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- Peterborough, NH, USA
Er, what? What about the Treaty of Celos? We can't do the Sydraxians until that's taken care of. Now, if the Sydraxians decide to leave Cardassian affiliation of their own accord, well, then they're free game.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Er, what? What about the Treaty of Celos? We can't do the Sydraxians until that's taken care of. Now, if the Sydraxians decide to leave Cardassian affiliation of their own accord, well, then they're free game.
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Correct for the Ashinid, the Obar made first contact with the Honiani with Zhang along for the ride, we haven't encountered them directly yet but they are probably somewhere corewards of them. If we had grid squares for either of them they would be on the map.
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That is why said if we are lucky and the Sydraxians leave the Pact at which point they become valid targets for diplomacy.
Night
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It's just as well he got turned into biocircuitry, then, because if he and Thuir ever met in the same place, the resulting matter-antimatter explosion would be visible from Cardassia Prime.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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- Murica
I still think a diplo push on the Ashidi is worthwhile. It wouldn't push them to affiliate status, but it means if we decide it's safe to do so we can get them as affiliates immediately. I don't think the Cardassians would invade in response to us just improving relations ,especially since they are supposedly busy on their other border.
You're thinking of the Ittik-Ka.
The Ashidi are indeed worth a push if we have points to use on pushes.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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- United States
No the Ashidi is the race we found trading with one of the Cardassian affiliates but isn't a Cardassian affiliate themselves.
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- Australia
I really need to update the species list again, don't I?
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So! I'm thinking of what other settings might work. I was thinking of a setting with lots of use of fighters, like sayy...
*Checks dirkloechel's size comparison chart*
Hmmm. EVE Online, Freespace, X3, Macross, Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, or even, dare I say it, Star Wars.
Personally, I'd think that a polity would have to have specific set of techs to have starfighters be viable in Star Trek. Here's what I am thinking.
-Since tiny underpowered fighters can't generally fight at warp, some sort of Warp Interdiction tech would be needed, so everyone fights using Impulse
-Since tiny underpowered fighters probably shouldn't be able to scratch super big ships without centuries of tech on them, like what happened in that one time episode in Voyager, the fighters (at the very least, Strike Fighters and Bombers) should probably be, essentially, long-range delivery systems for M/AM torpedoes (like in Wing Commander or Freespace and a few others)
-Since even that is a bit iffy, they probably need some mechanism of punching through shields. Maybe like in Wing Commander where the bomber specifically has to get a very long lock and guide the torpedo through the shield, to bypass it
-Since the big ships in this setting are actually uncommonly accurate with the directed energy weapons, some sort of powerful ECM that makes targeting difficult... but only targeting SMALL ships difficult, is probably viable
Which fighter-heavy settings could pull this off?
*Checks dirkloechel's size comparison chart*
Hmmm. EVE Online, Freespace, X3, Macross, Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, or even, dare I say it, Star Wars.
Personally, I'd think that a polity would have to have specific set of techs to have starfighters be viable in Star Trek. Here's what I am thinking.
-Since tiny underpowered fighters can't generally fight at warp, some sort of Warp Interdiction tech would be needed, so everyone fights using Impulse
-Since tiny underpowered fighters probably shouldn't be able to scratch super big ships without centuries of tech on them, like what happened in that one time episode in Voyager, the fighters (at the very least, Strike Fighters and Bombers) should probably be, essentially, long-range delivery systems for M/AM torpedoes (like in Wing Commander or Freespace and a few others)
-Since even that is a bit iffy, they probably need some mechanism of punching through shields. Maybe like in Wing Commander where the bomber specifically has to get a very long lock and guide the torpedo through the shield, to bypass it
-Since the big ships in this setting are actually uncommonly accurate with the directed energy weapons, some sort of powerful ECM that makes targeting difficult... but only targeting SMALL ships difficult, is probably viable
Which fighter-heavy settings could pull this off?
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Honestly I don't think it's worth the effort to make fighters fit into the setting. Fighters have never been a natural fit for Star Trek's core "Wagon Train to the Stars" concept. "Torpedo boat" ships like the Defiant and the Jem'Hadar bug are about as far as you can really push the concept before it becomes kind of... alien to the setting.
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
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Those poor Peregrines never get any love.
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Night
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We did once have a big discussion about Runabouts-as-Backfires, hauling specialized long-range torpedoes and using the enemy having to evade their weapons as cover for their escape. The other thing that fighter-like craft would be really good at, mind, would be holding back until an enemy ship's shields go down and then swarming it to rack up damage and Wild Weasel on subsystems, since they can get close and target individual weapons and emitters more accurately. A doctrine based on a mothership deploying shuttle-like fighters to disable shieldless ships would be unique, if nothing else, and the answers as to why they opt to fight this way would be fascinating. Before that they give it the ability to launch a strike a couple lightyears out.
(With that discussion as a model, the most likely answer is probably Macross. VFs with heavy missiles on the wing hardpoints, low-warp, shoot and scoot, return for rearm to motherships or planetary bases. Once the enemy ship has shields down and lost some combat, go in with lighter weapons and guns to disable it.)
(With that discussion as a model, the most likely answer is probably Macross. VFs with heavy missiles on the wing hardpoints, low-warp, shoot and scoot, return for rearm to motherships or planetary bases. Once the enemy ship has shields down and lost some combat, go in with lighter weapons and guns to disable it.)
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Even Peregrines arguably just take the torpedo boat concept a little bit further. While they could conceivably be operated as one-man craft, I guess, they're not really designed that way, they're armed runabouts, not the smaller shuttles.
Night
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- Hoff
Yeah, I'm actually trying to formulate such a thing.
It's coming down to "life is cheap, starship hulls aren't" for some reason, so they prefer to capture rather than destroy. Maybe they have resource problems or something.
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- Mid-Atlantic
The thing is, even building fighters with high performance impulse drives that can catch starships sounds like it'd add up to a lot of expense, especially if you're losing them in quantity to attrition in every battle.
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
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- USoA
Tbf Star Trek isn't known for it's CIWS, it's only in NuTrek that what look's like ciws is used.
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Maybe a race like this would work?
A rodent-like (in the same way the Apiata are bee-like) race. They're furred like the Caitans with coloration ranging from black to brown or red, with the rare white or yellow one appearing every few generations, and have short rat-tails (which their scientists suspect are being phased out by their evolutionary processes similar to Earth primates). They have relatively short lifespans (60 Earth years would see a newborn become a great-grandparent or die), which they compensate for by having children in litters of 3-6 and high fertility rates. Their approach to science is the opposite of the Gaeni, that is, they take as few risks as possible, as their psychology is to throw numbers at a problem until they drown it or bull through, and work through the problems by throwing as many scientists at it as they can.
This is reflected in their ship-building, preferring large numbers of smaller craft with a few capital ships acting more like mobile fortresses or aircraft carriers than something to devote a lot of importance in battle to using as weapons. As such, they have a lot more scientists, technicians, and fighter pilots than almost anyone else on a percentage basis. They've also been working with drones and hope to develop AI technology to continue their practice of 'throw more people at it.'
I totally didn't come up with these guys because of the Biophage resurgence and mention of drones in reaction to it.
Edit: Woops, completely forgot about naming them. I'd say... The Abregi Collective, as they're inherently geared towards working as a large group, they achieved world peace in record time, as cooler heads realized that it was the best way to utilize their resources, both manpower and less sentient resources.
The Biophage made extensive use of cloaked suicide shuttles. Ramming with shuttles was also a tactic used by the Orion Syndicate. So there you go.
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- Patriarchova
There is one way that fighters could work in trek. If we encounter a race who, like the Kadeshi with their Homeworld replicators, have a very different tech base than us in a certain area. Specifically, propulsion.
In real life, aircraft carriers are a thing because planes are much faster than ships. For most Trek factions, bigger ships are also faster ships, but we could conceivably meet someone for whom the opposite is true. If their ship size is inversely correlated with speed, then they would use fighters for the same reason modern navies do.
In real life, aircraft carriers are a thing because planes are much faster than ships. For most Trek factions, bigger ships are also faster ships, but we could conceivably meet someone for whom the opposite is true. If their ship size is inversely correlated with speed, then they would use fighters for the same reason modern navies do.
I'm not Nix but we could use Starbase, Defensive Doctrine, Shields, and a second Offensive Doctrine team given that our first is likely to be used on Weapons for a long time.
I believe Nix wanted:
Starbase / Defensive Doctrine
Shields / Any
Starbase / Any
And I want:
Offensive Doctrine / Any
Those are all in addition to the Weapons / Offensive Doctrine team. Personally I would rate a second Offensive Doctrine team highly, as it lets us get started on an opening Offensive Doctrine tech, but that may be better served with a Generic Team as the tech will be 50 points in a single slide and the offensive team to take advantage of that can be delayed until it's finished. On the other hand, a Defensive Doctrine team will immediately be working on a multi-slide tech.
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