Meta-game wise, we can probably skate a bit on the requirements for CBZ, RBZ and KBZ. But in-universe, without outside knowledge, I would be more comfortable with more shipping being present on all of these borders.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Meta-game wise, we can probably skate a bit on the requirements for CBZ, RBZ and KBZ. But in-universe, without outside knowledge, I would be more comfortable with more shipping being present on all of these borders.
- Location
- Australia
1 - LBZ excludes Gaen and Betazed.
2 - At the moment, not much. They provide outposts, yes, but not enough currently to count as extra outposts. There will be some options for longer-term securing during the next political cycle.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Question: With indexing now split up into multiple columns, will omakes still get index listings at all, and if so under which heading?
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
- Location
- USoA
Funny old world - you guys have made something of a vindicated public hero out of President Arsharra N'Gir. She pushed the necessity of the war and everything pretty much went how she told the public it would. Things looking good for that second term.
Hopefully she can show Sousa some appreciation now.
She's going to be insuff-- wait she's a cat she was already insufferable.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I think my concerns about inadequately held border zones boil down to this:
The entire point of our frontier-focused defense doctrine is that keeping solid fleets in the border zones prevents us from needing strong defensive garrisons deep inside our space. We're saying that interior space is 'safe' while border space is 'risky.'
When we have border zones being held with little or no more force than we'd use for minimal garrisoning of interior sectors, we're basically saying "the borders are just as safe as the interior.' But stripping all our border zones as far as possible, in order to maximize our strength in the Gabriel Expanse, is taking the principle too far. We're saying that the only border that needs to be secured in a comprehensive way is that one.
The thing is, that isn't really true. We've spent years worrying about Klingon-Romulan conflict and its potential to spill over into our space; that's not 'safe.' While the Cardassians signed a treaty agreeing not to harass us on the CBZ, we can't just totally rule out the possibility of them doing something we'll need to respond to. The response may not even be military, it could involve random events or any of a variety of problems.
The closest we have to a 'safe' border zone is the Sydraxian Border Zone, which we can at least coherently say needs only a couple of ships.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm very glad that we have Excelsiors in all those border zones, and hopefully Excelsiors will be enough to do everything needed even with minimal support. But those borders are not in any meaningful sense 'safe,' and having only one or two ships garrisoning a stretch of border that it would take a ship a week or more to cross seems risky to me.
The entire point of our frontier-focused defense doctrine is that keeping solid fleets in the border zones prevents us from needing strong defensive garrisons deep inside our space. We're saying that interior space is 'safe' while border space is 'risky.'
When we have border zones being held with little or no more force than we'd use for minimal garrisoning of interior sectors, we're basically saying "the borders are just as safe as the interior.' But stripping all our border zones as far as possible, in order to maximize our strength in the Gabriel Expanse, is taking the principle too far. We're saying that the only border that needs to be secured in a comprehensive way is that one.
The thing is, that isn't really true. We've spent years worrying about Klingon-Romulan conflict and its potential to spill over into our space; that's not 'safe.' While the Cardassians signed a treaty agreeing not to harass us on the CBZ, we can't just totally rule out the possibility of them doing something we'll need to respond to. The response may not even be military, it could involve random events or any of a variety of problems.
The closest we have to a 'safe' border zone is the Sydraxian Border Zone, which we can at least coherently say needs only a couple of ships.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm very glad that we have Excelsiors in all those border zones, and hopefully Excelsiors will be enough to do everything needed even with minimal support. But those borders are not in any meaningful sense 'safe,' and having only one or two ships garrisoning a stretch of border that it would take a ship a week or more to cross seems risky to me.
- Location
- Australia
I'll close the vote in two hours.
Not sure how the odds on a new post are looking. Pretty exhausted at the moment, and I need to brainstorm Yet Another Species (spoiler alert
).
Not sure how the odds on a new post are looking. Pretty exhausted at the moment, and I need to brainstorm Yet Another Species (spoiler alert
).
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
I'll close the vote in two hours.
Not sure how the odds on a new post are looking. Pretty exhausted at the moment, and I need to brainstorm Yet Another Species (spoiler alert
Hmm... the Borg shouldn't require any brainstorming
- Location
- Australia
lbmaian is a Lecarre, you heard it here first guys!Hmm... the Borg shouldn't require any brainstorming
- Location
- Patriarchova
I'll close the vote in two hours.
Not sure how the odds on a new post are looking. Pretty exhausted at the moment, and I need to brainstorm Yet Another Species (spoiler alert
If you need help with a new species, I can help.
Captain's Log - 2315.Q2.M3
- Location
- Australia
Captain's Log, USS Voshov, Stardate 25862.4 - Captain Demora Sulu
It is difficult to think of more than two million tons of starship with no cloak as being potentially stealthy, but I think Starfleet has proved its point many times before that a little cleverness and a big deflector dish go a long way.
And it's going to need to, because the Voshov is headed off for a town hall meeting with some Concerned Citizens.
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Captain's Log, USS Stargazer, Stardate 25862.8 - Captain Maryam Ajam
We have arrived at the M-450 system, which is effectively a primary and a thick asteroid belt, accounting for the lack of interesting name. However, it looks like someone has picked up on the, admittedly titanic, subspace wake of the Pride of Kadesh. I have unknown ships inbound. Fleet Command is deploying additional forces to protect the mining operations, while we will meet the newcomers.
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Captain's Log, USS S'harien, Stardate 25863.1 - Captain T'Rinta
While exploring an area between Ke'Luur and Gad, we detected an unknown vessel. As there is a danger of unfamiliar mentat ships in this area, we have approached cautiously. If it is friendly, then it should still be friendly when it notices us. If it is a fleeing mentat, then it will be most surprised when it notices us.
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Captain's Log, USS Odyssey, Stardate 25863.3 - Captain Langa Mbeki
So far it has been an uneventful mission exploring-
[Comm beep]
Yes, bridge? What, no! No, tell her I'm ... away! Or-
Avoiding you, Q? I wouldn't dream of it. Computer, End Log.
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Captain's Log, USS Voshov, Stardate 25863.5
We were nearly through, but we're positive that a passing Yrillian freighter saw our subspace wake, and if we allow them to carry that sensor log into the wrong hands, it will surely reach the Obsidian Order. I'm taking an away team in a shuttle craft from the edge of the Morkadia system, to where the freighter is waiting. There we will sneak aboard and wipe the sensor logs, then slip away before anyone knows what has happened.
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Captain's Log, USS Stargazer, Stardate 25863.7
The new arrivals are ... I'm going to have to go for honesty here. They are repulsively mercantile, in a way I typically don't see out of an Orion hypercorp boardroom. Their ship is a sort of ochre crescent, and they say they are from Ferengar.
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Captain's Log, USS S'harien, Stardate 25864.2
Running somewhat counter to the recent run of results, we have made first contact with what seems to be a peaceful species with near Federation technology. They are unaffiliated with the Honiani, but are on sufficiently amicable terms.
From our discussions, they refer to themselves as the Tauni. We have learned that they are a relatively recently self-liberated species, having cast off their overlords, who have fled coreward. They are extremely reticent about these overlords, however, and I have been able to tell little.
[New species met: The Tauni, Starting Relations 75/100]
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Captain's Log, USS Stargazer, Stardate 25864.7
My warnings to Fleet Command are being heeded, but nonetheless they are still treating with these Ferengi. Resources are being traded, and we have acquired new dilithium supplies.
[Gain +10pp, +5rp]
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Captain's Log, USS Voshov, Stardate 25865.2
We have returned from the alarmingly wild and woolly waystation having successfully accomplished our mission, and have moved on. The Concerned Citizen's runabout is there at the rendezvous successfully.
[Gain +10pp, advance relationship with Sydraxian Concerned Citizens]
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Captain's Log, USS Odyssey, Stardate 25865.7
That was an experience. The Odyssey was swept across the galaxy, seeing dread threats far and wide ... kingdoms collapsed into tyranny. Saviours become overlords. The benevolent made malignant. Come to think of it, she was rather pushing a theme. But my crew has seen much, and learned much. Q eventually returned us home.
[Gain +1 Crew Rating]
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It is difficult to think of more than two million tons of starship with no cloak as being potentially stealthy, but I think Starfleet has proved its point many times before that a little cleverness and a big deflector dish go a long way.
And it's going to need to, because the Voshov is headed off for a town hall meeting with some Concerned Citizens.
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Captain's Log, USS Stargazer, Stardate 25862.8 - Captain Maryam Ajam
We have arrived at the M-450 system, which is effectively a primary and a thick asteroid belt, accounting for the lack of interesting name. However, it looks like someone has picked up on the, admittedly titanic, subspace wake of the Pride of Kadesh. I have unknown ships inbound. Fleet Command is deploying additional forces to protect the mining operations, while we will meet the newcomers.
-
Captain's Log, USS S'harien, Stardate 25863.1 - Captain T'Rinta
While exploring an area between Ke'Luur and Gad, we detected an unknown vessel. As there is a danger of unfamiliar mentat ships in this area, we have approached cautiously. If it is friendly, then it should still be friendly when it notices us. If it is a fleeing mentat, then it will be most surprised when it notices us.
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Captain's Log, USS Odyssey, Stardate 25863.3 - Captain Langa Mbeki
So far it has been an uneventful mission exploring-
[Comm beep]
Yes, bridge? What, no! No, tell her I'm ... away! Or-
Avoiding you, Q? I wouldn't dream of it. Computer, End Log.
-
Captain's Log, USS Voshov, Stardate 25863.5
We were nearly through, but we're positive that a passing Yrillian freighter saw our subspace wake, and if we allow them to carry that sensor log into the wrong hands, it will surely reach the Obsidian Order. I'm taking an away team in a shuttle craft from the edge of the Morkadia system, to where the freighter is waiting. There we will sneak aboard and wipe the sensor logs, then slip away before anyone knows what has happened.
-
Captain's Log, USS Stargazer, Stardate 25863.7
The new arrivals are ... I'm going to have to go for honesty here. They are repulsively mercantile, in a way I typically don't see out of an Orion hypercorp boardroom. Their ship is a sort of ochre crescent, and they say they are from Ferengar.
-
Captain's Log, USS S'harien, Stardate 25864.2
Running somewhat counter to the recent run of results, we have made first contact with what seems to be a peaceful species with near Federation technology. They are unaffiliated with the Honiani, but are on sufficiently amicable terms.
From our discussions, they refer to themselves as the Tauni. We have learned that they are a relatively recently self-liberated species, having cast off their overlords, who have fled coreward. They are extremely reticent about these overlords, however, and I have been able to tell little.
[New species met: The Tauni, Starting Relations 75/100]
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Captain's Log, USS Stargazer, Stardate 25864.7
My warnings to Fleet Command are being heeded, but nonetheless they are still treating with these Ferengi. Resources are being traded, and we have acquired new dilithium supplies.
[Gain +10pp, +5rp]
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Captain's Log, USS Voshov, Stardate 25865.2
We have returned from the alarmingly wild and woolly waystation having successfully accomplished our mission, and have moved on. The Concerned Citizen's runabout is there at the rendezvous successfully.
[Gain +10pp, advance relationship with Sydraxian Concerned Citizens]
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Captain's Log, USS Odyssey, Stardate 25865.7
That was an experience. The Odyssey was swept across the galaxy, seeing dread threats far and wide ... kingdoms collapsed into tyranny. Saviours become overlords. The benevolent made malignant. Come to think of it, she was rather pushing a theme. But my crew has seen much, and learned much. Q eventually returned us home.
[Gain +1 Crew Rating]
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- Location
- Australia
Vote is closed, by the way. Can I get a tally?
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 1953 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.9.2
[X] Plan Alternate Take
No. of Votes: 13
[X] Plan 2315.Q3 to 2316.Q3 Fleet Distribution
No. of Votes: 10
Total No. of Voters: 23
KlavoHunter
THOU SHALT WORSHIP NO GODS ABOVE ENTERPRISE!
Looks like we just exchanged all our Q-Cash for a crew upgrade!
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
Ferenginar
Tauni? That's only one letter off from something I'm familiar with.
Let's hope there are no parasites that give their host glowing eyes.
From one crisis into another, it seems.
Subtlety is not a trait the Q seem to possess.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Anything verging on complaints of boredom is just asking for a Q jinx - you should know better Mbeki ><
At least it ends well this time.
In Voshov's last mission, she had to investigate some sabotage. In this mission, she has to do a sneaky investigative diplomacy. A pattern?
I wonder of Sulu's "+1 to Espionage attempts" is helping out here.
Anyway, more progress on the Sydraxian plot.
Ferengi!
Huh I wonder if I can estimate how far they are from us (looks at map and previous speed estimates).
Yeah, this sounds awfully similar to Tau'ri...
- Location
- Canada
Yes. But instead of "You aren't ready to go this way", the theme was "You should be more careful with your political meddling".
Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
- Pronouns
- He/Him
+20pp, +5rp, a new species at 75/100, and Odyssey is now Blooded? Excellent!
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
That's ... not better.
Because it means the fucking Suul'ka are out there and Dominion vs Suul'ka would probably go in the Suul'ka's favor. The Siren's mind control is nasty, nasty stuff.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
- Location
- Getter Valhalla
Yaay!
- Location
- Central Standard Time
The issue I have with this is that it isn't long term. That said, it'll help with the Rennie/Kepler wave.
Potential bonus:
+X/+Y/+Z for T years, N years from
By the way, what are your thoughts on my proposed omnibus?
@Briefvoice @Simon_Jester What would you say to adding in an affiliate recruitment push / exchange programme? Ease the transition a bit.
- Location
- USA
Hah we have met the Ferengi, cool and a new race. Still want to learn more of their previous masters. Also are we going to get more info on Sydraxians now that we met with them?
Oh and Oddessy gained a level nice.
Oh and Oddessy gained a level nice.
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