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Outright missed events are rare and probably have a lot to do with bad luck. Constantly shuffling ships around for that purpose may well result in a lot of musical chairs.

Although we may see missed events becoming a bit more common since Oneiros seems to have revamped the event roll system so that 'spikes' of two or three events in the same quarter in the same sector become more likely.
 
A question for Briefvoice and anyone else doing deployment plans.

Assuming the current environment with our neighbours does not change and we do not take large losses in the GBZ, when the Rennies start becoming available in numbers, do you envision them being used to shore up internal garrisons, deployed to support other border zones or sent as reinforcement to the GBZ?
 
Simon_Jester said:
Outright missed events are rare and probably have a lot to do with bad luck. Constantly shuffling ships around for that purpose may well result in a lot of musical chairs.

Although we may see missed events becoming a bit more common since Oneiros seems to have revamped the event roll system so that 'spikes' of two or three events in the same quarter in the same sector become more likely.
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We have had some over the past year. At least one was in the Amarkia sector and another in the KBZ. Still if we start tracking both sectors where we missed events due to lack of ships or were we had problems due to poor responding ships to figure out which sectors need the most help.

@Nix I was looking at our defense doctrine team and it seems that at skill 4 it would take 3 years to finish a slide and at skill 5 it will be 2 years. Also at skill 4 boosting twice would get it done in two years correct?
 
Void Stalker said:
I think we need to keep an eye on events through this year and see which sectors are having missed events or could benefit from a better response ship.
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There's such a large element of randomness to the system, though. I mean, we missed an Event in Amarkia despite having two pretty-good ships (Centaur-As) there. Do we take that as a sign that we actually need three ships in Amarkia? But it's difficult to see why. It's an interior sector with an Defense requirement no more than that of Tellar Sector or Andor sector. We got unlucky in that there were two Events, and both our ships responded to the first one so there was nobody for the second. But that could just as easily happen in any of three or four other sectors.
 
Goat said:
A question for Briefvoice and anyone else doing deployment plans.

Assuming the current environment with our neighbours does not change and we do not take large losses in the GBZ, when the Rennies start becoming available in numbers, do you envision them being used to shore up internal garrisons, deployed to support other border zones or sent as reinforcement to the GBZ?
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I have to set the question of sending them to the GBZ aside, as that depends entirely on what kind of reports we're getting out of the GBZ. If for whatever reason we decide Renaissances aren't needed in the GBZ (perhaps the war has ended in lines drawn), then I would envision making the Reniassances sector flagships, putting one in any sector where there isn't an Excelsior. Since we give our border zones first priority on Excelsiors, in practice that means putting them in interior sectors.
 
Briefvoice said:
There's such a large element of randomness to the system, though. I mean, we missed an Event in Amarkia despite having two pretty-good ships (Centaur-As) there. Do we take that as a sign that we actually need three ships in Amarkia? But it's difficult to see why. It's an interior sector with an Defense requirement no more than that of Tellar Sector or Andor sector. We got unlucky in that there were two Events, and both our ships responded to the first one so there was nobody for the second. But that could just as easily happen in any of three or four other sectors.
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I agree that the case of Amarkia was probably just bad luck, but that we don't have clear evidence doesn't mean we should ignore what little evidence we have. If we have the choice between sending an extra ship to one of two possible sectors then all else being the same we should send it to the sector we missed more events in. That doesn't mean it should be a very high ranking criterion of course. It might be more helpful to count all events that happen in each sector and estimate an event rate that way, though since we don't always get notification of missed events when there are no further consequences that risks sectors that already have a lot of ships and therefore respond to more events that we otherwise wouldn't be notified about being overrated.
 
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Briefvoice said:
I have to set the question of sending them to the GBZ aside, as that depends entirely on what kind of reports we're getting out of the GBZ. If for whatever reason we decide Renaissances aren't needed in the GBZ (perhaps the war has ended in lines drawn), then I would envision making the Reniassances sector flagships, putting one in any sector where there isn't an Excelsior. Since we give our border zones first priority on Excelsiors, in practice that means putting them in interior sectors.
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Honestly, a better idea, in my opinion, would be to have vessels move into the sectors d3-b3 and c2-b2. If we can set up a secure supply route from Federation space to the coretail corner of the Gabriel expanse. With our opponents focusing entirely on Gabriel, it is unlikely that they can effectively respond to moves elsewhere which is something we can exploit.
 
@OneirosTheWriter

Question: can we choose to keep a doctrine like Forward Defense deactivated after we finish a topic? I'm noticing that if we do Border World Focus, it's going to hurt us until we have Mutual Support up.
 
Forgothrax said:
@OneirosTheWriter

Question: can we choose to keep a doctrine like Forward Defense deactivated after we finish a topic? I'm noticing that if we do Border World Focus, it's going to hurt us until we have Mutual Support up.
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Why would Border World Focus hurt us? Defense requirements are a minimum, not a maximum, and we are going to exceed the current requirements in the border zones anyway. I'd expect us to try to keep at least two ships in every sector, whether strictly required or not.
 
ThoughtMaster said:
Honestly, a better idea, in my opinion, would be to have vessels move into the sectors d3-b3 and c2-b2. If we can set up a secure supply route from Federation space to the coretail corner of the Gabriel expanse. With our opponents focusing entirely on Gabriel, it is unlikely that they can effectively respond to moves elsewhere which is something we can exploit.
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...Uh, wouldn't that supply line be long, circuitous, and very vulnerable to Sydraxian raids? There are serious drawbacks to long supply lines passing through unsecured space. The convoys spend a long time in transit, which means ships escorting the convoys are locked down for long periods of time... which in turn means you have to commit a disproportionately high number of escorts in order to maintain an acceptable level of traffic on the route.

We're really not in a position to seriously consider trying to completely surround Sydraxian/Yrillian space yet.

chriswriter90 said:
Yeah right. We're a couple decades past believing that one.

Go find a more original cover.
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You mean to tell me you're suspecting simple tailors decades before Elim Garak is even born?

[points finger at chriswriter90]

"He's too paranoid! He must be a Lecarre!"
 
Nix said:
Why would Border World Focus hurt us? Defense requirements are a minimum, not a maximum, and we are going to exceed the current requirements in the border zones anyway. I'd expect us to try to keep at least two ships in every sector, whether strictly required or not.
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I am a bit concerned that there will be enough of a defense shift that we're going to have to raid the home sectors for ships to meet the BZ Defense requirements while hurting our ability to respond to events at home.
 
chriswriter90 said:
Yeah right. We're a couple decades past believing that one.



Go find a more original cover.



I've been there. I make most of my posts via Pad these days.
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how dare u

i am but a purveyor of handcrafted clothing decades before elim "sexy beast" garak

u want shorts?

i can do shorts

u want dress?

i can do dress

u want sith robes?

i can do sith robes

u want omake?

i can do omake
 
Forgothrax said:
I am a bit concerned that there will be enough of a defense shift that we're going to have to raid the home sectors for ships to meet the BZ Defense requirements while hurting our ability to respond to events at home.
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I'm not too worried. The defense shift is two to three years out, and we're at least 3 over requirements in every single border zone under the current year's plan.
 
AKuz said:
how dare u

i am but a purveyor of handcrafted clothing decades before elim "sexy beast" garak

u want shorts?

i can do shorts

u want dress?

i can do dress

u want sith robes?

i can do sith robes

u want omake?

i can do omake
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u get omake:

once upon a tiem there was a seamstress. she was very good at seamstressing and only more than once once accidentally sewed a direct line to rihan into her client's clothing.

"i am but a simple seamtress" said the perfectly normal pointy eared human as she seamstressed for the highest ranking Starfleet officers

"don't worry about my pointy ears" said the seamstress to the human man.

"ok" said admiral linderly

"nothing at all suspicious about the seams" said the seamstress

"ok" said admiral linderly

***

one day some romulans came to sol and one of them came to get a dress tailored by our seamstress.

"hello i am but a simple senator" said the romulan

"hello rihannsu lady. i am but a simple seamstress" said the perfectly normal pointy eared human seamstress

"I gathered" said Senator Velal

"would u be interested in my fine selection of patterns?" said the seamstress handing over a thick tablet full of juicy human secrets

"i enjoy patterns" said the senator (who was more of a crochet woman) as she slipped the thick tablet of juicy human secrets into her robes

"thank you come again" said the seamstress who was a perfectly normal pointy eared human woman

"do u do robes?" asked the romulan who was not the seamstress (who was a normal pointy eared human seamstress and not at all a romulan)

"i do robes" said the seamstress

and they all lived happily ever after

> : D
 
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