Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

[watcheye456]

Can we not have a disscusion about Lenin in thread, please. We had enough bad memories already.
Hope Alyssia will not notice things changing in Freddy but that Sunweaver will. When she see them again she may flip.

 

[Massgamer]

I'm very curious how a strengthen soul bond will develop, and how elves who know about the thing would react to it since I imagine that even when it was more common, albeit still rare, that the bond Freddy and Nat will have will be unheard of it not the thing of legends and tales among the greatest lovers in elven history.

I mean, Nat's bond with the Widow, while still nowhere as close as it is with her sister, is strong and has been growing stronger over the years, and Freddy's own soul is very much a beaten up but put back together stronger thing thanks to the influence of multiple gods.

Beyond just being even closer to one another in general, I can't help but wonder what knock-on effects this might have in the long term. Will the various blessings start mixing together/being shared in some way? I mean, we already see this in how Freddy is no longer being negatively effected by the cold Nat gives off and how she doesn't feel as freezing all the time.

If nothing else the family is continuing the trend of having very different souls in general, lol.

 

[Niksol]

Name: Frederick von Hohenzollern
Date of Birth: 2286
Titles: Elector Count of Ostland, Grand Prince of Ostland, Margrave of the Northern March, Prince of Wulfenburg, Hero of Nordland, The Steel Bull of Ostland, Hero of Ostland, Slayer of the Everliving, the Unkillable, Steward of the Third Imperial Fleet, Gromril Belly, Dwarf Friend to Josef Bugman, Goldgiver, Graf of Guns, Count of Cannons, Creator of the Blue Steel Concordant, Slayer of Warhoof, True Dawongr, Zakdrungi a Dum (Crazed Vanquisher Of Darkness), Das Azul (The Dependable), Unbaki a Thagi (Breaker Of Traitors), Sarathlecaidromstryn (Defiant Noble Souled Ally of Hope)
Prestige: 15,700
Wargear: Brain Wounder (Runefang of Ostland), Oskana the Gryphon with Runic Breastplate with Rune of Adamant (BD: 2325), The Light of Summer (Wood Elf Healing Artifact), Bokdrungni (Dwarf Runic Fist), Frozen Promise (Masterwork Ledstali 'Plate' Armor)
Fate Points: 1
Fortune Points: 1

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Is the Fate Point count here updated, or is that the point we burnt when we were saved by Isha's intervention?

 

[watcheye456]

Speaking of Widow . Can we take a moment to point out how effectivly conceplually she is agains Chaos buggers?
Serants of pleasure are numbed in their sensories, a fate that even their prince would consider one of the worst.
Cold slow and even stops grwth and development of rot and desises, and her cold works on unnatural kind
then we have angry flames and boiling blood, in clear opposition to chilling winds and frezing waves.
The only one not being that affected by her presence would be scheemer, but he seems occupied elsewhere.

No flippin wonder Kislev holds so well.

 

[torroar]

Is the Fate Point count here updated, or is that the point we burnt when we were saved by Isha's intervention?

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That is the burnt point. Given how long things have been taking thanks to IRL and what not, I might update the front page properly so that this sort of thing doesn't confuse everyone. Sorry all for that. We've got an appointment with a surgeon and another with a CT scan across town scheduled for the parent today, so in all likelihood it'll be evening when that stuff can be done.

 

[Altom]

A little bit more complex than that. Every Leninist that I think of as a Leninist is a Practical Romantic, but not every Practical Romantic I've read in fiction is a Leninist. I don't know if every Leninist I talked to I identified as a Leninist correctly even if they would have done so or wouldn't have done so.

Basically it is a Belief and Faith division. Belief is how one thinks and Faith is how one acts. So Practical Romantics are characters/archetypes who act like Lenin and Leninists did and do, but they don't have to think like them.

And the reason why it is a lionization if a Practical Romantic comes into power by being the better option without the aid of some secret police suppressing his rivals is that in real life people like Bhelen are walking huge red flags with their actions in progressive politics. Lenin himself actually alienated first the Mensheviks and then a chunk of the Bolsheviks as well with his actions and agitations for a centralized authoritarian revolutionary committee leading a peasant and ex-peasant/worker uprising.

There is no way forward to power for a Practical Romantic without leaving a lot of progressive opponents in his wake and unless those opponents get suppressed somehow before his rise to power or he's given some sort of boost to reach power a Practical Romantic never can obtain the sort of power Bhelen wields.

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Leaving aside the question of how accurate that classification, which ultimately underlays your entire argument is, I 'd say the biggest problem is that your argument seems to be tailored around modern'ish world, where there is Right/Left political split, and such thing as "progressive opposition" can even exist on a conceptial level.

But dwarves of Dragon age are not such a society. They are an elected monarchy on top of a strict caste system in which only the highest caste, the Nobles, has any say in the actual politics.

The reason Bhelen is the better option is because he weakens the bonds of the caste system. In no small part because that weakens the Nobles and allows him to concentrate power in his own hands. The only reason that ends up working in his favour, endings-wise is because the Caste system combined with constant warfare against the Darkspawn is grinding Orzammar to dust all while a substantial chunk of the remaining population is prohibited from taking arms or indeed contributing in any productive way. And even then, endings do not go past a sigle generation, so we don't know if his actions backfire in the long run.


To put it another way, you seem to have taken a system of classification and chose to treat it as a Gospel, always correct, with no exceptions, conditional or otherwise, even when dealing with societies and people where it should not be applicable.

 

[torroar]

If I were ever try for a Dragon Age quest again, I might try to do one with a 'surviving' dwarf hold that wasn't Orzammar or the other one with the ooky spooks. Try and last through the ages, possibly...with that one secret history of a dwarf warrior/noble recognizing that the caste system is bullshit reaching a holdout or something.