...Itoldyouallso.

[gasps]

Okay, that's all my gloating done. :p
Hey! They were at war for a while first! So my theory:
Do they need the telepaths' support? For all we know there might be a race of telepaths on the other side of Cardassian space that they have been skirmishing with for decades/centuries. Given enough time countermeasures could be derived.
is probably at least partially true.

At a guess I'd say the Cardassians worked out some decent anti-telepath techniques during the conflict, otherwise they'd probably have been defeated, and once they finally absorbed the telepaths they upgraded the techniques to their current level.
 
Which leads to war, and...

"Mr Oneiros, you have just woken up from a three hundred year cryogenic suspension, there's no need to risk yourself in our wars!"

"Are you kidding!? I finally have the opportunity to launch anti-matter warheads at the MPAA, I wouldn't miss this for the world!"

The United Earth Film Society produced a dramatization of the conflict. Pictured here is the climax:
 
Gaeni Ambassador: "So there I was, right, with Admiral Sousa, I was, and I said, Admiral, I said, because it always pays to be respectful, I said, Admiral, on a scale of one to lots, how much do you love the Gaeni? And you know what she said?"

Ked Paddah Ambassador: "You've told me this story twenty-seven times since yesterday."

Gaeni: "She said, words cannot express our love for the Gaeni. Ain't that lovely?"

Ked Paddah: "*under breath* Murder is imprudent, murder is imprudent..."

I heard the entirety of the gaeni side of the conversation in the voice of a drunk Irishman, and it was glorious
 
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so neither of those two look like major powerhouses. One is going to have stability issues, and the other just lost a war hard enough to be vasalized. So it looks like they were bluffing fairly hard with their opening bargaining position. I mean, for gods sake it sounds like the Konnen would straight up turn on Cardassia if they felt they could get away with it.
 
Okay, I've been fleshing out the infrastructure behind the scenes for much of the day, which took a bunch of effort, so it will be a while longer before I do up the next post. Probably around tonight.

Tonight 'straya time?

so neither of those two look like major powerhouses. One is going to have stability issues, and the other just lost a war hard enough to be vasalized. So it looks like they were bluffing fairly hard with their opening bargaining position. I mean, for gods sake it sounds like the Konnen would straight up turn on Cardassia if they felt they could get away with it.

So, who wants to back a coup on Lodshar and set up a Federation puppet government in place of the current regime, leaving the old government in exile to seek refuge among the Dylaarians? It would be super lol.
 
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2313.Q1.M1 - Precipice - Well, They Try
Starfleet Intelligence Report into Cardassian Union and Client Military Capacity

After analysis of deep signal intercepts procured by Operation Bluebell, the Signals Division in conjunction with the Cardassian Desk have produced an analysis of current Cardassian military capacity. Among the conclusions detailed within, of chief import are: Cardassian total capacity still lags behind Starfleet and Member World capacity, as long as the Apiata and Indorians are included in the evaluation. In spite of this, the details of the new affiliates are cause for considerable alarm, and questioning of previous assumptions that Federation material production will continue to outproduce the Cardassians.

Of most interest are the three most recently discovered affiliates. The Dylaarians are of moderate combat power, operating what appears to be a half-dozen "licensed" Jaldun destroyers, with another half-dozen more support-oriented cruisers. We believe they operate with a Lone Ranger approach to fleet doctrine. They have a number of minor colony worlds and considerable income. Much of their starship-relevant material production, however, is routed into the Cardassian military-industrial complex, which has grown considerably.

The Goshawnar are an autocratic society who as of their most recent coup are tightly involved with the Cardassian Union. Their forces are built around a set of lightly protected, heavily armed, high speed escorts and cruisers. These operate in a swarm attack system. Their homeworld is located in GR l1, with two other major colony worlds nearby. Their production capacity is significant, on a similar level to the Caitians. We hold considerable concern as to our ability to restrain these forces from acting in effective commerce raider roles.

The Konnen are former rivals of the Cardassian Union, and we are still endeavouring to find out what transpired to cause them to join up under the Cardassian Union's aegis. From what material we have so far been able to analyse, it may be as simple as the Obsidian Order being able to offer better personal advantages to the Konnen's autocratic leaders. This is the faction that most alarms Starfleet Intelligence, as their empath capability and their military are both useful assets to the Cardassians. Their military is not dissimilar in scope to the Amarkian fleet, and provides a nucleus of durable explorers for the Cardassians to work with. Their homeworld is located in l-4.

[Whole of Political Entity Combat: 500~550, Defence 500~550, Science, 350~400]

[Addendum: a chunk of this is predicated on being able to muster the dispersed strength of the Yrillians]

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Well that's much larger than I expected. Does that combat/defense/science totals include Yrillians, Dawiar, Sydraxians, and Lecarre? If so, it might be somewhat misleading, because the Federation is likely more unified than the Cardassians. I'd expect for instance that the Yrillians and Dawiar would be easier to dissuade from action.

Even so, I still expect Federation production to outpace the whole Cardassian sphere.

Also, Romulans and Klingons now look weaker than the Cardassians on paper, but I suspect that they also have their own affiliates that we for some reason are unaware of. In fact, I'd bet on that, since even in 2300, the Federation outnumbered the Romulans and Klingons each in fleet strength, yet those polities apparently weren't panicking about it, until the recent Federation expansion.

I'm now quite glad we had Kahurangi (well, us voters actually, but whatev) :D

What is ours, for comparison?

Including Apiata and Indorians, around 650-700 combat, 550-600 science, 650-700 defense.

Void Stalker's spreadsheet (I think): To Boldly Go-Member and Affiliate Fleets

edit: Including all the other affiliates, it's obviously higher, but only some are likely to intervene. Seyek and Qloathi in particular have a decent chance of being convinced to help us. Gaeni and Caldonians might be harder to convince since they're on the other side of the Cardassians. Honiani are minor affiliates. Kadeshi are off on their Great Expedition. Risans...will do something.
 
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We're still stronger then them but not by as much as I'd wanted. We can still refuse their demands but we can't laugh at them afterwards.
 
What is ours, for comparison?
If I'm counting it all right... Starfleet is 183C, the Members are 346C, and the Affiliates are 402C. Starfleet + the Members (Which is all we are guaranteed in a crisis, I'll remind, even if it's likely the affiliates will help at least in part) only about equal the Cardie forces at 529C.

Basically all that makes this fight in our favor right now is the Bees giving us a +94C.
 
We have to keep up the diplomacy race!
*looks at pp and cost of diplopushes*
Goddamnit.

@OneirosTheWriter This may have been asked already, but if we were to diplopush one of the non-affiliates with whom we have a relationship of 100+, say the Yrillians, do we only get one diplomatic roll as if we were diplopushing a non-affiliate or one roll every quarter as if they were affiliates?
 
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