When it gets to the very top job my understanding is the candidate is picked directly by the Federation Council, which basically means the thread will get a vote from among the vice admirals. Possibly we could force the selection of a Rear Admiral or anyone we wanted via write-in, if we could explain to the QM a logical reason why the Federation Council would decide to ignore Starfleet ranking structure and pull in someone from the lower ranks or outside the system. (Such as a situation where they really hated the Admiral and all the Vice Admirals were seen as tainted by association or something like that.) Choosing not to consider 'time in rank' seems entirely in character for the Federation Council, though.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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When it gets to the very top job my understanding is the candidate is picked directly by the Federation Council, which basically means the thread will get a vote from among the vice admirals. Possibly we could force the selection of a Rear Admiral or anyone we wanted via write-in, if we could explain to the QM a logical reason why the Federation Council would decide to ignore Starfleet ranking structure and pull in someone from the lower ranks or outside the system. (Such as a situation where they really hated the Admiral and all the Vice Admirals were seen as tainted by association or something like that.) Choosing not to consider 'time in rank' seems entirely in character for the Federation Council, though.
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Its hard to say what the situation will be like by the time the first Conniebees are finished, but if we want to get a line to the Datapa Council we basically have two options.
1. Send a ship straight to that colony of theirs we found waving a white flag and hope they talk instead of destroying it.
2. Start treating any CDF ships we encounter as pirates until their government is forced to talk to us to legitimize their own ships.
While it's non canon or anything the novelization of Encounter at Farpoint lists McCoy as retiring in 2354. A full decade before his tour of the Enterprise-D. Of course that still means he was an Admiral at 127 which Sulu is quite a way off.
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In any event, there's a lot of fudge factor involving this issue.
It's quite possible Sulu has forty or fifty years of active life ahead of him, but MOST of our senior human admirals have been retiring in their sixties and seventies, and canon posts by Oneiros include Katsuragi reflecting on how being seventy-ish really is pretty old.
So I wouldn't assume that Sulu's active career is going to last more than, oh, another decade. Sure, maybe he'll be physically and mentally fit for command in 2340 or whatever, but institutional bureaucratic pressures are going to be in play.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
I'm sure I can't be the only one who is thinking this having seen the Cardassian fleet strength that we need to, and forgive my French, find a way to nip these fuckers in the bud. Unfortunately we currently lack the strength to do this convincingly. Now I'm not saying that once we have a stronger fleet backbone that we should see about goading them into a disadvantageous confrontation, but...
Way, way back someone (I forget who or I would credit) posted a speculation about the Cardassians that I am convinced more than ever is the truth.
That is, the current situation will continue until all the minor species in the border area between us have been discovered and induced to join side or the other. Once that happens, the Cardassians will roll up and open diplomatic relations and propose formal borders and that sort of thing.
That is, the current situation will continue until all the minor species in the border area between us have been discovered and induced to join side or the other. Once that happens, the Cardassians will roll up and open diplomatic relations and propose formal borders and that sort of thing.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
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Is it too late to say I really was just joking?
It just seems odd that we're naming an Excelsior after the 2nd new full member instead of the first.
On the other hand, I don't think the Amarkians will feel slighted, since they're still busy building their Rialas, and for all we know, they could be planning to name their new ship Aelin.
Not that that precludes us from naming a Starfleet vessel Aelin - it wouldn't be the first time we've had conflicting ship names with affiliates. There's the USS Endurance and the RDS Endurance after all (though no doubt sound different in their own languages, unless universal translator shenanigans).
Now, on the Betazoid naming, it's unfortunate that Betazoid history isn't expanded on much in Star Trek AFAIK to give us more possible names. Same could be said for most races we have met and will meet.
Maybe we should just come up with our own history and names. Like, just say that some great Betazoid figure was named Bob or something.
This is my Rixx reference by the way.
It's also a reference to the Sacred Chalice of Rixx, which is a canon show thing. Could also name it Avandar, the first Betazoid ship to break lightspeed.
It's also a reference to the Sacred Chalice of Rixx, which is a canon show thing. Could also name it Avandar, the first Betazoid ship to break lightspeed.
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If it affects matters, the Betazed orbital shipyard is also named for Rixx.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
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I like Avandar over Rixx, especially because Avandar was actually a ship.
I'm not going to vote on the names though.
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in Ana Font Shipyard
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
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Right, more reason to choose a different Betazoid name IMO.
Okay, I am going to edit my vote to Avandar, since as you say it was actually a ship and I picked Rixx rather quickly.
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Gardener of Human Happiness
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[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in Ana Font Shipyard
[X][NAME1] Odyssey
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
[X][NAME1] Odyssey
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
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- Laniakea Supercluster
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[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in Ana Font Shipyard
[X][NAME1] Diversity
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
As I may have mentioned last time around, Odyssey is literally the most generic milquetoast name in the history of Federation starship naming.
[X][NAME1] Diversity
[X][NAME2] Avandar
[X] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
[X][BUILD] Excelsior, 6 Constitutions, Renaissance Prototype
As I may have mentioned last time around, Odyssey is literally the most generic milquetoast name in the history of Federation starship naming.
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That was me.
The question is whether we should play along with the Cardassians' game, or force them to talk to us sooner. The former is probably the safer option for avoiding war, but it comes at the cost of letting them continue the terrorism and sabotage against us that we're getting REALLY sick of.
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@OneirosTheWriter - is it possible for us to change the four Centaur's being built now to the Centaur-A refit design? Given they're both still being built, it should be both cheaper to have them refit right now and less time consuming than doing so when finished.
They should all be Centaur-As already.
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You'll get the vote before the Captain's Log post.
They were delayed until the refit design was available to allow them to be built with the refit.
Thanks. I was wondering as those four ships building were classed as Centaur, and another ship being at Utopia was called Centaur-A.
