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chriswriter90 said:
Ok, seriously. Why?

As Ibmaian pointed out, Swarmer vs Stinger is a one-sided slaughter that we don't learn anything from.

Doing nothing would have been more productive than Swarmer vs Stinger.

The fleet battle would have been an expensive gamble but this is just a waste of 2pp.
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Well, as Briefvoice alludes to, it's a vote to save pp for min-maxing profit. The war game itself was unimportant; the whole point was to save pp. Understandable, but disappointing and unimaginative nonetheless.

I do feel that the vote as it is currently structured is flawed, because it's very unclear what we're getting out of the war games. It's conflating two purposes: testing out and providing examples of the combat engine, and some vague narrative benefit, with a sharp jump of pp price on anything above a 2v2 battle.

It's clear that it does provide benefits, since last year's T'Mir vs Betazed provided concrete mechanical bonuses in addition to narrative...although the way it translated into gameplay wasn't exactly coherent (for ex, I would've expected war support changes due to it... then again, the whole war support mechanism wasn't dynamic enough in general).

But the uncertainty on how that benefit is realized results in a Sousa Deal-like situation, although to a lesser extent due to lesser importance. That is, voters can agonize over what would be a proper and beneficial war game for the pp cost, and then potentially get salty if the benefits don't align with their expectations. Remember how extra salty certain unnamed individuals got when the Yrillian trade Sousa Deal went kaput?

This does remind me...

@OneirosTheWriter, this has been asked before but I'll ask again: do ships that participate in war games gain experience?
 
CeBrudras said:
As someone who is both a snob and a weaboo I would love to get a race referencing "Legend of the Galactic Heroes" integrated into the setting, but the franchise doesnt really have anything weird enough to be used as hat :(
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Write Omakes with LoGH inspired officers in them?
 
lbmaian said:
Well, as Briefvoice alludes to, it's a vote to save pp for min-maxing profit. The war game itself was unimportant; the whole point was to save pp. Understandable, but disappointing and unimaginative nonetheless.

I do feel that the vote as it is currently structured is flawed, because it's very unclear what we're getting out of the war games. It's conflating two purposes: testing out and providing examples of the combat engine, and some vague narrative benefit, with a sharp jump of pp price on anything above a 2v2 battle.

It's clear that it does provide benefits, since last year's T'Mir vs Betazed provided concrete mechanical bonuses in addition to narrative...although the way it translated into gameplay wasn't exactly coherent (for ex, I would've expected war support changes due to it... then again, the whole war support mechanism wasn't dynamic enough in general).

But the uncertainty on how that benefit is realized results in a Sousa Deal-like situation, although to a lesser extent due to lesser importance. That is, voters can agonize over what would be a proper and beneficial war game for the pp cost, and then potentially get salty if the benefits don't align with their expectations. Remember how extra salty certain unnamed individuals got when the Yrillian trade Sousa Deal went kaput?

This does remind me...

@OneirosTheWriter, this has been asked before but I'll ask again: do ships that participate in war games gain experience?
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It's not something I've had as a consideration.
 
I'd like to point out that Oneiros and the thread as a whole have an extremely good track record with completely original species like the Gaeni, the Apiata, the Yrillians, and in my honest opinion probably the Amarki (I've looked up the Abh and there isn't that much resemblance beyond the superficial).

I'm not sure I want to try and tip the balance further over towards "this is an X reference" species at the expense of giving free rein for independent ideas.
 
Simon_Jester said:
I'd like to point out that Oneiros and the thread as a whole have an extremely good track record with completely original species like the Gaeni, the Apiata, the Yrillians, and in my honest opinion probably the Amarki (I've looked up the Abh and there isn't that much resemblance beyond the superficial).

I'm not sure I want to try and tip the balance further over towards "this is an X reference" species at the expense of giving free rein for independent ideas.
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Simon_Jester said:
I'd like to point out that Oneiros and the thread as a whole have an extremely good track record with completely original species like the Gaeni, the Apiata, the Yrillians, and in my honest opinion probably the Amarki (I've looked up the Abh and there isn't that much resemblance beyond the superficial).

I'm not sure I want to try and tip the balance further over towards "this is an X reference" species at the expense of giving free rein for independent ideas.
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Do the examples I brought up have a resemblance beyond the superficial?

Also, the Apiata totally count as a reference in my opinion. Your inspiration doesnt need to be fictional to count as a reference.
 
AKuz said:
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I considered this, but it probably wouldn't be a good fit.

Yang was forced into the military when his college's funding fell through, otherwise he would be happy as a historian. College funding is not going anywhere in the Federation!
There is no all-powerful, lecherous Kaiser to seize Reinhard's sister Annerose, to light a flame of righteous anger in him leading to his seizure of power. Nor would the patronage of that Kaiser be available to make him an Admiral in his early 20's.
I suppose one could just say that such brilliant persons would be naturally attracted to Starfleet instead of needing any other motivation.


I'll also say I still feel spoiled by Simon_Jester's writing in SDNW4 over on SD.net years back, where he had those heroes pop up again. ;) I don't feel the urge to recapture that magic, yet...
 
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Captain's Log - 2315.Q4.M2
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    • Bridge Transcript, USS Atuin, Stardate 25821.4 - Captain Vol Chad

    [Yan-Ros Ranger Team 37 Leader Rinidy] Starfleet, perfect! We really need you guys to help deal with a major threat to the galaxy that our Honiani friends have identified.

    [Captain Vol Chad] If there is a threat out there, we're happy to work together to protect the innocents of both our people. What do you require?

    [Rinidy] Oh, it's easy, no big thing.

    [Capt Vol Chad] Anything specific, Ranger?

    [Rinidy] You just kinda need to get eaten.

    [Capt Vol Chad] I need to get eaten?

    [Rinidy] You? Don't be silly, that wouldn't help. I mean your ship.

    [Capt Vol Chad] ...maybe you should dock your runabout and come discuss this with us.

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    Captain's Log, USS Cheron, Stardate 25821.7

    Passing cargo ships are reported a standoff between two Yrillian carryall not far from the border by Vega, and we responded. After discovering that there was an inter-clan dispute that was devolving quickly, we offered to mediate for them, and were able to successfully bring about an amicable resolution.

    [Gain +10pp, +25 with Yrillians]

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    Captain's Log, USS Stargazer, Stardate 25822.1

    Fleet Command has detached us to investigate subspace wakes being picked up on long range sensors. Ideally, we can encounter some new faces who are less interested in trying to finagle the decking out from under our feet.

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    Captain's Log, USS Kearsage, Stardate 25822.4

    Subspace comms have been lit up like wildfire. A Gretarian colony world is experiencing a terrible pandemic. After receiving clearance from the Rear Admiral, we are crossing over to render aid. Needless to say, this is potentially a massive moment for testing the Treaty of Celos, and an in for approaching the Gretarians, and potentially even the Sydraxians.

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    Captain's Log, USS Odyssey, Stardate 25822.9

    After returning to exploratory missions, we have encountered what appears to be a useful pocket of starship quality duranium. However, it appears to be currently locked into a naturally occurring quantum bubble. We are endeavouring to find and collapse the source.

    [Gain +25br]

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    Captain's Log, USS Valiant, Stardate 25823.4

    A powerful electron-flux has been discovered deep within the Parthenon IV gas giant. Our science officers haven't seen its like, but we believe we are close to unlocking its causes. The current leading theory is that the convection near the 'soupy' core between two material layers is leading to the energy field.

    [Gain +10rp]

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    Captain's Log, USS Atuin, Stardate 25824.2

    Apparently the crystal cosmozoa that we have been encountering recently has a big daddy macrocosmozoa out there. And when I say macro I mean this thing is the biggest single entity Starfleet has ever encountered, including the Doomsday cosmozoa. And its sailing at low-warp out of the core, passing towards local space. Right, well. Cracked, hare-brained schemes may be better than no scheme at all. Maybe we can slow it down long enough for Starfleet to summon a task force.

    -

    Captain's Log, USS Stargazer, Stardate 25824.5

    We have met a bombastic but friendly species known as the Tofii. Noted for their all over fawn-coloured fur and longer ears. On our recommendation, Fleet Command is bringing the fleet to their homeworld of Peri, and we hope to have our rest proper relaxation since the start of our voyage. I know my family is looking forward to some time on solid ground.

    [Gain +10pp]

    -

    Captain's Log, USS Kearsage, Stardate 25825.1

    We are well on the way to producing a vaccine but ... our public affairs have not gone to plan. Hostility between ourselves and a Hasque captained by what Starfleet Intelligence tells me is an old Red hardliner, has scared the Gretarians. Our efforts towards a cure are still helping however, and we are not losing ground. I am afraid that an opportunity may have been lost here.

    [Gain +10rp, +5 relations with Gretarians]

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    Bridge Transcript, USS Atuin, Stardate 25826.3

    [Helm] We're through the maw, Captain.

    [Capt Vol Chad] Alright, Tactical, stand by to begin phaser drill on the interior dorsal plate.

    [Tactical] Ready, Captain.

    [Capt Vol Chad] Ranger Rinidy, we're about to begin, we should have a large enough hole for your runabout to push through shortly.

    [Ranger Rinidy] Great! My team is ready to go, we'll fight through the internal defences and isolate the nervous system junctions within thirty minutes.

    [Capt Vol Chad] And not a minute more, or our shield won't be able to hold back these digestive forces.

    [Ranger Rinidy] Tch, don't sound like such a grumpy old man.

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    Captain's Log, USS Atuin, Stardate 25827.4

    So that happened.

    I'm not sure how well I can explain what 'that' was, however. A terribly dangerous threat has been neutralised via ... I think unorthodox surgery is the best term I can come up with. With the help of Yan-Ros Rangers and a Honiani runabout team with nerves of woznium alloy, we we now have a chance to investigate these creature and maybe find out what has been happening here.

    [Gain +10rp, +25 relations with Yan-Ros, +10 relations with Honiani]

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    • Simon_Jester said:
    I'd like to point out that Oneiros and the thread as a whole have an extremely good track record with completely original species like the Gaeni, the Apiata, the Yrillians, and in my honest opinion probably the Amarki (I've looked up the Abh and there isn't that much resemblance beyond the superficial).

    I'm not sure I want to try and tip the balance further over towards "this is an X reference" species at the expense of giving free rein for independent ideas.
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    Well, when I get a good idea for a Star Trekky original species, I can go for it. The complicating factor is that I'm restricted from just one-shot my species as easily as the actual Star Trek writers could - I need to go back to them, so I always need to have a fuller concept of what to do, and I usually have only a day or so to come up with it. Now, I've had a lot of suggestions for different species, but I don't always feel the "Trek" vibe in all of them, the whacky utopian vision with big bads and rubber foreheads and limited budgets, where the Preservers humanoided left right and centre, so that doesn't always help.

    Sometimes I hit the mark I want, sometimes, ehhhhh.
     
    KlavoHunter said:
    I considered this, but it probably wouldn't be a good fit.

    Yang was forced into the military when his college's funding fell through, otherwise he would be happy as a historian. College funding is not going anywhere in the Federation!

    There is no all-powerful, lecherous Kaiser to seize Reinhard's sister Annerose, to light a flame of righteous anger in him leading to his seizure of power. Nor would the patronage of that Kaiser be available to make him an Admiral in his early 20's.
    I suppose one could just say that such brilliant persons would be naturally attracted to Starfleet instead of needing any other motivation.
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    I have ideas about where both of them could go (not Starfleet) and suddenly I'm not sure I should say because I might want to write the omake.
     
    that sounded like fun!
    so any chance of the stats being updated anytime soon?
    there is lots of relation schip booting going around and i would like too know how close or not some of the outer groups are!

    i`ll say it again i am all for a massive diplomatic run with some side building going on (small shipyards, a base or outpost, teck team must have, intel would be nice.
    also next turn ship building if and when we get the chance maybe a bit more science and resource/ colony ship/ traders
     
    OneirosTheWriter said:
    Well, when I get a good idea for a Star Trekky original species, I can go for it. The complicating factor is that I'm restricted from just one-shot my species as easily as the actual Star Trek writers could - I need to go back to them, so I always need to have a fuller concept of what to do, and I usually have only a day or so to come up with it. Now, I've had a lot of suggestions for different species, but I don't always feel the "Trek" vibe in all of them, the whacky utopian vision with big bads and rubber foreheads and limited budgets, where the Preservers humanoided left right and centre, so that doesn't always help.

    Sometimes I hit the mark I want, sometimes, ehhhhh.
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    What I've noticed seems to work very well is when a species' hat lends itself to long-running problems. Like the Seyek's hat is the two species polity, which leads to the Seyek-Fiiral tensions. Or the Caldonians hat of science=political power leads to pseudoscience as political protest. Contrast with the Indorians, whose hat is being good engineers, but that never really turned into a larger plot point so our Indorian events have always been sort of generic, and they don't get a lot of focus.
     
    OneirosTheWriter said:
    Well, when I get a good idea for a Star Trekky original species, I can go for it. The complicating factor is that I'm restricted from just one-shot my species as easily as the actual Star Trek writers could - I need to go back to them, so I always need to have a fuller concept of what to do, and I usually have only a day or so to come up with it. Now, I've had a lot of suggestions for different species, but I don't always feel the "Trek" vibe in all of them, the whacky utopian vision with big bads and rubber foreheads and limited budgets, where the Preservers humanoided left right and centre, so that doesn't always help.

    Sometimes I hit the mark I want, sometimes, ehhhhh.
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    Now, what would happen if Starfleet encounters a sane Zerg-like organism?
     
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    OneirosTheWriter said:
    [Capt Vol Chad] I need to get eaten?

    [Rinidy] You? Don't be silly, that wouldn't help. I mean your ship.

    [Capt Vol Chad] ...maybe you should dock your runabout and come discuss this with us.
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    The Yan-Ros have such a delightfully chill attitude towards the galaxy.

    Captain's Log, USS Cheron, Stardate 25821.7

    Passing cargo ships are reported a standoff between two Yrillian carryall not far from the border by Vega, and we responded. After discovering that there was an inter-clan dispute that was devolving quickly, we offered to mediate for them, and were able to successfully bring about an amicable resolution.

    [Gain +10pp, +25 with Yrillians]
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    Goodness, we've gone like a decade since our last regular Event-based contact with the Yrillians, and here the table is throwing up another at us.


    Captain's Log, USS Atuin, Stardate 25824.2

    Apparently the crystal cosmozoa that we have been encountering recently has a big daddy macrocosmozoa out there. And when I say macro I mean this thing is the biggest single entity Starfleet has ever encountered, including the Doomsday cosmozoa. And its sailing at low-warp out of the core, passing towards local space. Right, well. Cracked, hare-brained schemes may be better than no scheme at all. Maybe we can slow it down long enough for Starfleet to summon a task force.
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    Bigger than the 11,000 mile long protozoa encountered in The Immunity Syndrome?

    (An aside... I forget that an entire inhabited planet got eaten in that one!)

    Captain's Log, USS Kearsage, Stardate 25825.1

    We are well on the way to producing a vaccine but ... our public affairs have not gone to plan. Hostility between ourselves and a Hasque captained by what Starfleet Intelligence tells me is an old Red hardliner, has scared the Gretarians. Our efforts towards a cure are still helping however, and we are not losing ground. I am afraid that an opportunity may have been lost here.

    [Gain +10rp, +5 relations with Gretarians]
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    And only our second regular Event contact with the Gretarians as well. Where you been the last decade and change, Gretarian events? Reading between the lines, seems like the Kearsage made the Science roll to treat the plague but failed the Presence role to dramatically change the diplomatic situation.

    Still, it at least proved we can have contact with the Gretarians without it immediately devolving into war.

    [Ranger Rinidy] Great! My team is ready to go, we'll fight through the internal defences and isolate the nervous system junctions within thirty minutes.

    [Capt Vol Chad] And not a minute more, or our shield won't be able to hold back these digestive forces.

    [Ranger Rinidy] Tch, don't sound like such a grumpy old man.
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    It sure is interesting to have someone else telling Vol Chad to have a more relaxed attitude!

    Anyway, this was another spectacular month as far as rewards go.

    20 pp
    30 rp
    25 br
    +25 with Yrillians (now well above 300)
    +5 with Gretarians
    +25 with Yan-Ros
    +10 with Honiani
     
    Nervos Belli said:
    What I've noticed seems to work very well is when a species' hat lends itself to long-running problems. Like the Seyek's hat is the two species polity, which leads to the Seyek-Fiiral tensions. Or the Caldonians hat of science=political power leads to pseudoscience as political protest. Contrast with the Indorians, whose hat is being good engineers, but that never really turned into a larger plot point so our Indorian events have always been sort of generic, and they don't get a lot of focus.
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    The Indorians also had a thing where originally they were very cold-blooded pragmatists who signed up with the Federation purely because they thought it cut them a better deal. We've seen some hints with their past tensions with the Apiata and their current concerns with Seyek Membership that they're very concerned about anything that might impinge on "I got mine".
     
    Will the Cardassian's like the Yan-Ros/Honiani Federation teams that pay their installations a visit, doing like the Federation team that visited a certain moon with a laser?
     
    OneirosTheWriter said:
    Passing cargo ships are reported a standoff between two Yrillian carryall not far from the border by Vega, and we responded. After discovering that there was an inter-clan dispute that was devolving quickly, we offered to mediate for them, and were able to successfully bring about an amicable resolution.
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    ... have ...

    OneirosTheWriter said:
    We have met a bombastic but friendly species known as the Tofii. Noted for their all over fawn-coloured fur and longer ears. On our recommendation, Fleet Command is bringing the fleet to their homeworld of Peri, and we hope to have our rest proper relaxation since the start of our voyage. I know my family is looking forward to some time on solid ground.
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    ... first ...

    OneirosTheWriter said:
    I'm not sure how well I can explain what 'that' was, however. A terribly dangerous threat has been neutralised via ... I think unorthodox surgery is the best term I can come up with. With the help of Yan-Ros Rangers and a Honiani runabout team with nerves of woznium alloy, we we now have a chance to investigate these creature and maybe find out what has been happening here.
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    ... this ... (or these creatures)
     
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