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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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Torgamous said:
Which is how we know the Lecarre are not good spies. We keep knowing about them before they finish.
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The question is, are we seeing every Lecarre spy?

Or are we seeing one Lecarre spy who gets caught, out of the hundred they actually sent?

Blackshard said:
"It'd take centuries" is handwaving by people with no idea how long a thing would actually take. The Licori, for instance, don't have that kind of scientific horizon on anything; their scientists don't live that long. That's the terrifying thing about them, in fact. My point is that the universe has plenty of powerful entities, artifacts, and technologies in it already. If you actually decided to prioritize transcendence, there's no shortage of shortcuts. The only problem with that approach is that it's ridiculously dangerous, to both you and everyone around you.

If we, in this quest, wanted to 'bee-line for godhood', we could nab the Gaeni and the Licori, and convince them to work together with us studying such things as those nasty relics that summon post-physical possessing ghosts, or the old-folks home for the non-transcendent. The reason why we don't do that kind of research is that it's rather likely to backfire in terrible ways. But the attempt could nonetheless be made. It just requires a certain reckless attitude, coupled with a lack of concern over the inevitable consequences.
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What I'm getting at is that such attempts tend to fail if not well grounded in other sciences and technologies. Like trying to build Steam Age spaceships- it's not going to fly, not because the idea "build a spaceship" is somehow invalid, but because the supporting technology isn't there.

I can't say for sure what supporting technologies you need. Maybe very advanced psychology. Maybe physics. Maybe biology. Maybe material science because there's a necessary material step between our natural bodies and transcendent bodiless energy beings. Maybe there are fundamental philosophical insights about how to think that matter (cue Traveller ramblings about time, space, and thought).

We could, and most likely do, need any number of things in any number of areas.

And just assuming that this is a thing we could make significant progress on in a generation or two if we tried... That is a very unwarranted assumption.

It's not just "it could be done soon if we didn't care about the consequences." Queen Victoria couldn't have rush-built a moon rocket no matter how reckless she was. Recklessness isn't enough, when you need the broad front of overall science and technology to gradually advance and fill in gaps in your current knowledge.
 
Torgamous said:
Which is how we know the Lecarre are not good spies. We keep knowing about them before they finish.
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Admiral Lindsay to a new sub-ordinate:
I'd like you to meet my tailor, Garek. Has an unfortunate facial deformity that makes him look like a Cardassian, but he has extensive medical records proving he is in fact Human. I, of course, check everyone around me carefully.
 
Leila Hann said:
Or it could be that they just run so many ops that a few are statistically bound to fail. After all, we'd never know it if they succeeded.
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Knowing if the enemy has succeeded in learning your secrets is just part of intelligence work.

But I suspect that stealing technology isn't so easy. Our engineering isn't designed to work with Cardassian engineering, and by the time they get it to work they might have been better off just designing a new component themselves.
 
Put another way, rapid directed advance of science is rarely theory. You make rapid progress by knowing that something is possible, you're just not sure how yet.

We don't know for a fact ascension unto godhood is possible yet, all the examples we've encountered haven't been willing to talk about how they got there, and even if we confirm it for someone else that doesn't necessarily mean it's possible for us.
 
Maybe Veteren and Elite is partly a function of the ship actually being better than normal.
 
It'd make sense for a little to transfer from to ship though. It's representative of a strong culture and traditions that enhance the spread of tacit institutional knowledge, right?
 
Also, if you transfer to the same type of ship...especially if it was built in the same yard.
 
I always thought ship veterancy was part crew, part ship and part time. ie. you have the Enterprise D with crew like Data and Geordi taking a new Galaxy class and start making small adjustments (1% more power there, 1% faster computers here) over time and then command staff like Riker and Picard who then know they can push the ship at 105% speed and fire 20% faster then a stock Galaxy.

It's the EC staff who know the technobable behind the technobable and make the ship more efficent over time, both from the crew getting more experience with the ship and the crew making changes so the ship runs better.
 
Meanwhile:
NASA Telescope Reveals Record-Breaking Exoplanet Discovery

The discovery sets a new record for greatest number of habitable-zone planets found around a single star outside our solar system. All of these seven planets could have liquid water – key to life as we know it – under the right atmospheric conditions, but the chances are highest with the three in the habitable zone.
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Rigel????

We're only off by around ~10 LY.
 
Briefvoice said:
Let's hash it out.

  • 40 Eridani A - Agreement
  • Ana Font / "TP" - Agreement on the Excelsior. I say the Connie-B completes in 2314.Q2, front page says it completes in Q1. The winning vote said to start it in Q2 (because that's as soon as the berth was clear) but @OneirosTheWriter wrote it as Q1 and seems to have continued the error forward.
  • LOCF / "An" - Agreement.
  • San Francisco - Agreement
  • Utopia Planitia - I say the twin Excelsior builds should take 12 quarters using Chen's bonus (-1Quarter per year) (started 2312.Q2, finish 2315.Q2). Front page says they finish 2315.Q4. Not sure what's going on there. Renaissance should definitely finish in Q2, not Q1, having been started in 2309Q4 and taking 18 quarters. @OneirosTheWriter and I actually talked about that, but I guess he never changed it on the front page.
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Implemented fixes, as well as changing out the Excelsior in UP berth B. Also I have to say it's a bit confusing to abbreviate Ana Font as TP and Lor'Vela as An >_>
 
So, now that I have my new computer, I've been able to make animations in a reasonable timeframe. Here are a couple of short (<10s) clips.

Edit: had to remove spoiler, for some reason.
 
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