Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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I get the feeling that Kislev is soon going to go down in flame, one way or another. Chaos is also probably working on it.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
What the hell? Tightening her grip on Kislev's religions is one thing, but isn't this a huge slap in the face to the Empire? What is she thinking
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She's thinking she needs total control.

Doesn't change anything. As long as the country is a meat shield for us against Chaos? It can slide for all I care.

The Emperor or the heads of the major religions can address this if they think it a slight.

And her subjects may object in their own more direct manner soon enough.
 
Herp derp durp. You know that southern nation? The place where all my funds are coming from? The place where all of my plans rely on to be successful? Yeah, let's piss them off by destroying and desecrating their temples in the entirety of Kislev, it's not like they've just been done reclaiming all of their temples and holy sites that were desecrated in Sylvania and still have most of their crusader armies still assembled. What a GREAT IDEA! NOTHING CAN GO WRONG!
 
Prince Sheo said:
I'm livid right now (not really, lol). Casting down the gods of the person who's been propping up your useless tyrannical ass is a deep betrayal. I say we embargo Kislev for a turn, see how high and mighty she can be when the money and food she gets from trading with the empire suddenly dries up. Maybe then, when she's crawling back to Ostland to beg for forgiveness as all of her "project"s have been abandoned due to her severe lack of funds can we persuade her to be less of a destructive bitch.
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I really, really don't like the idea of weakening Kislev when something is brewing in the north.
 
torroar said:
The Red Abbey. An accursed place of vampires, necromancers, and the undead as a whole. Once a blessed place of Sigmar, corrupted for many, many centuries after the slaughter of its inhabitants by Konrad the Mad. Later inhabited by vampires who fled after the end of the first Vampire Wars. Until it was cast down, stone by High Priest Arthur von Hohenzollern.
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"stone by stone by High Priest" not "stone by High Priest"

torroar said:
Other ships were not so lucky, and it turned out to be Ostland's greatship to be a great killer.
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What even were you specifically trying to say here? Some form of slang? Or some sort of writing error?

torroar said:
Nadzirateli
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What Slavic language did you get this word from? I'm just curious. There is nothing wrong with the word, I've just never seen that particular spelling.
 
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torroar said:
Dragonback Skirmishes: There is a place, in this ancient world, where blood seems to be spilled in excess of almost anywhere else. Once known as the Badlands, named now for the sheer sheets of white and yellowed bone that range across it. The bodies of great squigs slain long ago, bodies picked clean by whole flocks of carrion. The burnt and scattered soot of hundreds to thousands of greenskins and skaven over the many years. Black Crag, once a noble dwarf hold, is firmly in the grip of the urk, and with every passing year the Iron Rock disappears past lines of the enemy too thick and too disturbingly watchful. Fighting burst out in the Bonelands proper this year once more, or at least around the Dragonbacks, rangers sighting the telltale signs of skaven weaponry and their strange sorceries fighting against the brutal warriors of the WAAAAGH!!! Strange columns of greenskins came roaring out of the Marshes of Madness, showing clear signs of battle on their equipment and numbers, joining in the fighting amongst the mountain reaches as well. One enterprising ranger, a beardling of no real note, was foolishly brave enough to get close to listen in. Apparently, a sprawl of vile necromancers had attempted to sneak into the old ruins within the Marshes of Madness, to try and take advantage of the sheer amount of bones and corpses left in the Bonelands. The greenskins took offense to this, and apparently spent some of their strength accordingly. Ranger teams from Karak Azul are even now investigating.
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great now there are necromancers in the Bonelands now all we need are the khorne warriors to join the fun and hopefully some of the beastmen hordes get stuck get caught there
 
torroar said:
Worryingly, a great many of the worse sorts of these abominable creatures were present, from centigor, to beastigor, doombulls, and one two-headed cygor whose thrown boulders shattered four grudge throwers during the battle, their crews only narrowly avoiding death. At least they are dead, and we are not!
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well, its always nice to see the other guy fumble a roll. This sounds like a big beastmen army tried to sneak through dwarven lands, which was a fairly bad idea. though I'm a bit worried about how many beastmen are moving around that we don't see?

torroar said:
strange form of religious enforcement who preach the word of 'the pantheon' and look to ensure that all in Kislev give credence to 'proper' and consistent worship. Those that acquiesce to them, those officials and headmen who give way, receive bribes and lowerings of taxes for certain seasons!
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I'm kinda annoyed about the temple smashing, bit of a diplomatic issue that. But this is interesting. I really think she's figured out that you can shape gods. If nothing else comes of her reign, she's going to build a pantheon worth a damn out of the scattered folklore of her peopel. Which would be a huge lasting boon to kislev.
 
Prince Sheo said:
I'm livid right now (not really, lol). Casting down the gods of the person who's been propping up your useless tyrannical ass is a deep betrayal. I say we embargo Kislev for a turn, see how high and mighty she can be when the money and food she gets from trading with the empire suddenly dries up. Maybe then, when she's crawling back to Ostland to beg for forgiveness as all of her "project"s have been abandoned due to her severe lack of funds can we persuade her to be less of a destructive bitch.
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Oh yes let weaken our meat shield what a great idea. As long as they stand in the way when chaos come south I don't care what horrible act she does to her people
 
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torroar said:
Religious Enforcement Woes: The Tzarina, madwoman that she is, has already begun a brand new program which infringes upon the rights of all who live within Kislev. She cast out the southern gods, for this, she cannot be entirely blamed, for there are none who could say they liked the endless braying about Ulric or Sigmar. But claiming their temples for her own, destroying and then rebuilding them into new forms? Under her control? Far more of an issue. She claims the Gods do something, and her puppets repeat her words. But now, she has unleashed a new plague upon the good peoples of the land, a strange form of religious enforcement who preach the word of 'the pantheon' and look to ensure that all in Kislev give credence to 'proper' and consistent worship. Those that acquiesce to them, those officials and headmen who give way, receive bribes and lowerings of taxes for certain seasons! Is there nothing that the Tzarina will not stoop to, so that her 'vision' is completed?! These new Nadzirateli are blasphemers, for all that their number is made up of priests of 'the gods' and their guards.
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Adding my hand to the facepalm brigade.
 
These religious stunts of Kattarin seem to be her way of trying to prove herself as "Kislevite" as possible, as she has previously spent a lot of her political capital by not only modernizing Kislev, whether its people want it or not, but by taking cues from the Empire to boot.

Her centralization efforts don't exactly help the matter.

Additionally, by converting those temples, and further enforcing the widespread worship of the (new) Kislev Pantheon, she could very well be directly strengthening them on a metaphysical level.
Which, truth be told, Kislev sorely needs, among other things.
 
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Seems pretty straightforward. She's been taking all the steps to build a coherent national identity, and a big part of that is going to start with defining what is and is not Kislev.
And as Sigmar is a nationalistic god, his priests are directly and inherently detrimental influences to that.

Nationalism 101.
 
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Tor usually doesn't allow out of character decisions to be made (which I like btw, too many quest protags become mary/gary sues with no personality when QMs don't do this). Embargoing Kislev for a single turn is probably the mildest punishment we can enact IC. Destroying and desecrating the temples of your allies gods is such a tremendously bad idea that I have no words to describe it with. This is religion we are talking about, people get very unreasonable about it, I'm 99.9% sure that there are already talks of an invasion happening in both Ulric and Sigmarite circles, there's just no way we can prevent something like that and what she did is definitely going to negatively impact us. A relatively mild response like an embargo would be a good way of showing our displeasure without majority weakening both Kislev and the Empire irreparably
 
Can we all settle down, we don't know Kattarin's exact motive for doing this, Alexandra can probably tell us since she is in Kislev and is a trusted agent of Kattarin, I say we wait for more information before we act.
 
EyeOfSauron said:
Can we all settle down, we don't know Kattarin's exact motive for doing this, Alexandra can probably tell us since she is in Kislev and is a trusted agent of Kattarin, I say we wait for more information before we act.
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The motives don't really matter at this point and waiting isn't going to help. This is now a race of who responds first, us or the imperial religious heads, and I can bet we would very much not like how the religious heads are gonna respond.
 
Prince Sheo said:
The motives don't really matter at this point and waiting isn't going to help. This is now a race of who responds first, us or the imperial religious heads, and I can bet we would very much not like how the religious heads are gonna respond.
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Let's wait until the next update when we can actually know for sure how pissed or not religious heads are.
 
Prince Sheo said:
The motives don't really matter at this point and waiting isn't going to help. This is now a race of who responds first, us or the imperial religious heads, and I can bet we would very much not like how the religious heads are gonna respond.
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Unless you want Kislev to unite under the banner of "fuck the foreigners" even more so than they already are, I would put the hate boner away.

Actively embargoing an ally (no matter how tenuous) for moral reasons is not only out of character for a pragmatist like Freddy, it's also silly.

If Magnus were to for some reason decree that no one is to trade with Kislev then it would force our hand, but otherwise it's just pissing off someone inclined to support us for religious brownie points.
 
Horium said:
These religious stunts of Kattarin seem to be her way of trying to prove herself as "Kislevite" as possible, as she has previously spent a lot of her political capital by not only modernizing Kislev, whether its people want it or not, but by taking cues from the Empire to boot.

Her centralization efforts don't exactly help the matter.

Additionally, by converting those temples, and further enforcing the widespread worship of the (new) Kislev Pantheon, she could very well be directly strengthening them on a metaphysical level.
Which, truth be told, Kislev sorely needs, among other things.
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Still, not an ideal move. The Empire tolerates Kislev. Even the rumor itself says this stunt isn't exactly safe if Kattarin is trying to make a point. People are going to mostly be offended with this. The Kislevites because of how this looks as a blatant power grab. The Empire because this is empire religion being dramatically shunted out of Kislev. Just when things were not quite a disaster on the diplomatic stage for Kislev and the Empire.

There might be an overreaction, just a little bit, on the anticipated response of the Empire's Cults. Kislev and the Empire signed the Cold-Steel Concordit, which puts restraints on the current reprisal the Empire can pull. Frankly, this is an issue for Magnus the PIous to handle, not us. We will possibly see this issue brought up in the Electors Meet after Turn 33 results.
 
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While I think some of the posters are overreacting, I agree that we should start asking Alex to consider coming back home.

She is certain that she is doing important work in Kislev, but she gave much of herself in service to it, and she may be suffering from the sunk costs syndrom.

"Uplifting" Kislev (hell, uplifting any nation for that matter) is a lifetime's, no, wait, several lifetimes' amount of work and woe, and that is not Alexandra's burden to bear, but Romanov's.
 
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