Fuck, then we really have potential for some real shenanigans.

"You promised the Hand of Nash to House Ye'rf, but she has betrayed us and married instead some Amarki woman. Did you think the inferior offering of John Harriman in her place would stay me?"

*ENTIRE COMMAND OF STARFLEET BRUTALLY MURDERED TO SOME CATCHY-ASS MUSIC*

Do you really think that they'd actually be able to pull it off against a group that has Sulu, Uhura, and probably T'Lorel in it? Like, the catchy tune would get through two notes before Sulu had cut down someone in a sword duel, Uhura literally stared someone to death, and T'Lorel had them all vaporized from orbit.
 
Do you really think that they'd actually be able to pull it off against a group that has Sulu, Uhura, and probably T'Lorel in it? Like, the catchy tune would get through two notes before Sulu had cut down someone in a sword duel, Uhura literally stared someone to death, and T'Lorel had them all vaporized from orbit.
You gotta pick one to show up late in the company of a morally ambiguous ally and survive to give you enough hope to slog through the next two books.
 
You meant marriage when you asked for her hand? There must have been some confusion, but we do have a vat grown clone of her hand if you need any surplus Andorian bio samples.
 
Even if I would accept that the FDS was not as stupid as it seems to me I would still say that what the head of FDS said in the last post would be enough to declare him unfit for his post, at least in my opinion. After all instead of looking for a solution via talks he openly states the he hopes they will fall (which they almost certainly will with that attitude). Ignoring the fact that even if the emperor is incapable of enforcing a total ban he is still a powerful diplomatic player that plays a key role in Arkadian politics and would most likely be the person best positioned to help us get into talks, which makes talking with him far from a waste of time, he has shown zero inclination to actually fix the problem he has noticed by for example trying to invite the other Houses or at least establishing some contacts there. He is the fucking head of the diplomatic service - he should be the proactive one here and let us have to pick up his slack...


I mean for gods sake he should be aware that at one point we will need to come to some agreement with all the Houses anyhow if we want to enforce our agreement and I fail to see just how us winning the war would make finding partners to talk to easier.... And it being complicated is no fucking excuse for a man in his position.

And if we consider the Ultimatum, which has no chance of ever getting accepted by the Akradian government in its current form and shows a total lack of understanding of how it functions, than he either offered bad advice to the president and her advisers or our president (and her government) is even less suited fro their position than they have shown so far...
 
Taking everything at presented value and ignoring all meta-level considerations I think Linderly's going to be busy.

Edit: Hence the plot fiat theory because the alternative is that we're looking at systemic failure or large-scale infiltration and only getting oblique hints.

Edit edit: Or we're all getting a bit more in depth than the QM intend and now Oneiros is going oh crap my plot twist is going over totally differently than I meant to.
 
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It seems likely to me that the President has no experience or Caitian historical context dealing with fractured governments with no true central authority. The ultimatum came from her push through the Council, after all. The FDS may have recommended that if we were to continue we would have to open relations with each house, which would take [time estimate], perhaps as long as a year. The President may have discounted that because she didn't grok the concept or thought it was too big a risk to execute.

I'm not saying this happened, but the FDS may well have given the President good advice that she ignored or didn't fully understand.

e: I think Sousa's conversation with her the day of the vote did hint this way. The way she talked about having trouble coming to grips with the Federation as a multispecies polity.
 
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*comes back, sees several new pages of discussion*

Okay.... I really think you guys are overthinking this too much.
 
When in doubt, maximize diplomatic assets! If nothing else, our diplomatic teams can go to the various neighbors and compare notes on Arcadian societal structure. Hell, if we want to give our GM an aneurysm, we could probably justify asking the Klingons for insight into dealing with fractious Great Houses.

[X] SynchronizedWritersBlock
 
First, my references.
Starfleet Logistics Network

9 Freighters, 20 Cargo Ships assigned to networks
-5 Freighters, -8 Cargo Ships free for other tasks
Currently having to federalize a large number of cargo vessels.
2 Years - Civ, Cargo, Prospector, Engineer
3 Years - Freighter, Colony, Research, Passenger
4 Years - Super-Freighter
Now, some analysis.
Assuming that we started at ~50% capacity on our cargo network, which seems fair, we were originally using 2 freighters and 6 cargo ships.
Since we are in the hole for 5 freighters and 8 cargo ships at the moment, over the course of the game (call it 14 years since we're in 2314Q4) demand has grown by 7 freighters and 14 cargo ships. To bring things, assuming no further growth, back under 50% would require 14 freighters and 48 28 cargo ships.
Um.
Yeah.
(For those keeping score at home, this is more than the Licori shipping capacity at our highest estimates by at least slightly less than 50% in our nearest class. So there's your relative scale right there.)

It's been 14 years, and we'd like 14 freighters. Given that Starfleet freighters take 3 years to build, that means that we'd need three slips just putting out freighter hulls to keep up.
That's three quarters of our auxiliary yard just to hold steady.
Plus, another 30 years on the last slip to catch up.
That leaves zero slips to meet all of our other needs for the next three decades.
We have, of course, planned on using two or three of our four slips at a time to roll out the new hospital ships.
So, all those holes that are starting to open up in the build schedule? If we could plug those with building new freighter and cargo hulls I'd be feeling a lot more comfortable.
(So many cargo ships. We've been averaging about 3.5 (3.42857... whatever) 2 a year. Since it takes two years for a cargo ship, that's another seven four slips to hold the pace we've set and an eighth fifth to start to catch up...
Which puts us at twelve eight building slips.
Let's try just enough to meet our current shortfall.
5 freighters and 8 cargo ships.
The freighters are 15 slip years and the cargo ships are 16 slip years.
31 slip years of backlog with just 14 game years of play.

One does begin to understand why people are getting stressed about this.
 
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[comes back exhausted and about to go to bed after six hours]

On the assumption the vote is still going I'm going to make sure Iron Lady is at least a viable vote plan. May not have time to do ANYTHING else...

But what if in order to avoid this war, we have to have Nash accept a princess's hand in marriage?
This will simply ensure that Leaniss Larai starts the war all by herself?
 
Omake - Kuznetsova Does Lunch - AKuz
A/N said:
Just a quick thing I threw together. Not super happy, but it gets across that at least someone is thinking the crazy thoughts and as usually that crazy is coming from Alexandria Kuznetsova

Kuznetsova does Lunch


2314.Q4.M2.F1

Captain Alexandria Kuznetsova, Starfleet Intelligence (Or Starfleet Tactical. Depending on who you ask, and the mood of whoever is in charge of Personnel that day), is the special sort of person who, when she runs into a friend or acquaintance, and that person gives them a vague "We should do lunch sometime," takes them at their word. Lunch is important to her, especially when she's on a mission.

"I'm actually a bit surprised that you had the time," says Lieutenant Commander Aaron Wolfe, also of Starfleet Intelligence, "You seemed very… busy last time we talked."

"Huh? Oh. Yes" says Alexandria as she blinks owlishly; drawing attention to the dark spots under her eyes from too many long, sleepless, nights, "A lot to do," she raises her hand to flag down the server again; empty glass of water in her hand, "Battle reviews, wedding, reviewing intelligence stuff, reading up on augment history, worrying. Lot to do"

"Wedding?" asks Wolfe in surprise, "You and Anne finally tying the knot?" he says with a grin.

"What? No." Kuznetsova takes the replacement carafe of water from the server, "It's Cam. You remember Camille Alexander? He's got the Tiger Team now." She sets the carafe down, "It's not for a while yet anyway" she says distractedly, "Anne says that we got engaged so that we wouldn't forget we were dating. The ring is like a string around my finger."

Wolfe chuckles slightly as he looks around the restaurant and out the windows at the Pacific Ocean below, "That seems about right. Have a date in mind?"

"Oh, no, not yet. We're very busy." Kuznetsova says with a yawn as she pushes napkins around on the table, "Field work seems to be treating you very well. Congratulations about Orion by the way."

"Thanks," says Wolfe, wondering how much the other woman was cleared for despite her higher rank, "It was touch and go for a while there after Lirohn."

"Yeah." Kuznetsova looks up from the small napkin house that she has built, "Have you been keeping up with Licori crisis?"

"I hope that this last hour diplomacy will keep us from war."

"Hmmm," says Kuznetsova uncharacteristically noncommittally, "A very thorny issue. A lot of things that you'd think we'd know about," she adds another wing to her expanding napkin mansion as a server looks on in familiar resignation, "Have you been keeping up with Psychohistorical Analysis since you went over to Office 24?"

Wolfe ceases to gaze aimlessly out the window at the sea shuttles landing and taking off from English Bay and brings his attention back to Kuznetsova at this abrupt non-sequitur, "A bit, just enough to stay current with the literature. Why do you ask?"

"I was wondering. If a mentat can indeed be working on complex physics problems on the order of causing a stellar collapse…" she knocks over her napkin palace for emphasis, "What could one of those augments do in the department of social sciences?"

"I'm not sure I follow?" says Wolfe as he thinks he follows.

"I've been reading up on Khan and some of the other Augments. Even some of the illegal augments that Starfleet has caught over the years." She begins sorting the clump of rumpled napkins into neat piles, "Computers can do a lot. Especially calculations, augments do have the edge in intuitive use of mathematics. It's an open secret in xenohistory circles that Augment research and algorithms form the basis of much of our modern work. We aren't Seldon pushing equations around on a whiteboard; but we aren't banging rocks together either."

Wolfe watches Kuznetsova gently pat a neat pile of napkins, "Are you saying that we have evidence of Licori "Psychohistorians"?"

"No. They don't have departments as defined as we do. We don't have that great a look into Mentat culture." Kuznetsova closes her eyes as she decides whether to dive in that particular topic yet or to swerve off onto another tangent, "You know, we don't have that great a look into Licori culture and politics in general." She rubs her eyes, "There are so many unknown unknowns"

Kuznetsova watches Wolfe intently through tired eyes as the smaller man shrugs carefully, "I wonder what that sort of brain power could do if it wanted to manipulate the Federation into accomplishing his or her own goals?" she says.

Wolfe's eyes narrow, "Like triggering a war?"

"Or using a war."

"To what end?"

"Power. Control. Centralization. It depends on the ends of the individual in question." Kuznetsova puts the napkins back into their holder, "I don't like this whole scenario. Something's rotten. I don't like it."

"Why bring it up with me?"

Alexandria pours herself another glass of water, "You're here, you have experience with political science and psychohistorical analysis. I know you?" She shrugs expressively, "You have clearance for most of my evidence"

"I want to submit a report," She says quickly when Wolfe opens his mouth to ask a question, "I don't need your name on it. But I want your help for the details"

Wolfe raises an eyebrow, "Another theory?"

Alexandria frowns, "Linderly respects my work far more than Admiral zh'Rhashaan did." Kuznetsova rubs her eyes again, "There is something wrong here. The Licori, the mentats, the FDS missing so much of Arcadian Imperial dynamics, this sudden war, the pacifist near-revolts. I don't like it. It feels like someone is pushing pieces around a game board that I can't see." She closes her eyes tightly. "I can see the moves on the board, but I don't see the board, or know the rules. I just know that we're being played."

Wolfe watches the usually much more energetic woman sink slightly deeper into her cushioned seat, "Are you sure that you're not just seeing things? Exhaustion can really screw with your perceptions."

The Captain taps a PADD that had been the foundation of her napkin structure, "That's why I want you to do a bad idea check as I lay out all the details I've put together"

Wolfe feels excitement as he takes the PADD and quickly scans the top few headers, discussion of internal Licori house politics is like catnip to a Poli Sci major, "FDS Replacement by Leccare", "Mentat Manipulation of FDS," "Council Plots?", "Emperor Manipulating FDS and Federation?" and dozens more below those.

Kuznetsova smiles as she catches sight of an approaching order of food filling a platter, "I'm glad I ordered all those side dishes. We've got a lot of work to do!"
 
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Gah, urge to write omake where thread arguments for "incompetence" of FDS are brought up and ruthlessly demolished as nonsense rising....

Tbf, the FDS usually suggests firing Commander, Starfleet every time a Constie screws up.

Let's do a little deep analysis of that logistics model.

It's basically taking in the established worlds/colonies of the power, their current income levels, and their industry/shipyard locales. Then there is four networks that it is fed through.

Feeder is for the resource and minor colonies interacting with their closes Hub.
Trunk is for the exchange between Hubs.
Industry is for taking the BR/SR value and distributing it.
Fleet Support is something already introduced.

Route Penalty is a eyeballing of how long and dangerous the trade routes are.

You want to have no more than 50% of your merchant marine tied down like this or else you'll run out of ships to supply your construction and other activities. And you don't have any reserve if a negative space wedgie blows up a trade ship.
 
Utterly irrelevant. The Licori are still governing their own society in full view. The fact the Emperor does not dictate to the Houses would still be obvious. They can see the decisions be announced and notice what those decisions actually do. (And hell, they're ambassadors. They have a place at court and they can notice well enough that wheeling and dealing is going on behind the scenes and who's involved with it at any one time as well as any other courtier might.)
They almost certainly lack the context to understand subtleties that the courtiers would notice. The courtiers are members of the same species raised in that culture from birth for several decades. They're a bunch of foreign aliens, not fully trusted by anyone, who didn't even know the Licori species existed five years ago. How could they POSSIBLY deduce enough to know everything the rest of the court knows?

A year should have been enough time to learn that the Empire is a coalition of states. A month should have been enough. It is impossible for this to be a secret.
It depends. In the actual novel Dune, the great houses make a very good show of public obeisance to the Emperor even while at least some of them secretly work behind the scenes to subvert his commands or even overthrow him. Why would you expect anything different here? There have been many societies throughout history where the nobility loudly protested their loyalty to a monarch right up until the moment their daggers literally entered his back. It would take quite a bit of observation and analysis to tell who's honestly loyal to the king and who's faking it.

So what, after a month of proclamations from the Arcadian Emperor nobody notices he never dictates to the houses on most subjects?
Maybe they assume he doesn't need to. Maybe all those secret meetings between the Emperor and his senior nobles are him privately dictating to them without humiliating them in public by ordering them around like commoners. At best, all that this would prove is that the Emperor isn't an absolute god-king who rules with such utter tyranny that his most powerful subject is like a mouse compared to him. There's a big gap between "not an absolute god-king" and "first among equals." Even historical kings we imagine as absolute monarchs, like Louis XIV, were often very careful about how they went about ordering around the most powerful of their 'subjects,' who were princes in their own right and treated with all the honors of their rank.

But how would a Martian arriving at the court of Louis XIV, with no prior personal experience of feudal monarchy and only a vague concept of how it works, figure out what fraction of the fancy talk at Versailles is just noise and propaganda about the "Sun King," and what fraction is serious, and what fraction is Louis pretending to have more direct control over things than he really does, in hopes of one day turning the illusion of power into the reality?

...
*facepalm*
We need to know which houses to target specifically for it to have possibility of diplomatic resolution, aren't we? Or war will just drag forever or even worse turn in occupation...
*sigh*
Very much this.

That would require that we also be locked out of the Licori internet equivalent or LeCarre levels of obfuscation of it. And that should be noticable.

Mind the real reason appears to be railroading. Look at the QM note.
The Licori don't have computers as we know them, remember? There's not much evidence that they HAVE an Internet. Even if they did, it could very easily be full of pro-Great-House firewalls and bugs, plus loyal adherents of the Houses and the Emperor who genuinely believe in the political fictions that underlie their society.

Would a Martian visiting Earth be able to use the Internet as a reliable tool for deducing the true nature of the regimes running Earth's largest countries? Which blog posts would they ignore?

And that level of paranoia should be in the reports.

If the FDS couldn't get their hands on high school civics textbook equivalents and didn't inform of us of that level of obfuscation then they're grotesquely incompetent. If they could then they should have some idea of on-paper distribution of power.
Closed societies do not explain how things really work in their high school civics textbooks. I mean seriously, what the heck?
 
Latest vote tally, after manually fixing poorly formatted votes:

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 1681 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.10.1

[X] Plan Iron Lady
-[X] Retired Admiral Vitalia Yukiko Kahurangi - Personal Diplomatic Consultant (5pt cost for Starfleet, gain Special Asset)
-[X] Federalise Auxiliary Units from Tellar: One Cargo Ship (2 Cost from Tellar)
-[X] Federalise Fleet Units from Vulcan: 1 Oberth (1 cost from Vulcan)
-[X] Federalise Fleet Units from Rigel: 1 Oda-Gach (1 cost from Rigel)
-[X] Dhara Heavy Industry Park - Heavy Industry (5 Cost to Andoria, gain Heavy Industry asset)
-[X] UESPA Deep Space Engineering - Engineering Team (10 Cost from United Earth, gain Engineering Team with 2 Engineering Ships, 3 Cargo Ships, 1 Freighter)
-[X] Vulcan Survey Corps - Recon team (3 cost for Vulcan, gain +1 to outpost and starbase atttempts to detect incoming ships, gain 1 Civilian Research Cruiser)
-[X] Andorian Orbital Guard Runabouts (3 cost for Andorian Guard, gain +1 to outpost and starbase atttempts to detect incoming ships)
No. of Votes: 14

[X] Plan Grey Lady
-[X] Retired Admiral Vitalia Yukiko Kahurangi - Personal Diplomatic Consultant (5pt cost for Starfleet, gain Special Asset)
-[X] Retired Vice Admiral Heidi Eriksson - Doctrine Specialist (5pt Cost to Starfleet, gain Doctrine Specialist)
-[X] Dhara Heavy Industry Park - Heavy Industry (5 Cost to Andoria, gain Heavy Industry asset)
-[X] UESPA Deep Space Engineering - Engineering Team (10 Cost from United Earth, gain Engineering Team with 2 Engineering Ships, 3 Cargo Ships, 1 Freighter)
-[X] Vulcan Survey Corps - Recon team (3 cost for Vulcan, gain +1 to outpost and starbase atttempts to detect incoming ships, gain 1 Civilian Research Cruiser)
-[X] Federalise Fleet Units from <Vulcan> (5 cost for explorer, 2 cost for cruiser, 1 cost for frigate, paid against member world you are calling up fleet units from): Oberth (1 cost)
-[X] Federalise Fleet Units from <Rigel> (5 cost for explorer, 2 cost for cruiser, 1 cost for frigate, paid against member world you are calling up fleet units from): Oda-Gach (1 cost)
No. of Votes: 10

[x] Plan 11th hour diplomacy
-[x] Generate Generic External Diplomacy Team from United Earth (10 Cost to Starfleet, 5 Cost to Member World, gain External Diplomacy Team)
-[x] Retired Admiral Vitalia Yukiko Kahurangi - Personal Diplomatic Consultant (5pt cost for Starfleet, gain Special Asset)
-[x] Dhara Heavy Industry Park - Heavy Industry (5 Cost to Andoria, gain Heavy Industry asset)
-[x] Retired Vice Admiral Heidi Eriksson - Doctrine Specialist (5pt Cost to Starfleet, gain Doctrine Specialist)
No. of Votes: 10

[X] Plan Diplomacy and Planning
-[X] Generate Generic Internal Diplomacy Team from Earth (10 Cost to Starfleet, 5 Cost to Member World, gain Internal Diplomacy Team)
-[X] Retired Vice Admiral Heidi Eriksson - Doctrine Specialist (5pt Cost to Starfleet, gain Doctrine Specialist)
-[X] Retired Admiral Vitalia Yukiko Kahurangi - Personal Diplomatic Consultant (5pt cost for Starfleet, gain Special Asset)
-[X] Vulcan Survey Corps - Recon team (3 cost for Vulcan, gain +1 to outpost and starbase atttempts to detect incoming ships, gain 1 Civilian Research Cruiser)
-[X] Federalise Auxiliary Units from Tellar (3 cost for freighter, 2 cost for cargo ship, 3 cost for other auxiliary units) : 1 cargo ship
No. of Votes: 1

[X] Plan "Spread the Love"
-[X] UESPA Deep Space Engineering - Engineering Team (10 Cost from United Earth, gain Engineering Team with 2 Engineering Ships, 3 Cargo Ships, 1 Freighter)
-[X] Shorc Xurth Resource Combine - Heavy Industry (5 Cost to Tellar, gain Heavy Industry asset)
-[X] Andorian Orbital Guard Runabouts (3 cost for Andorian Guard, gain +1 to outpost and starbase atttempts to detect incoming ships)
-[X] Retired Admiral Vitalia Yukiko Kahurangi - Personal Diplomatic Consultant (5pt cost for Starfleet, gain Special Asset)
-[X] Federalise Fleet Units from Vulcan - their Oberth (1 cost for frigate, paid against member world you are calling up fleet units from)
-[X] Federalise Auxiliary Units from Betazed - Freighter(3 cost for freighter)
-[X] Federalise Auxiliary Units from Rigil - Freighter(3 cost for freighter)
No. of Votes: 1

[X] Plan "Smart, Not Hard"
-[X] Retired Admiral Vitalia Yukiko Kahurangi - Personal Diplomatic Consultant (5pt cost for Starfleet, gain Special Asset)
-[X] Retired Vice Admiral Heidi Eriksson - Doctrine Specialist (5pt Cost to Starfleet, gain Doctrine Specialist)
-[X] Generate Generic Internal Diplomacy Team from Earth (10 Cost to Starfleet, 5 Cost to Member World, gain Internal Diplomacy Team)
-[X] Generate Generic External Diplomacy Team from Earth (10 Cost to Starfleet, 5 Cost to Member World, gain External Diplomacy Team)

No. of Votes: 0
(struck-through since invalid plan and no voters for it anyway)



Task: PRESIDENT

[X][PRESIDENT] Addressing Council Division
No. of Votes: 30

[X][PRESIDENT] Seek Individual Diplomatic Contact with Major Licori Houses
No. of Votes: 28

[X][PRESIDENT] Need to hold off and investigate further
No. of Votes: 17

[X][PRESIDENT] Need to focus on the Ked Paddah
No. of Votes: 14

[X][PRESIDENT] Insufficient Exit Strategy
No. of Votes: 9

[X][PRESIDENT] Request Diplomatic Summit with all Major Licori Houses
No. of Votes: 3

[X][PRESIDENT] "Fire and replace the FDS top brass."
No. of Votes: 1

[X][PRESIDENT] Chance for further diplomacy
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 38

edit: oops was double counting Crazy Tom's plan vote
edit2: now accounts for Crazy Tom's revote below
 
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