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Krabad would by my choice for officer exchange, that gets a Rigellans into the EC panel in a few years
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8 Enlisted a year? I mean, it makes sense, but wow!
I might remember incorrectly, but don't the Turtleships have pretty high D, which also counts as the 'speed' stat now?
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It is 30 pp for amending anti syndicate legislation, still that would also mean we could not do anything but the Ambassador and legislation as those cost 64pp combined and we would only have 68
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Only if we also take the option to acquire more influence (20 pp) with the option to amend the legislation (30pp). Was that the plan? Because I seem to remember us already picking the first one last year.
It's more like I've given up on the Amending the Syndicate legislation or indeed anything else other than starting the Ambassador. Don't forget, we also owe the Pacifists use of 15pp!
So we have 78 -15 = 63pp right now. Are we really going to get another 21 pp in one quarter of Captain's Logs? I doubt it. But, eh, you're probably right that there are more productive things to use it on than this officer exchange. I'll edit my vote.
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I think it is, actually. Getting the Honiani on our side quickly would give us a powerful ally that can hit the Sydraxians from their coreward flank if shit hits the fan. 10 PP is steep, but if Zang does a good job it could save us a lot of trouble within the coming year.
And, well, its possible we won't be able to afford both the Ambassador and Syndicate projects this quarter even with those ten pp.
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I don't think the +25 relations with the Honiani from that option is going to make the difference to be honest. Actually, I personally can't imagine the Honiani joining us in this war unless we somehow manage to reach something like 300+ with them.
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True.
But...this is a culture we know so little about. Its just so sad if we have to pass up on this opportunity because of this endless fucking grind with the Syndicate.
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Come to think of it, shouldn't the Honiani exchange be something that gives us pp, a la the Stargazer?
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They already are our affiliates, so the +25 relations is just one decent yearly roll, or 1/4 of a diplomatic push.
It's 30pp for the amendment itself, 20pp to get influence to spend on it.
It's possible, and would still be somewhat possible with the 10pp spent, we gained 40pp in a single quarter before, but it would be a heck of a lot less likely. Even if it doesn't end up making a difference for those particular two issues we will still be able to spend the pp on something useful, perhaps a starbase in the Gabriel Expanse.
That would delay those benefits for another year, with no useful research finishing during the extra year. Delaying the project would also be a significant headache and require either leaving UP idle for a year or making them drop a filler project next year, and full teams dropping projects is something we have been avoiding and may not even be allowed at all anymore (without costing another 5pp).
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[x][ANDOR] Agree
[x][AMARKI] Fleet Strike Force - +1 C, +1 L, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C5 S2 H3 L5 P3 D4 - 100br/100sr)
[x][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.
[X][HONIANI] Deny
[X][PRIORITY] Rigel Mid-Term Priority: Change from "Freighter Expansion" to "Increase Budget"
[x][AMARKI] Fleet Strike Force - +1 C, +1 L, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C5 S2 H3 L5 P3 D4 - 100br/100sr)
[x][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.
[X][HONIANI] Deny
[X][PRIORITY] Rigel Mid-Term Priority: Change from "Freighter Expansion" to "Increase Budget"
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If that were the case, it would be an option that gives us nothing but advantages without any cost if taken. It wouldn't make any sense for Oneiros to give an option like that.
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And the idea was to spend another 20pp this year for more to make it worthwhile opening up the legislation in the first place.
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I thought it was to split the 50pp cost over two years; five influence is not nothing.
In any case, I like Leila Hann's vote, so...
[X][ANDOR] Deny
[X][AMARKI] Fleet Strike Force
[X][RIGEL] As effective defensive pickets, using the strong science and speed of their escorts to police against raiders.
[X][HONIANI] Pick any Commander - Officer will spend 2 years with Honiani, will become an Explorer Panel Captain upon return, gain +25 with Honiani, Costs 10pp (Jennifer Zhang)
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[x][ANDOR] Deny
[x][AMARKI] Fleet Strike Force - +1 C, +1 L, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C5 S2 H3 L5 P3 D4 - 100br/100sr)
[x][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.
[x][HONIANI] Deny
We can't afford the 10 pp expenditure unless we want to delay the Ambassador for at least a year if not longer
[x][AMARKI] Fleet Strike Force - +1 C, +1 L, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C5 S2 H3 L5 P3 D4 - 100br/100sr)
[x][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.
[x][HONIANI] Deny
We can't afford the 10 pp expenditure unless we want to delay the Ambassador for at least a year if not longer
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[X][ANDOR] Deny
[X][AMARKI] Fleet Workhorse - +1 S, +1 P, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C4 S3 H3 L4 P4 D4 - 100br/100sr)
[ ][AMARKI] Fleet Strike Force - +1 C, +1 L, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C5 S2 H3 L5 P3 D4 - 100br/100sr)
[X][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.
[ ][RIGEL] As effective defensive pickets, using the strong science and speed of their escorts to police against raiders
[X][HONIANI] Deny
[X][AMARKI] Fleet Workhorse - +1 S, +1 P, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C4 S3 H3 L4 P4 D4 - 100br/100sr)
[ ][AMARKI] Fleet Strike Force - +1 C, +1 L, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C5 S2 H3 L5 P3 D4 - 100br/100sr)
[X][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.
[ ][RIGEL] As effective defensive pickets, using the strong science and speed of their escorts to police against raiders
[X][HONIANI] Deny
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I don't think it makes much sense to make the mechanical downside of what realistically should be a no-brainer (who would turn down an officer exchange in a situation like this?) severe enough to make it a no-brainer in the opposite direction mechanically, though. If it has to have a mechanical downside it should be 1-2pp or something like that. Or offer two different ways in which the officer exchange (or a mutually exclusive related action) could happen with different mechanical effects.
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We can afford it
We can afford it
Yeah, it is pretty severe for something that is effectively costless as far as the Federation is concerned. If we were doing something like exchanging an entire ship with them for a full year, it would make more sense.
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[x][ANDOR] Deny
[x][AMARKI] Fleet Strike Force - +1 C, +1 L, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C5 S2 H3 L5 P3 D4 - 100br/100sr)
[x][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.
[x][HONIANI] Deny
10pp is too much.
[x][AMARKI] Fleet Strike Force - +1 C, +1 L, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C5 S2 H3 L5 P3 D4 - 100br/100sr)
[x][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.
[x][HONIANI] Deny
10pp is too much.
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Holy crap, Honiani have a C7 S5 D5 explorer and the Seyek have C9 S6 D5 explorer! Qloathi, despite having an penchant for exploration, have explorers about as slow as the Rigellian Megatortoise.
Apiata a genuine tier 2 power as expected. And holy hell, they have more engineering ships (38) than all of Federation combined (31), leading to a ludicrous amount of spc! What the heck are the bees up to?
Comparing incomes from 2312 MWCO and 2313 MWCO:
Income increases:
Andor - 5br 5sr
Vulcan - 5br 5sr
Tellarites - 5br 5sr
Humans - 10br 10sr
Amarki - 55br 50sr 1O 3E 2T
Betazoids - no change
Caitian - no change
Rigel - 10sr 0.25O 0.25E 0.25T
Apiata - new
Indoria - new
So yeah, that's what that "boost of emergency spending" in Amarkia is equating to.
So, we already know Rigel had unbalanced SR/BR/O income relative to their E and T income, despite having similar ship crew requirements as Starfleet. But they have already increased income a bit, so they're clearly already improving here without any pushing, albeit slowly.
But Apiata having only 0.5 officers? With the amount of ships they build annually, I don't see how that can make sense, unless their ships have sub-1 officer reqs.
@OneirosTheWriter, can you please give us the crew reqs of the Apiata ship classes?
Well, both of these options are still inferior to the Renaissance - and that would be fine if these ships were actually cheaper than the Rennie, but they're 20sr more expensive!
I wish they had an option for reducing the SR cost significantly.
edit: Actually, the Hebrinda is a 2E and 1T cheaper than the Renaissance, so if the Amarki are having a crew bottleneck, the Hebrinda is a arguably better choice. But looking at the Amarki income, it's more likely that they'll have a crew surplus. Starfleet has about 5X the BR and SR income, and about 3-4X the crew income, and our SR bottleneck isn't that far behind our crew bottlenecks.
Strong science, okay. Strong speed? Their escorts only have D2!
From a purely Starfleet-selfish perspective, this is about on par with scrapping. If the Andorian Guard asked this in a couple years, I'd be all for it, but now is like the worst time to ask.
There are (or were) three options:
1) Spend 30pp to "finalize" the legislation with +5 influence
2) Spend 50pp to finalize the legislation with +10 influence - almost surely too expensive
3) Spend 20pp to bank another +5 influence to spend next year - given the urgency of the Syndicate situation, I really really don't want to delay again
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Not if we want to ammend the anti syndicate legislation and start the Ambassador. Those cost 64, and we have 15 promised to the pacifists which is 79 and we are at 78 pp currently