Yep. He was promoted in 2302.Q4:
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Don't think this means you've won!
- Location
- Murica
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in Ana Font Shipyard
[X][NAME1] Prometheus
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
[X][NAME1] Prometheus
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X][NAME1] Salnas
[X][NAME2] Avandar
One because we need an Amarki named explorer, and one for the Betazoids.
[X] Rear Admiral Shey ch'Tharvasse
Andorian Male (Time in Rank, 13 years)
Current Posting: Chief of Staff, Starfleet Command
Has been your reliable Chief of Staff for the past four years, and is now looking to move on up. Gain +2 to Relationship Gain Events.
edit: Also, the 'Andorians secretly rule the Federation' meme.
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
edit2: I changed my mind.
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I personally favor the Aquarius over the Odyssey. Now I know you guys are gonna look at me funny, so let me explain this one. Because in the history of earth spaceflight, the mission of Apollo 13 stands out as the greatest 'Successful Failure'. Despite an accident comparable to a warp-core breach that left their spaceship crippled, venting oxygen, and without power, the three-man crew of that early mission successfully returned home because of their Lunar Module Aquarius. When Odyssey was crippled and lacked life support or power for more than about 15 minutes of operation, the crew shifted into their 'lunar lifeboat' and made it their home for three days. Yes, ultimately Aquarius was sacrificed to the cruel fate of unprotected re-entry, but that does not diminish but rather enhance the mystique of the name.
Odysseus' crew died off during his long adventure, but Aquarius will bring her crew home again. That is why I want Aquarius-to bring them home, for though they are willing to risk death, we should never spend that willingness lightly.
Odysseus' crew died off during his long adventure, but Aquarius will bring her crew home again. That is why I want Aquarius-to bring them home, for though they are willing to risk death, we should never spend that willingness lightly.
OK, this is fine. But as we've gone into previously, can we please stop naming everything after poor Admiral Aelin!
fasquardon
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in Ana Font Shipyard
[X][NAME1] Prometheus
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
We've only named one thing after her so far: some backwater research colony. It may seem like more because it's come up in multiple votes, but it's been defeated every time
[X][NAME1] Prometheus
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
We've only named one thing after her so far: some backwater research colony. It may seem like more because it's come up in multiple votes, but it's been defeated every time
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- Location
- Patriarchova
We could always name it after Lord Gaela, the wise patrician who assembled the dream team of scientists and engineers who created the first Amarki warp drive and founded their first extraplanetary colony.
Or Neleyha, who ended the War of the Three Empires before it could turn nuclear.
Or Salnas, credited with the discovery that their homeworld was round and orbited the sun.
Or any of the many, many other Amarki historical figures that any one of you could pull out of your ass as easily as I just did.
Or Neleyha, who ended the War of the Three Empires before it could turn nuclear.
Or Salnas, credited with the discovery that their homeworld was round and orbited the sun.
Or any of the many, many other Amarki historical figures that any one of you could pull out of your ass as easily as I just did.
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Redoing my vote:
Okay, Aelin is at least a nonhuman name option. And at this point we have explorers named for critical concepts from three of the four core members (S'harien and Sarek, Miracht, and Kumari). If it weren't for the wave of Connies about to commission in the next five years I'd push for a 'human' name, but since that wave is a thing, as a gesture of respect to Amarkia mirroring the one to Betazed, I'm going to favor Aelin. I'm going to keep pushing for nonhuman Excelsior names until the Connies are in service.
In answer to Fasquardon, I will happily change my vote to literally any other appropriate Amarki name, if it is a superior choice and if I find out what that name is.
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in Ana Font Shipyard
[X][NAME1] Aelin
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
2309Q1 - Start an Excelsior build in Utopia Planitia berth vacated by the Caitian ship; allow Tellarites to begin building an Excelsior for themselves in Tellar Prime berth.
2309Q2 - Start three Constitution-B builds: 1 in new Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility 1mt shipyard opening in Q2, 1 in UP 1mt berth after the Yukikaze finishes its refit, and 1 in new 3mt UP berth opening in Q2
2309Q4 - Start three Constitution-B builds; in SF berths freed up by launching Centaur-Bs; 1 in 40 Eridani berth. Start Renaissance prototype in new UP 1mt berth opening in Q2.
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
The problem is that ch'Tharvasse already provides a +2 to diplomacy results in his present position. We get roughly the same number of diplomacy boosts from our rolled "diplomatic push" checks (which ch'Tharvasse now benefits) as we do from random events. Maybe a little more, maybe a little less, but the point is, ch'Tharvasse will go from providing a +2 to relations several times a year... to providing a +2 to relations several times a year.
For example, THIS year, we rolled the diplomatic push dice, um... six or seven times, I think. We got nine events. But if we'd rolled the push dice with more of our existing affiliates (as in, two of them), then it'd be nine or ten times that we profited from ch'Tharvasse's bonus, and the situation would be a tie.
So the real benefit to us, mechanically, from promoting ch'Tharvasse is that we get to pick a new chief of staff with a different bonus... and a diplomacy-focused chief of staff may not be available.
By contrast, Sulu provides us with a straight up +10 political will a year. Even if he's only in office for a limited period of time, that's going to have fairly dramatic payoffs.
Okay, Aelin is at least a nonhuman name option. And at this point we have explorers named for critical concepts from three of the four core members (S'harien and Sarek, Miracht, and Kumari). If it weren't for the wave of Connies about to commission in the next five years I'd push for a 'human' name, but since that wave is a thing, as a gesture of respect to Amarkia mirroring the one to Betazed, I'm going to favor Aelin. I'm going to keep pushing for nonhuman Excelsior names until the Connies are in service.
In answer to Fasquardon, I will happily change my vote to literally any other appropriate Amarki name, if it is a superior choice and if I find out what that name is.
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in Ana Font Shipyard
[X][NAME1] Aelin
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
2309Q1 - Start an Excelsior build in Utopia Planitia berth vacated by the Caitian ship; allow Tellarites to begin building an Excelsior for themselves in Tellar Prime berth.
2309Q2 - Start three Constitution-B builds: 1 in new Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility 1mt shipyard opening in Q2, 1 in UP 1mt berth after the Yukikaze finishes its refit, and 1 in new 3mt UP berth opening in Q2
2309Q4 - Start three Constitution-B builds; in SF berths freed up by launching Centaur-Bs; 1 in 40 Eridani berth. Start Renaissance prototype in new UP 1mt berth opening in Q2.
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
'Chan' is one of the masculine genders, so 'male' fits.
The problem is that ch'Tharvasse already provides a +2 to diplomacy results in his present position. We get roughly the same number of diplomacy boosts from our rolled "diplomatic push" checks (which ch'Tharvasse now benefits) as we do from random events. Maybe a little more, maybe a little less, but the point is, ch'Tharvasse will go from providing a +2 to relations several times a year... to providing a +2 to relations several times a year.
For example, THIS year, we rolled the diplomatic push dice, um... six or seven times, I think. We got nine events. But if we'd rolled the push dice with more of our existing affiliates (as in, two of them), then it'd be nine or ten times that we profited from ch'Tharvasse's bonus, and the situation would be a tie.
So the real benefit to us, mechanically, from promoting ch'Tharvasse is that we get to pick a new chief of staff with a different bonus... and a diplomacy-focused chief of staff may not be available.
By contrast, Sulu provides us with a straight up +10 political will a year. Even if he's only in office for a limited period of time, that's going to have fairly dramatic payoffs.
If any of those people get even one omake worth of content to flesh them out, or something, I will consider them very strong contenders.
The improved Cardassian ships are worrying, partially because the Constitution and later Reni may not be able to match them, and the Constellation? it's even more outclassed. Can we agree on a Heavy/Medium Cruiser concept now?
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in Ana Font Shipyard
[X][NAME1] Aelin
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
2309Q1 - Start an Excelsior build in Utopia Planitia berth vacated by the Caitian ship; allow Tellarites to begin building an Excelsior for themselves in Tellar Prime berth.
2309Q2 - Start three Constitution-B builds: 1 in new Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility 1mt shipyard opening in Q2, 1 in UP 1mt berth after the Yukikaze finishes its refit, and 1 in new 3mt UP berth opening in Q2
2309Q4 - Start three Constitution-B builds; in SF berths freed up by launching Centaur-Bs; 1 in 40 Eridani berth. Start Renaissance prototype in new UP 1mt berth opening in Q2.
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in Ana Font Shipyard
[X][NAME1] Aelin
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
2309Q1 - Start an Excelsior build in Utopia Planitia berth vacated by the Caitian ship; allow Tellarites to begin building an Excelsior for themselves in Tellar Prime berth.
2309Q2 - Start three Constitution-B builds: 1 in new Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility 1mt shipyard opening in Q2, 1 in UP 1mt berth after the Yukikaze finishes its refit, and 1 in new 3mt UP berth opening in Q2
2309Q4 - Start three Constitution-B builds; in SF berths freed up by launching Centaur-Bs; 1 in 40 Eridani berth. Start Renaissance prototype in new UP 1mt berth opening in Q2.
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
- Location
- Austin, TX
The front page has it under the boarder zone list in blue, correct. But it is not inside the Klingon section, and for that matter, there is a divider separating them. As it has changed status, older material placing it in the KBZ shouldn't be assumed to still be in effect.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
@MS-21H 'Hawke'
Heavy Cruiser means Explorer. Guess what the Cardassians don't have? A proper explorer/battleship. Guess what we DO have? A proper explorer/battleship. The Lorgot is a battlecruiser and NOT in the way Star Trek uses the term, but in the RL way. It's got a weaksauce hull and can't do anything but fight.
Heavy Cruiser means Explorer. Guess what the Cardassians don't have? A proper explorer/battleship. Guess what we DO have? A proper explorer/battleship. The Lorgot is a battlecruiser and NOT in the way Star Trek uses the term, but in the RL way. It's got a weaksauce hull and can't do anything but fight.
If you want Explorers as heavy cruisers, that's fine, and in-fact an interpretation I somewhat hold myself...then lets's use the designation 'Medium Cruiser' for this hypothetical ship design. The idea is to get comparable(probably a little lesser, for political reason) to explorers while being easier and faster to construct.
EDIT: I didn't realize which thread I was in until I posted, I'm gonna repost this to the design thread....
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Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
- Location
- Getter Valhalla
That's the Renaissance.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
When we have reason to believe that the improved Cardassian ships are present in numbers comparable or superior to our own explorers, yes.
The role of our cruisers as midweight ships is to be able to fight and counter the Cardassian midweight ships. The ConnieBee has a narrow advantage over the Jaldun-class (higher Combat and Defense, equal Shields, lower Hull). Meanwhile the Rennaissance straight-up matches or overmatches that class in all categories.
Their combat cruisers (the Kaldar-class) might have a combat advantage over the Rennies, well within the margin of error where things like crew quality are more decisive than ship performance. Even then, their advantage is going to be slight unless that "weird module attachment" turns out to be a very effective weapon.
Moreover, at least for the moment we have more explorers than the Cardassians have battlecruisers AND Kaldars combined, even according to Intelligence's worst-case estimates. Unless they have a LOT more shipbuilding capacity than we think and just happened to have an incredibly puny fleet a few years before we encountered them, we're going to be able to keep up with shipbuilding, turn out powerful explorers to counter their heavily armed 'battlecruiser' designs, and match their cruiser/escort performance.
A medium cruiser with a price point somewhere between the Rennie and the Excelsior isn't such a bad idea. But any such cruiser will be competing with Excelsiors for berth space (at least until we get a significant number of two-megaton berths), and we will struggle to turn them out in numbers adequate to make a difference unless we sacrifice resources that would otherwise go to Excelsiors.
My feeling is that right now, for all intents and purposes the Excelsior-class IS our "heavy cruiser" to the Rennie's "light cruiser." There is no significant difference in Starfleet design doctrine between an explorer vessel and a really big 'cruiser.' And given that our shipyard infrastructure is so ruthlessly differentiated into 'heavy' and 'light' berths with no separate class of 'mediums,' and that we just spent a lot of time and effort building up a lot of 'heavy' three-megaton berths...
There just isn't a lot of room in our current scheme of shipbuilding for a medium cruiser. That may change in 10-20 years, but for now, we're just going to have to counter the stronger Cardassian combat ships with our own explorers, while relying on the mass of ConnieBees and Rennies to sweep up anything Jaldun-sized or weaker.
Like the ones Leila just invented before you posted?
I like the sound of "USS Neleyha".
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in Ana Font Shipyard
[X][NAME1] Neleyha
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
fasquardon
not necessarily, you see the Reni is our Light Cruiser and will be our main combatant, the ship I'm discussing will be a middle ground between the explorer and light crusier....able to be built in numbers our explorer can't and be able to put up more of a fight than the Reni and Constitution-B.
Here's the thing, if we can finangle a statblock for a medium cruiser that is high enough, we can replace most of the Excelsiors we plan on producing for cheaper ships that perform in a somewhat comparable way, with the Excelsiors we already have and are fielding to bring the extra-big guns as Heavy Crusiers.
The big issue is the Council is hamstringing us on 'Explorers should be our best' thing, otherwise, this would be a lot easier, with me suggesting a 'Battleship' Cruiser.
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I mean, respectfully, Diversity for a multispecies Federation is just as generic. Even more so, in some ways.
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in Ana Font Shipyard
[X][NAME1] Salnas
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
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- Location
- Patriarchova
If any of those people get even one omake worth of content to flesh them out, or something, I will consider them very strong contenders.
Yeah. This single fact is what has me supporting a next-gen Explorer as our next ship. With that we can either turn our Excelsior's into medium cruisers or design a new medium cruiser.
Yes. The Cardassian designs certainly mean the Rennie will have to fill the "light" category.
fasquardon
Gear
Set Moon to Ramming Speed!
I really like Salnas, has that Explorer feel to it.
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in Ana Font Shipyard
[X][NAME1] Salnas
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
And Sulu because he did canonoically become head of Starfleet, and later President of the Federation, so let's speed him on his way.
- Location
- Australia
As I go through the fun and delight of filling out the full set of shipyard orders for the other factions, I'm going to quickly check to make sure: no one has any special objections to member races building Constitution-Bs in their own yards?
- Location
- Patriarchova
Can't really see why not.