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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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[X][ANDOR] Deny
[X][AMARKI] Fleet Strike Force
[X][RIGEL] As effective defensive pickets, using the strong science and speed of their escorts to police against raiders.
[X][HONIANI] Pick any Commander - Officer will spend 2 years with Honiani, will become an Explorer Panel Captain upon return, gain +25 with Honiani, Costs 10pp (Jennifer Zhang)

Aside from the possible RP shortfall, is there any reason delaying the Ambassador an additional year is really that terrible?
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
I'm going to slash the SR. cost for the Hebrinda-A back to 70sr to make it more in line with the others. A lot of Federation tech helping out no doubt :V
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If that's the case, then now the Hebrinda-A Fleet Strike Force variant is to the Renaissance as the Miranda-A is to the Centaur-A - slighter weaker in combat but also cheaper in resources and crew:

Hebrinda-A (Fleet Strike Force variant):
C5 S2 H3 L5 P3 D4
Cost[100br, 70sr, 3 years], Crew [O-3, E-3, T-2]

Renaissance:
C5 S3 H4 L5 P4 D5
Cost[100br, 80sr, 3 years], Crew [O-3, E-5, T-3]

I judge that an adequate trade-off so switching my vote over to it.

[X][PRIORITY] Rigel Mid-Term Priority: Change from "Freighter Expansion" to "Increase Budget"
[X][ANDOR] Deny
[X][AMARKI] Fleet Strike Force - +1 C, +1 L, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C5 S2 H3 L5 P3 D4 - 100br/100sr)
(retconned to 70sr)
[X][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.
[X][HONIANI] Deny
 
Torgamous said:
If they are, that's on whatever obstructionist in the council is responsible for the 10pp cost.

Looking at those, I'm realizing that I'd be disappointed if they really only have one visual design per class. Part of their design process should be leaving room for aesthetic variance.
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According to the spreadsheet, they also have a light cruiser and a few outdated ships that are still in service. I might add at least the modern light cruiser to the illustration, which should help a bit.

Or did you mean that the different classes looked too similar to each other? If so...its kind of a difficult balance for me, capturing the artistry of their shipbuilding culture while still keeping all their ships recognizably Honiani.
 
Leila Hann said:
The spreadsheet just said "heavy escort," "explorer," etc, so I made up names for them myself. If you tell me their actual names, I'll happily edit.
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Explorers:
Basilica of Lakhept - "Flagship", lol-enormous 4mt explorer
Basilica - Modern Explorer, around the level of an Excelsior, 2.5mt
Cathedral - Old Explorer, somewhat weaker, but not hugely, 2mt

Cruisers:
Reliquary - 1.2mt, slower new-gen cruiser
Chapel - old sub 1mt cruiser

Escort:
Monastery - Modern escort, Centaur-A generation
Parish - Old tough little ship

pheonix89 said:
Ok, seriously, what's the IC logic for an officer exchange running 10pp? The OOC logic is obvious - it's the cost of the +25 relationship, which is what, something like a max diplo push roll?

But I can't figure out why allowing it runs more than a new mining colony IC.
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Because it's a matter of politics, not a matter of material. The Honiani are very new to Federation affiliation, after all.
 
Leila Hann said:
According to the spreadsheet, they also have a light cruiser and a few outdated ships that are still in service. I might add at least the modern light cruiser to the illustration, which should help a bit.

Or did you mean that the different classes looked too similar to each other? If so...its kind of a difficult balance for me, capturing the artistry of their shipbuilding culture while still keeping all their ships recognizably Honiani.
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No, I mean their Basilicas should look different from each other. Not so different that they'd need their own systems research, but maybe different steeples and towers and statues and stained transparisteel in different places and stuff. However much difference can be justified within the same class.
 
[X][ANDOR] Deny

[X][AMARKI] Fleet Workhorse - +1 S, +1 P, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C4 S3 H3 L4 P4 D4 - 100br/100sr)

[X][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.

[X][HONIANI] Deny

We need to save the PP. I like narrative bonuses and increased relations as much as the next guy, but we can't afford it.
 
It occurs to me that if the Lecarre had just waited, played nice, and asked for an officer exchange, we would've handed them an officer to impersonate free of charge.
 
[X][ANDOR] Deny

[X][AMARKI] Fleet Workhorse - +1 S, +1 P, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C4 S3 H3 L4 P4 D4 - 100br/100sr)

[X][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.

[X][HONIANI] Deny
 
[X][ANDOR] Deny
[X][AMARKI] Fleet Strike Force - +1 C, +1 L, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C5 S2 H3 L5 P3 D4 - 100br/100sr)
[X][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.
[X][HONIANI] Jennifer Zhang
 
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Torgamous said:
No, I mean their Basilicas should look different from each other. Not so different that they'd need their own systems research, but maybe different steeples and towers and statues and stained transparisteel in different places and stuff. However much difference can be justified within the same class.
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Ah. I agree.

Think of my illustrations as an example of each class.

OneirosTheWriter said:
Explorers:
Basilica of Lakhept - "Flagship", lol-enormous 4mt explorer
Basilica - Modern Explorer, around the level of an Excelsior, 2.5mt
Cathedral - Old Explorer, somewhat weaker, but not hugely, 2mt

Cruisers:
Reliquary - 1.2mt, slower new-gen cruiser
Chapel - old sub 1mt cruiser

Escort:
Monastery - Modern escort, Centaur-A generation
Parish - Old tough little ship
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Hahahaha 4 million tons what the fuck.

Alright. I'll change the names, and add the Basilica of Lakhept and Chapel to the pic. Chapel will probably just be smaller, less armored version of the Reliquary with the same nacelles.
 
It occurs to me that either we resolve the current crisis peacefully and get a boatload of PP or we're at war... in which case changing the Anti-syndicate Slavery Actually is literally not an issue any more.
 
[X][ANDOR] Deny

[X][AMARKI] Fleet Workhorse - +1 S, +1 P, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C4 S3 H3 L4 P4 D4 - 100br/100sr)

[X][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.

[X][HONIANI] Deny
 
So I've been looking at the spreadsheet screenshot, seeing if anything jumps out about Member World priorities. Things I've noticed:

1. The Apiaita and Indorians have no hospital ships for some reason. Should we suggest they design one, or build a Federation design once we've completed that?
2. The Apiata seem to use their engineering ships as replacements for freighters, which is why they have so many of them. Is there a reason they do that? Should we suggest a freighter design?
3. Are the Apiata using their Colony ships as passenger liners, perhaps because most of them don't feel comfortable traveling unless in a very large group?

Nothing else jumps right now. I wish I had a better idea if there were any priorities it would be useful to shift.
 
pheonix89 said:
Ok, seriously, what's the IC logic for an officer exchange running 10pp? The OOC logic is obvious - it's the cost of the +25 relationship, which is what, something like a max diplo push roll?

But I can't figure out why allowing it runs more than a new mining colony IC.
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Because we are in political black hole and any weird action will reflect bad on us?
 
[X][ANDOR] Deny

[X][AMARKI] Fleet Strike Force - +1 C, +1 L, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C5 S2 H3 L5 P3 D4 - 100br/100sr)

[X][RIGEL] As effective defensive pickets, using the strong science and speed of their escorts to police against raiders

[X][HONIANI] Jennifer Zhang
 
[X][ANDOR] Deny

This just isn't a very good deal, and we're gonna refit those sooner or later anyways.

[x][AMARKI] Fleet Workhorse - +1 S, +1 P, +1 D, 30br/20sr (Final figure C4 S3 H3 L4 P4 D4 - 100br/100sr)

We can use the combat platforms, but the Aramaki should at least try to not feak the Vulcans out.

[x][RIGEL] As heavy combat forces, using their Megatortoises and Turtleships in pitched battle.

You guys do have this hat of 'big sturdy ships' and we could use those.

[X][HONIANI] Deny

Honiani: hey guys we want to talk about an officer exchan-
 
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