At the very least, the Andorians had been concerned enough to suggest sending their ships in. The Caldonia issues must've been big news for them, perhaps even moreso than the Licori and GBZ that haven't been due to distance.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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We researched colony cores, which probably significantly impacted the lives of people on smaller colonies? There was that plague the Fiiral and Seyek had to deal with, which might have caused a bit of a media hysteria, as might reports about the biophage flaring up again?
You have no idea how pleased I am that Canada McLaren got elected for precisely this reason
Although there is some precedent IRL, certainly it is weird.More to the point: I imagined Canada McLaren as like, a very personally popular politician who is none-the-less the head of a party or faction that overall isn't very popular. If you're Canadian this is something like a Jack Layton; if American Bernie Sanders probably roughly fits this mould. Other countries sorry but I am sure you can think of a similar example. Celos was already Ascenion-leaning giving McLaren a good ground game to work with. Once shorn of his party baggage he became instantly more appealing to moderates, which no doubt is what propelled him upwards.
I imagine the mercantilists were over the moon when they secured him as a candidate.
Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
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While this is true, the example of the Ittick-ka having the random roll lands on them leads me to think that the Sotaw will eventually have some diplomatic attention paid to them regardless of our opinion. 2320s Diplomacy, when it finishes in a few years, will exacerbate this trend because we'll be generating another 2 rolls per Snakepit.
I am intrigued by the Ittick-ka, mind you. Almost enough to want to drop a push on them and see what the mini-report says about them.
No point. They're already at the affiliate threshold and the narrative makes it clear that it's the Sydraxian situation holding them up.
Winged One
Not the Simurgh
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President? Him? Please.Absolutely not
No rest until Stesk-senpai is the President.
Do you have any idea how much influence he'd have to give up to be President?
aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
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Oh, and we got the Precursor data from Stargazer that massively improved rare material synthesis throughout our area of influence. The Stargazer mission itself is probably boosting Expansionist feelings just by continuing on as it has.
Omake - Cardassian Quest - SakSak
SakSak
Unbound
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- The Cold Wastes of the North
Meanwhile, in Cardassia Quest...
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Yann Tsolo:
"WELP!"
Pufferfishy:
"How!? This was a low-risk intel op on Sydraxia, using ideologically assimilated locals as assets, why is Starfleet there!? I'm calling shenanigans."
known_login:
"Obviously, someone tattled on our sydraxian friends side. That's the problem with using alien assets, we can never be certain precisely how loyal or competent they are."
Yann Tsolo:
"It was going to be so beautiful. A Sydraxian civil war, depleting their assets and resources, devastating their infrastructure, just before the Federation swoops in with their bullshit-tier Diplomacy. While we'd loose the Sydraxians, we knew that was an inevitability sooner rather than later, and this way we'd force the Federation to basically rebuild an interstellar civilization from scratch instead of focusing forces on us because of their bleeding hearts syndrome. But then this had to happen."
MeagreMomentum:
"Did no one take a look on the details? Notice how the Federation assets aren't some light intel gathering units and infiltrators like we suspected had to be operating there; The Federation brought Heavy Assault Teams along with technical specialists."
Yann Tsolo:
"No way we missed assets like that operating on Sydraxia for any period of time."
known_login:
"Which means something even worse. We already knew this Starfleet isn't an idealistic pacifist explorer corp, but rather a force with actual teeth. With this move they've displayed a dangerous capability for intelligence ops (or is it counter-intelligence?) as well. They put together and shipped out a tailored strike unit to specifically counter this one operation."
MeagreMomentum:
"I bet it is because of Sulu. That man is a legend for a reason, and there has been signs Starfleet has been building their Intelligence apparatus in the past years. We never managed to narrow down his real speciality, but I bet Sulu has a modifier or something on intelligence work. Maybe Starfleet Explorers generate IntOps points or something."
Normal Man:
"Or luck. This could have been the result of just an extremely lucky roll on the Federation's part. Like, a critical on Intelligence, and then a major success on the actual operation. Overestimating an enemy can be just as bad as underestimating them."
Pufferfishy:
"Regardless. This happened. Where do we go from here?"
known_login:
"Loosing the Sydraxians intact to the Federation sphere of influence is a blow, but not a critical one. This whole thing was intended as a move to buy time anyway. We still have several other allies, our weapons R&D is running along, and just go take a look at Shipdesign thread to see exactly what they're cooking up for the next few years."
Normal Man:
"The Gabriel zone has really been a boon, we needed those mines for our expanded shipbuilding. Now we just need to keep them operational for a couple of years. If we previously estimated we can beat the Starfleet task force in 2-3 years, we now either need to strike before the Sydraxians are admitted as proper members to the Federation and they get their fleets (risking the battle since we don't have comfortable numbers with our existing fleet and interior sector backups) , or delay a few years longer. Once their border is open, sneaky backstabbins on their entire core sectors can proceed in force since we loose that pesky negative modifier on sabotage actions. As the Federation fleet core is here and not on their homeworlds where they should have only light garrisons, overrunning their starbases and planets one by one is still a fully viable strategy."
MeagreMomentum:
"All in all, we should have the Federation issue handled in 10 years at most, maybe sooner depending on if their various members can surrender independently. Our biggest challenge yet, but honestly I expected nothing less. I mean, it's the bloody Federation, the protagonists of the canon. They haven't been a pushover and I like that."
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Basically, I had the idea of "what if the Sydraxian civil war we barely averted was actually a Cardassian Scorched Earth plot" since they know they're loosing the diplo battle there, and ran with it.
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Widow Null
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The Horizon did trigger a threat level increase. People are thinking about them somewhere.
Thread discussions about major development policies for Starfleet are probably reflected in the larger federation; the second Aux yard was a thing. Our discussions of a second UP-style yard are probably rumblings through the popular press.
I feel like it should have had some effect since that basically doubled the amount of known major powers in a couple of years. I think we had a threat level bump in that time too? But yeah it's probably still lowkey since there hasn't been enough direct contact.
I have a list of possible sites and plans I should flesh out into a real thing.
The Gaeni one is, well, it's dynamically stable and requires no new science.
Don't touch that switch what holds up the station, yeah? Also, it handles explosions poorly.
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I have missed seeing some negaverse for this quest. I love this, and I love to see their miscalculations.
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while gretarian (hope i wrote that right) might already be in i would like that just a bit more solid
ittick-ka i feel as no real rush
and why not try for some diplomatic pressure on ether side or the R/K war
along the line of yes we see your war and raise you a shifting border. with out firing a shot!
ps as soon as we get a chance i would love someone to go south and see what is there
I would imagine some of the outlying minor member worlds must have some mix, they're just administratively lumped under UE or the Andorians or w/e.
Honestly Earth should have a good chance to elect an alien as well.
If not maybe we'll have a nice Caitian/Human colony in the GBZ!
By then we form a member fleet ball of probably 300C ....
Pretty sure Earth is still 99.9% human. Start with a few billion people, have a few hundred thousand aliens move there*, and they're still just a drop in the bucket.
You have a lot better odds on a smaller world where immigration can actually change the demographics.
*A high estimate. There just aren't enough passenger ships and transports to move all that many people per year.
The implicit assumption is that humans are gonna vote humans. Counterpoint: T'Lorel or Nash would probably do really well, if not win as candidates.
You're right. Clearly the only logical presidency for the Pacifists is to elevate the Risa councilor when that party planet gets assimilated to our Federation. Everything else is just biding their time...
Did we send a media presence along with them? I thought we did. They must have been sending stuff back for public viewing in the background.
How about the odds of Solitude electing a "seamstress" to their slot? Would she be a scandalous "Vulcan" Hawk councilor?
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A little more political analysis: a lot depends on who picked what councilors got to go to the Orion asscession. I notice that there's some assumption Stesek and Langford were being snubbed.
If N'Gir picked the councilors personally or from a short-list, this is likely true. It's also full-up campaigning. As has been noted by someone else (AMT? I forgot who) there's a lot of seats up for grabs in the joining affiliates. N'Gir was, in hindsight, kind of a genius choice for Development in this regard, and probably why they overlooked her political inexperience. She demonstrates that Development isn't interested in playing the same old games of the original Four members or that the Federation Council is a Coalition of Planets club in all but name. This is going to make her party very appealing to the new members, and put Development ahead of the curve RE: the other parties. Making them bend to her will and send new members, while unambiguously dickish, will still send a message to new member voters -- I am willing to play hardball on your behalf.
On the other hand, if Stesek and Langford had the opportunity to go but chose instead to send new-member representatives, particularly the Expansionist Amarki, it shows they've learned from Development and are starting to play their game as well. The Seyek and Caldonian and other affiliates are a big GBZ of potential votes, and Development has thus far been playing the role of Ainsworth. Now the other parties going to be angling to get the initiative back, probably by copying Development tactics.
So there's two ways to read the absence of Stesek and Langford, entirely depending on a minor procedural thing we don't know about -- either N'Gir snubbed them to send a message to upcoming and current New Members, OR Ex and Pacifists willingly sent New Member councilors as they learn and adapt to Development's tactics.
If N'Gir picked the councilors personally or from a short-list, this is likely true. It's also full-up campaigning. As has been noted by someone else (AMT? I forgot who) there's a lot of seats up for grabs in the joining affiliates. N'Gir was, in hindsight, kind of a genius choice for Development in this regard, and probably why they overlooked her political inexperience. She demonstrates that Development isn't interested in playing the same old games of the original Four members or that the Federation Council is a Coalition of Planets club in all but name. This is going to make her party very appealing to the new members, and put Development ahead of the curve RE: the other parties. Making them bend to her will and send new members, while unambiguously dickish, will still send a message to new member voters -- I am willing to play hardball on your behalf.
On the other hand, if Stesek and Langford had the opportunity to go but chose instead to send new-member representatives, particularly the Expansionist Amarki, it shows they've learned from Development and are starting to play their game as well. The Seyek and Caldonian and other affiliates are a big GBZ of potential votes, and Development has thus far been playing the role of Ainsworth. Now the other parties going to be angling to get the initiative back, probably by copying Development tactics.
So there's two ways to read the absence of Stesek and Langford, entirely depending on a minor procedural thing we don't know about -- either N'Gir snubbed them to send a message to upcoming and current New Members, OR Ex and Pacifists willingly sent New Member councilors as they learn and adapt to Development's tactics.
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Counterpoint: the majority of the aliens on Earth are likely either Starfleet, retired Starfleet, descendants of Starfleet personnel, or the same for major Federation agencies, and thus their average level of skill and qualification and familiarity with the political processes of the Federation is extremely high compared to the general population.
lbmaian
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It helps.
But - and this isn't your fault, just the nature of the beast - these fleet distribution plans are getting so large and hard to grok and it's just going to get worse as our fleet gets larger and our production keeps expanding, that I may just bow out of voting for these things period.
Unless somehow any good variations in the base plan are put into task votes ala Nix's research plans, which is much easier said than done.
Hm... would Mars possibly be the largest alien demographic percentage-wise among the major worlds of UE? I mean, all the industry Starfleet plunked down, bringing all sorts of races along with our expansion.
Of course, on the other hand, the upcoming Mars election could be Rogers vs Kahurangi.
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Thors_Alumni
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Wait! What are Rogers and Kahurangi doing now?
Retirement, followed by consultancy, followed by politics.
I have to say, it'd be real hard for Rogers to run for office after being run out of Starfleet in disgrace.