No, I can't assume a thing we may never get around to purchasing. However it would only shave off 5 months at best on the 'wave', as I'm pretty sure prototype build times cannot be reduced for any reason.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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No, I can't assume a thing we may never get around to purchasing. However it would only shave off 5 months at best on the 'wave', as I'm pretty sure prototype build times cannot be reduced for any reason.
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Yes. Prototype build times can only be reduced at the cost of extra behind-the-scenes dice rolls for not-so-hilarious breakdowns, which is Oneiros's way of saying: Please don't.
What?
What the fuck!?
That isn't good enough!
We promised 2321 and we will deliver.
No, it actually is good enough. There's a reason that goal says "into production" rather than "completed".
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Which is why I used that key word 'almost.'
Honestly, calling this level of stupidity "Manticoran Star Empire Simulator" might be an insult to David Weber; the only antagonist he's ever written being this stupid was being actively sabotaged by spies that had comprehensively infiltrated and subverted the top levels of its own government. The People's Republic of Haven and even most of the minor 'third galaxy' opponents at least TRY to be thinking about what the hell they're doing and react to changing situations by perceiving threats and reacting to them... sort of. Usually.
Until such time as we are informed that the Explorer Corps has discovered the Pakleds, I'm going with 'no.'
Good point.
It is also:
1) Incredibly ill-advised,
2) Profoundly opposed to the spirit of this quest, on such a level that the QM rightly threatened to slap us with Militarization points if the quest-goers as a whole even started seriously considering doing it or wanting to do it,
3) A very effective way to replace a bad problem (Federation conquered by Cardassian overlords) with a worse problem (all life in the galaxy literally being melted down into screaming puddles of agony), and
4) Did I mention how utterly, insanely vicious and evil doing such a foul and nihilistic thing would be? There's a reason there was near-100% opposition in the thread the last time it came up.
So no. Just... no. No 'I was just trying to do this/that.' It was, very simply, a deeply bad idea.On many levels.
I was sort of hoping you'd grown to look back on that suggestion of yours and think "wow, what was I thinking?"
1) We don't know that it's empty. The map is empty, but that doesn't mean nothing is there.
2) You didn't suggest "scouting" it, you suggested flying supply convoys through it and "claiming" it ourselves. That is a much more ambitious operation that we are not remotely equipped to carry out.
3) You still haven't even begun to address the question of how the Cardassians and Sydraxians would react to us doing this, on any level that shows serious thought or analysis about the question.
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Don't be so hard on the pakleds, Simon. Its not their fault that the species that was uplifting them got a surprise lesson in Denobulan medical ethics halfway through.
Denobulans were way more into genetic engineering than humans tho
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Well played.
I have my speculations on what 'happened to' the Pakleds, which I tried to find in a search and apparently never posted before; I'll lay them out later when I have more time but it boils down to 'death by appification.'
Gotta run kthanxbai
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Speaking of Denobulans... do they exist here? I don't believe they are members of our federation, so I have to ask... Why not? (assuming they exist in this universe).
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Denobulan Medical Ethics is the best Euphemism.
Which is why I used that key word 'almost.'
Honestly, calling this level of stupidity "Manticoran Star Empire Simulator" might be an insult to David Weber; the only antagonist he's ever written being this stupid was being actively sabotaged by spies that had comprehensively infiltrated and subverted the top levels of its own government. The People's Republic of Haven and even most of the minor 'third galaxy' opponents at least TRY to be thinking about what the hell they're doing and react to changing situations by perceiving threats and reacting to them... sort of. Usually.
Until such time as we are informed that the Explorer Corps has discovered the Pakleds, I'm going with 'no.'
Good point.
It is also:
1) Incredibly ill-advised,
2) Profoundly opposed to the spirit of this quest, on such a level that the QM rightly threatened to slap us with Militarization points if the quest-goers as a whole even started seriously considering doing it or wanting to do it,
3) A very effective way to replace a bad problem (Federation conquered by Cardassian overlords) with a worse problem (all life in the galaxy literally being melted down into screaming puddles of agony), and
4) Did I mention how utterly, insanely vicious and evil doing such a foul and nihilistic thing would be? There's a reason there was near-100% opposition in the thread the last time it came up.
So no. Just... no. No 'I was just trying to do this/that.' It was, very simply, a deeply bad idea.On many levels.
I was sort of hoping you'd grown to look back on that suggestion of yours and think "wow, what was I thinking?"
1) We don't know that it's empty. The map is empty, but that doesn't mean nothing is there.
2) You didn't suggest "scouting" it, you suggested flying supply convoys through it and "claiming" it ourselves. That is a much more ambitious operation that we are not remotely equipped to carry out.
3) You still haven't even begun to address the question of how the Cardassians and Sydraxians would react to us doing this, on any level that shows serious thought or analysis about the question.
I'm not talking about the PRH.
Weber got.... bad...
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I assume sometime in the intervening century they all died out due to the "will of evolution" or some shit. Maybe revenge from the people Phlox genocided.
Now let's be fair; "will of evolution" has been a thing long before Enterprise. Just look at Threshold and Distant Origin for examples of it.
Can we pretend those episodes don't exist?
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I'll allow the karmic irony in this instance because of how angry Phlox's genocide makes me.
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SF Debris references? This must be what coming home feels like!
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SF Debris references? This must be what coming home feels like!
I literally contribute to Chuck's patreon.
It's good stuff. I recommend that anyone who is interested in watching informative and entertaining usmmaries of trek episodes watch it (on phone. Will add link later)
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Okay, so here's the thing.
Star Trek is very soft scifi, we all know that. At the writers' behest, we agree to suspend our disbelief and imagine that this story is set in a universe where telepathy is real and there's a magical lithium metamaterial that lets you FTL.
The problem is that that's not the attitude the writers had in the episodes you listed. There's no indication that they meant the trekverse to have a mystical alternative to evolution by natural selection. The writers literally just don't know how evolution works, but think that they do.
We CAN choose to interpret their incompetence to mean that evolution in trek works by divine magic. But I would rather just ignore it.*
*The exception being the prolificacy of humanoid life, if you interpret Preserver gengineering as working like that.
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Huh, I got a job for you. I was planing to put foward a summer uniform for Starfleet. Can you make it for me?
Here is how I want it to look.
To be fair, the idea behind Threshold -- that evolution doesn't always lead to greater intelligence -- isn't necessarily wrong, it's just how Braga approached it that was painful:
However this is poorly communicated in the episode. Also confusing. Breaking warp ten makes Paris turn into his distant descendant who is a weird lizard? I guess that kinda makes sense in that breaking Warp 10 is supposed to make you be everywhere and every time at once, but if evolutionary pressure means the descendants of humans will eventually turn into unintelligent lizards, that suggests the universe gets really bleak.
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SF Debris references? This must be what coming home feels like!
I know I've made a few as well. So, welcome home!
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He has no idea WHY evolution does things like that, though. In every single Braga episode concerning evolution, there's this assumption that evolution is this independent process with built in goals for each species regardless of selective pressures. His "clarifications" in interviews have only reinforced this, and he doesn't appear to be asserting that Trek evolution is fundamentally different from real life evolution.
He really is just that dumb.
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So after designing those new uniforms a while back I decided to commission a picture of a character wearing the medical variant from @TheOneMoiderah
Hugs.
Edit: Nevermind; Found it.
So I went and did even more work on the uniform thing.
Should be pretty complete now, I hope.
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