrophic and instead becomes just fucking awful for us.

@torroar Now that the votes over, I just want to confirm something.

Given the status of the 5th walls defense, the cavalry shouldn't have had the opportunity for a proper charge, right? So they're mostly fresh right now?
 
We're giving a black ark a better fight than anyone else has in who knows how long. Not to mention we'll have the two of them on the same side of a fight since before the war of the beard (so far as I know). Without listing out past accomplishments, I think we'll be ok.

The aftermath will be interesting though.

About 2 decades. The Everqueen and an escorting fleet fought and sunk a Black Arc roughly twenty years ago. Tyrion had Eldyra duel the commanding Dreadlord during the battle.
 
Does anyone have any objections to telling the Dark Elves we're sorry, we cannot accept their surrender at this time? We'd love to, but we lack the facilities to take them all prisoner.
 
Not gonna lie, right about now, I'm just wondering when the Navy, the Manaanites, Long Drong, etc are gonna swing around and hit the Black Arks/provide naval support.

Remember our whole strategy of letting the Arks crash on the walls to preserve our fleet and allow them to attack at their leisure? Yeah... now would be a really good time to have Greatship support, especially as the Druchii Fliers and Artillery are out.
With the fog of war there's no way to tell how the naval assets are doing. We'll just have to wait and see. Or wildly speculate. Or roll a die and make assumptions from that.

Edit: they're not doing well, but it's probably not bad on the tier of "the Druchi had a 4th dragon and all those ships are gone now".
Ashmaker threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: State of Naval Forces Total: 24
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With the fog of war there's no way to tell how the naval assets are doing. We'll just have to wait and see. Or wildly speculate. Or roll a die and make assumptions from that.

Edit: they're not doing well, but it's probably not bad on the tier of "the Druchi had a 4th dragon and all those ships are gone now".
Well we pretended we didn't see that.
 
Eh, it takes time for the navy to reach. Our job is to slug it out till then.

At least their screening element went to Nordland, so they're pretty much on their own.

Granted, it's possible their screening fleet met our reinforcing fleet and are duking it out on the seas.

Honestly, despite the absolutely crappy state Salkentan is in and how much stuff we lost. On a strategic whole, this is actually in our favor so far.
 
The weight of fire from our initial defenses legit were down the esoteric protections the Arks had active. Theres legit odds that the naval assets can get into position to start bombarding the Arks from behind, the issue is that they're so deep into the city that it might be beyond their effective battery range
 
If Torroar had said that our cavalry had actually been completely fucked and none of us noticed, idk whether I'd be laughing or crying lmfao
I figured he wouldnt let us know until the vote closed after my question about the Titan cannons went unanswered tbh. But based on the layout for the fighting up to this point, I was pretty confident that our cavalry wouldnt have made their move quite yet.

Like, with enough speed behind them a cavalry charge is basically just a heavily armed stampede. That leaves a pretty noticeable trail.
 
Not gonna lie, right about now, I'm just wondering when the Navy, the Manaanites, Long Drong, etc are gonna swing around and hit the Black Arks/provide naval support.

Remember our whole strategy of letting the Arks crash on the walls to preserve our fleet and allow them to attack at their leisure? Yeah... now would be a really good time to have Greatship support, especially as the Druchii Fliers and Artillery are out.

Like, I'm running scenarios in my head, and if the dice are horrible and we're forced out of the walls, then the prudent, yet horrible move would be to flee into the city and take the fight there (Waldermar has a castle right?) Turn the battle from D-Druchii Day to Dark Elf Stalingrad.
I think I remember we sent our fleet to help Nordlands against the dark elf fleets who were escorting the Black arks while we dealt with the Arks , our navy along with that of Nordlands are fighting the dark elven fleet , and are on the way of both the dwarf inronclade and Manaanites fleets on their way to reinforce us so odds are they still fighting at Nordland and only once they are done can we expect aid
 
-[] Crushed Anvil - Highest chance of causing actual damage to any Black Ark that heads for the coast, unknown casualties for Fleet forces, meant to attack Ark once it has beached itself and is forced into one place.

I think I remember we sent our fleet to help Nordlands against the dark elf fleets who were escorting the Black arks while we dealt with the Arks , our navy along with that of Nordlands are fighting the dark elven fleet , and are on the way of both the dwarf inronclade and Manaanites fleets on their way to reinforce us so odds are they still fighting at Nordland and only once they are done can we expect aid
nah fam we definitely voted for smashing the arks with our fleet while they are beached.
 
So, vote's over, so... it's premature and all that of course, but we've already talked a lot about how the battle might go and etc, so I'm wondering about what the after-effects of it might be.
What you get, instead, halfway through Pflugzeit, at a time when the fields should be getting ploughed and sown, is the sighting of two massive edifices of black stone and iron. Vast citadels that do not sail so much as force the sea to part before them, surrounded by huge swarms of dagger ships that cut through the water in a way that no Imperial ship ever has. Swarms of winged, screeching creatures leap and flap back and forth across their heights, forming clouds of leathery wings and scaly skin. The waters around them thrashes and roils with barely seen beasts. Those brave wolf ships who bring you these reports, furthermore, inform you that they were allowed to leave and reach you. Because once they were sighted by the Druchii, the dagger ships shot forward through the waters, surrounded them, and then let them go, all the while cackling and laughing at them, maneuvering expertly so that they cannot be hit by the cannons.

Leaving the crews more than a little terrified, which you suppose is the point.

To spread terror at the knowledge of what is coming. That the Druchii don't care that you know. Or even that they want you to, now at least. But you are reasonably sure they don't or didn't know how early you knew. Long enough for you to call your allies, long enough for the coast to be evacuated to Salkalten. Reports begin to appear in your quarters, from seemingly nowhere, written in rough scrawled hand, to inform you that some ships managed to slip forward even past your best observers. Only to find emptied villages and deserted hamlets. Oh, to be sure, the Druchii corsairs burn what they find, but it is out of rage rather than amused cruelty, for there are no prizes for them to take for sacrifice or torture. It is possible that the Flagellants might have done something to these, but not nearly enough to make it matter. Or perhaps you are wrong, but there simply is nothing to be done about it, for your decision was already made.
Mostly, I was thinking that Stephan evacuated his coast... and then both Black Arks hit Ostland, and not even one hit Nordland. Meaning that Stephan evacuated his coast expecting it to get utterly ravaged by a floating mountain, only for that to not happen.

(On the other hand, remember how when we chose to pull our own guys from our coasts rather than to have them be speedbumps for the Druchii? And how the Druchii seemed to be a bit mad about that because they were expecting to get some first blood in? Do you think they were extra frustrated because they had passed Nordland and also hadn't had any villagers to raid because Stephan abandoned the coast? So they were extra frustrated because after a big fat nothing in Nordland, they also got a big fat nothing in Ostland?)

(Or do you think they were extra frustrated because they deliberately skipped Nordland (not even raiding it) in order to focus on Ostland... only to find that all of Ostland's coastal villages were abandoned? Meaning they were in the mindset of "Okay, we skipped the easy pickings of Nordland -- good coast land, but strong navy -- to hit Ostland aaaand it's all gone. Ugh.")
(I think it's the latter; the quoted part has the 2 Arks sighted approaching Ostland, and then corsairs slip past your ships to burn Ostland coastal settlements only to find nothing and be frustrated. I think that meant that the 2 Black Arks skipped Nordland entirely.)

Anyway, reason I bring up Stephan's situation is that...

... Do you think that somebody in his province is going to try and blame him for letting the coastal settlements get torched without putting up a fight? That is, if the Druchii probably torched the coastal villages and cities on their way to Ostland, and the Nordland armies weren't there, then... would people in Stephan's province go "Look at that, they didn't even intend to hit us at all, they went for Ostland. Which means they only did a few pillages-of-opportunity. And if we had been there, we could have driven them off, because they would have been on their way to Ostland rather than intending to fight us here!"

i.e. Did Stephan just get his coastal settlements burnt for "nothing"? Or so some would argue?

Follow-up question would be; if this is an argument that some jerk in Nordland would make, would that be enemy action (i.e. somebody trying to undermine a loyal and stalwart Elector) rabble-rousing by a traitor or just an ambitious jerk? Or maybe somebody is genuinely convinced Stephan did make a mistake, but they have a Dolph whispering in their ears?

And next next question; given that Stephan withdrew from the coast, do you think the Beast-tide when it hits is going to hit all those people who just withdrew? Or would Stephan wind up extra prepared for such an attack because he had withdrawn those people to defensible and central locations (rather than all spread out along the coast)?

Did his coastal settlements get burnt? If the two Black Arks went for Ostland, how much would have gone for Nordland? Just some fleet elements? A moderate amount of fleet elements; enough to tarpit an Imperial Navy in order to allow the Black Arks to do their business in Ostland? (Or maybe that's where Otto took his fleet; to distract Nordland. Or maybe he did go to Ulthuan as we thought. Or perhaps to Norsca! But if so, then to help the rebellious Norscans, or to help the Chaos Worshipping ones?)

Hopefully Stephan is facing a fight he can win and then take his fleet to Ostland to catch the Black Arks from behind. That way he would have defended his coast, driven off the Druchii fleet, and also had time to swing by and play hammer (alongside Barak Varr and Eldyra) to Salkalten's anvil.


So basically my question is; what do you guys think the political and military outcomes of things might be for Nordland? Good, bad, mixed? Or impossible to say for sure because we have nothing to go on besides speculation (speculation like "some nobles are hounding at Stephan, and they might take the opportunity of a crisis to say that Stephan did something wrong. Regardless of whether Stephan actually did wrong or not."). And also because the Beast-tide might change things enough that "You make the totally correct choice against the Druchii!" becomes a moot factor because it's no longer simply important because you needed to defend yourself against Beastmen and also there's a shitton of people dead and such.
 
Stephan pulled back the civilians not the soldiers. Staggered defense utilizing Eonir ambushes is his answer. Given that he is facing mostly Raiders, that was definitely the right call to make. He's bleeding them, but that doesn't mean he abandons strategically important settlements like his capital.
 
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So basically my question is; what do you guys think the political and military outcomes of things might be for Nordland? Good, bad, mixed? Or impossible to say for sure because we have nothing to go on besides speculation (speculation like "some nobles are hounding at Stephan, and they might take the opportunity of a crisis to say that Stephan did something wrong. Regardless of whether Stephan actually did wrong or not."). And also because the Beast-tide might change things enough that "You make the totally correct choice against the Druchii!" becomes a moot factor because it's no longer simply important because you needed to defend yourself against Beastmen and also there's a shitton of people dead and such.

At the end of the day, Stephan's still the Elector Count, who knew for a fact that two Black Arks were on their way, with absolutely no reason for him to believe that they wouldn't make the shocking choice of ignoring his coastline settlements. Anybody who tries to make some political move by whining about the coastal villages being wrecked by the Druchii (with no damage to the people themselves of course) is gonna be shouted down and stomped into the dirt.
 
Stephan pulled back the civilians not the soldiers. Staggered defense utilizing Eonir ambushes is his answer. Given that he is facing mostly Raiders, that was definitely the right call to make. He's bleeding them, but that doesn't mean he abandons strategically important settlements like his capital.

I can't recall, was there mention of what the Nordland navy was planning to do? Whether directly confronting the druchii to try and prevent them from landing or hitting their ships once they hit the coast?
 
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Did his coastal settlements get burnt? If the two Black Arks went for Ostland, how much would have gone for Nordland? Just some fleet elements? A moderate amount of fleet elements; enough to tarpit an Imperial Navy in order to allow the Black Arks to do their business in Ostland? (Or maybe that's where Otto took his fleet; to distract Nordland. Or maybe he did go to Ulthuan as we thought. Or perhaps to Norsca! But if so, then to help the rebellious Norscans, or to help the Chaos Worshipping ones?)
From what we know, the Druchii basically tried to divide and conquer, with the arks going to Ostland to smash our big important city while all their escorts went to raid Nordland's relatively undeveloped coast. There is most assuredly plenty of reason to withdraw, especially when he's done so much prep-work rebuilding his interior and a whole nation of angry tree-dwelling elves willing to turn his forests into a death trap for druchii.

You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to argue against these benefits, and it's not like he's withdrawing soldiers from those villages, just civilians, and nobody sane will argue for leaving non-combatants to the Druchii's mercy.

Dude's going to be fine.

[X] Unleash the Martyrs, and Stand at the Gates!
Vote's closed
 
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