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Very interesting.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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It's a mystery...
So! An empath species that decided they had no choice but to accept Cardassian rule, and an autocratic species whose most recent dynasty has fallen in with the Cardassians. The former might be liable to see hope in the Federation, while the latter are... well, temperamentally probably not suited as affiliates. But probably are likely going to be a headache for the Cardassians once the current dynasty weakens.
EDIT: Heh. To be honest, some Konnen meeting a couple of Federation officers and learning about the Betazoids could be... intriguing. Especially if said officers feel quite positive towards Betazoids and the idea of telepaths or empaths in general.
I wonder where Konnen-space is on the map in relation to core Cardassian space... if 'north' or 'south' (or 'up' or 'down'), particularly with a bit of 'east'... then the Federation might be able to peel them away down the road. If not the worlds, then a lot of the people (which the Federation is probably rather more interested in, between the two). Of course, if they're 'west', then it'll be harder...
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Um, what do you think happened? When a coup falls in a capitol and no mass media is around to broadcast it, does it make a sound?
e: That is to say, it was almost 100% certainly a Cardassian-backed coup.
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Don't think this means you've won!
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Yrillian society is chaotic, but the government has exercised loose enough control that up until now no one felt the need to overthrow it. My guess is that the Yrillians are realizing they're going to need to choose a side in the upcoming conflict, and are divided. The Cardassians are offering them military support and have the Sydraxians on their side, but the Federation is a massive industrial powerhouse on their border.
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Ked Paddah also got fleshed out, plus the Kadesh.
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I suppose the Federation beating back the Sydraxians and offering typical peaceful relations/"you don't need to involve yourself in our conflicts" would probably be helpful on that front. And it would be true, too - the Federation doesn't really need Yrillian material if war with the Cardassian comes, so there's no need to be heavy-handed.
But yeah, one side of the brewing civil war almost certainly has heavy Cardassian support.
Torgamous
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I think you'll find that the Cardassians were all at a party on another planet during the coup, so they couldn't possibly have been involved.
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Hmmm... I wonder if the Federation can't use the idea of 'prudence' to sway them into not fighting the crazy scientists. Perhaps hinting that it might be possible to sway the Licori and/or the Gaeni into moderation. Or, for that matter, appealing to them as being a 'prudent' choice for an interstellar affiliation - after all, while the Federation is somewhat expansionistic at present, they're doing so diplomatically rather than through force, they've demonstrated recent capability in removing extinction-type threats (the biophage), and while there's a difference between 'moderation' and 'multi-culturalism', the Federation's form of the latter tends to result in quite a bit of the former.
If my omake is canon, and @OneirosTheWriter has taken quite a lot from it, the Cardassians are attempting to back a "pro-centralist government" faction among the Yrillians. Problematically (from our perspective), a stronger central government would help the Yrillians address a number of societal problems that they currently don't have the unity to properly confront.
On the positive side, if they think the Federation isn't democratic enough they probably loathe Cardassian autocratic government. But alas, history in the real world has shown that democracies are quite capable of cozying up to autocracies when it seems to be in their political benefit.
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@OneirosTheWriter , you've forgotten to add the Dylaarians to your list.
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The Gaeni maybe, but the Federation doesn't have much pull with the Licori, and from what we see their government is quite content with the current status of things. Also note that the Ked Paddah are markedly not at war with the Gaeni, despite some desire to.
Honestly, the more we learn about Licori society, the more reasonable the Ked Paddah seem. Living near the Licori must be like living next to a volcano.
I'm not too worried about the Ked Paddah attacking the Gaeni. Picking a fight with a species that has a mutual-defense pact with a huge multi-species coalition seems like the least prudent thing I can imagine, and the Gaeni would have to do something to really scare the crap out of them to justify it. No doubt Gaeni diplomats have been very smug with the Ked Paddah over the past few years, sliding across the table some estimates of Federation fleet strength and making comments about how much their Federation friends love them.
"Why, we repaired one of their capital ships for them just a few years ago! What a show of trust and love; truly our Federation friends will look after us just as we looked after them."
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I wonder if Cardassian actions vis a vis Celos might be used to tilt against welcoming Cardassian aid. "Celos was seized by a criminal-backed group and Cardassia immediately rushed for them, only to be willing to immediately trade that backing away"... alternatively, "... and then did nothing afterwards as that government they recognized was overthrown in turn".
Point. Although I suspect the Federation *could* mellow the Licori out given a decent amount of time. They're big enough that the Licori can't really ignore or fight them and they've got "thinking machines". A generation or two of Licori growing up with an example that maybe thinking machines aren't that bad and, well...
Mostly I want the Ked Paddah to be willing to exist in the same multi-species political grouping as the Gaeni. Admittedly, the Gaeni alone are probably making the Romulans a wee bit nervous; the Ked Paddah becoming Federation affiliates would get them twitchier than a tribble on a five-cup-a-day coffee habit (although the Licori's proximity to Romulan space probably already causes a certain amount of headaches among the Senate).
Say nothing on Lecarre?
Would think, if they contain info on other species, surely there's more on Lecarre considering how much they sneak around. The Cardassian would keep wary tabs on them.
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Here's some food for thought:
What are the odds of the treaty being public knowledge outside the High Command + trusted? If a treaty is broken, but the people don't know, do they still lose face?
What are the odds of the treaty being public knowledge outside the High Command + trusted? If a treaty is broken, but the people don't know, do they still lose face?
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Gaeni Ambassador: "So there I was, right, with Admiral Sousa, I was, and I said, Admiral, I said, because it always pays to be respectful, I said, Admiral, on a scale of one to lots, how much do you love the Gaeni? And you know what she said?"I'm not too worried about the Ked Paddah attacking the Gaeni. Picking a fight with a species that has a mutual-defense pact with a huge multi-species coalition seems like the least prudent thing I can imagine, and the Gaeni would have to do something to really scare the crap out of them to justify it. No doubt Gaeni diplomats have been very smug with the Ked Paddah over the past few years, sliding across the table some estimates of Federation fleet strength and making comments about how much their Federation friends love them.
"Why, we repaired one of their capital ships for them just a few years ago! What a show of trust and love; truly our Federation friends will look after us just as we looked after them."
Ked Paddah Ambassador: "You've told me this story twenty-seven times since yesterday."
Gaeni: "She said, words cannot express our love for the Gaeni. Ain't that lovely?"
Ked Paddah: "*under breath* Murder is imprudent, murder is imprudent..."
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Lecarre?
Lecarre!?
Who said anything about Lecarre? What's your angle, Jirin? You're acting very suspicious. How do I know you're actually Jirin and not some shapeshifting Lecarre spy trying to find out what we know??
(PS, the Lecarre have been in there for a long time, look above "Honiani")
The Lecarre are in there between the Qloathi and the Honiani. If you were expecting more material, well, remember that these are supposed to be very short summaries for the benefit of the players remembering who everyone is, not the sum total of Federation intelligence.
Eh, I don't know. They are explicitly an autocratic empire. They really seem more the Romulan's speed, actually, if the Romulans allowed aliens into their club.
Well after it's signed the Federation will publicize the details, and the Cardassians not denying it will be be an admission it's correct. They can hardly say, "We never signed that." If they were going to do that, they wouldn't sign in the first place.
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I think you mean right below the word "Honiani". And right below the word "Betazoid". And right below...
Torgamous
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How diplomatic. I'd bet the Ked Paddah will find they feel much the same way, if they actually dissect that sentence.
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Well, the thing is, this is Trek. Psionics isn't magic. You can science it. It's entirely possible that the Cardassians poured a bunch of research teams into "block mind-meld" and "oh god Betazoids" and one of the reasons they refused to negotiate until now was they didn't have the ability to cope with these things. In the Alternate Cardassian Universe of this quest they're kidnapping people to test their anti-pisonics techniques and praying the Federation doesn't act before they're ready.
It's a possibly reasonable concern, yes. In that "possibly" though lies a great deal of "Not actually a reasonable concern yet." It needs to be noted, but it does not constitute enough information to worry as much as you are or to act on.
EDIT: In fact, it really still doesn't. Consider this is a species we've actually had no contact with. It's not like the Cardassians are making as much use of them as we are of the Betazoids. (They probably don't even want to, considering the nature of Cardassian internal power structure.)
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Torgamous
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He'd have to pay them royalties if he tried.
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Which leads to war, and...
"Mr Oneiros, you have just woken up from a three hundred year cryogenic suspension, there's no need to risk yourself in our wars!"
"Are you kidding!? I finally have the opportunity to launch anti-matter warheads at the MPAA, I wouldn't miss this for the world!"