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Damn, that explains a lot about just why ramming was the solution.

If both Sayle and yourself are amenable to it, both in this instance and more generally in the future, would you mind sharing stuff like this with the thread when it comes up in retrospectives? Stuff like the D-7 decapitation are amazing in their own right, but knowing the context behind it only serves to enhance the sheer awesomeness of the event (like said event being the end of a successful response to an ambush).

Oh yeah, like to be clear it was only a a fairly vague discussion of scenes that might factor into the retrospective, not any more specific knowledge. I would never want to like, dangle proverbial breadcrumbs of that sort of stuff, nor do I have them.

(It's also why I tagged Sayle in my post, to give him the chance to talk more about it.)
 
Just to clarify, did the Enterprise survive the events of the 3rd movie in this timeline or did the full rebuild still count as one ship?

I noticed that there were 18 unique names and 18 ships launched so figured that it meant that the Enterprise managed to survive.

It strikes me as weird that they'd build a whole new (outdated) Constitution-class refit ship only a couple of years before it became so old it was decommissioned. My guess was they took an existing ship and just put a new name on it, like how the Sao Paulo became a second Defiant.
 
Just to clarify, did the Enterprise survive the events of the 3rd movie in this timeline or did the full rebuild still count as one ship?

I noticed that there were 18 unique names and 18 ships launched so figured that it meant that the Enterprise managed to survive.
Traditionally USS Enterprise A is meant to be the constitution refit Yorktown (per Star Trek Encylcopedia third edition page 572) given a new name, presumably not long after she was refit. I imagine one of the swords is going to get that honour, possibly one of the fictional ones.
 
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I really like that the focus of the retrospective wasn't on combat.

Starfleet is here to help people and solve problems. Most of the time the problems don't need to be shot.
 
It strikes me as weird that they'd build a whole new (outdated) Constitution-class refit ship only a couple of years before it became so old it was decommissioned. My guess was they took an existing ship and just put a new name on it, like how the Sao Paulo became a second Defiant.
Whilst not a canon source the Star Trek encyclopaedia does state that she was the renamed USS Yorktown. Apropos of nothing but how it's ordered in the DITL page for them I think Dyrnwyn would be a good fit, she's the 13th ship mentioned (like Yorktown on DITL) and as a part of the last batch of Excaliburs she's not only chronologically younger she's probably also got a lot less wear on her hull due to not being commissioned until 2243 (no three hard war years like the others).
 
Now I'm imagining years down the line when the Federation starts experimenting with detachable hulls and the Klingons attempt the decapitation maneuver only to be surprised when the "head" comes to life after and snipes the offending BoP. The Captain should be called Jojo for the sheer bullshit.
 
It strikes me as weird that they'd build a whole new (outdated) Constitution-class refit ship only a couple of years before it became so old it was decommissioned. My guess was they took an existing ship and just put a new name on it, like how the Sao Paulo became a second Defiant.

In fairness it seems like there's about seven years between The Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country. Militaries and real-world organisations have made seemingly stranger budgetary decisions before. But repurposing another ship (or even bits and pieces of another damaged ship, if the secondary hull from the Enterprise was salvageable) definitely makes the most practical sense.
 
Now that I think about it... Jojo vs Dio would 100% be a thing the klingons would watch (given its the honourable* vs the dishonourable Cur and how honour will prevail)**

*Jojo would fit the idea of honour for klingons

**Dio sure as hell aint honourable and bar the time Jojo's gramps gets killed and body jacked ALL the jojo bloodline (except world over heaven dio) successfully beat dio like a drum when his ugly mug shows up...


That asside... Wonder how this will be represented (the D7 vs the Excalibur) in klingon media (I mean... the battle would probably be something they will look back on fondly)
 
Seems like based on the latest update the Excalibur class could have a reasonable chance in a 2 to 1 fight. It was kind of suggested by the effect the effect the weapons would have already as well, but I guess together with the extremely powerful thrusters it even has 'some' non zero chance of surviving/winning a 3 to 1 at times even. That kind of survivability and fightability must have given it quite a few more engagement options during the war. (or withdrawal if need be)

Based on that and the extremely high speeds it could sustain for quite awhile like Warp 8 in the scene presented. I'm guessing it was rather useful in helping keep the Federation protected from the worst in the war with the Klingon Empire darting from hot spot to hot spot when required. Though considering the counterattack, it is likely the Klingon managed to push some distance in to Federation space and then towards the end of the war got pushed back to the border or something like that I suspect.

At the least there was no suggestion of territory loss, so for now I suspect things ended in a bit of a stalemate, where neither side wished to risk overextending in to the teeth of the other sides military strength when backed by their full logistic network.


So Federation took some damage, probably nothing all to severe though considering the Pharos network still seems to be present, and so managed to get through things well enough at least. If that is the case the Excalibur class succeeded admirably at its main goal and seems to have done some what reasonably afterwards as well for what was a tactical ability first design.
 
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That IS the kind of thing that would happen XD Darn quantum fissures.

Impressed but a bit concerned at the focus on war over science. Not excessively though, it's not like this ship is Terran or anything. Scotty is jealous of the engines and machine shop.
Better (or worse? ) TOS, Kelvin, and Temporal "Enterprise" meet in a neutral "Realm." "Manage" to ascertain that it's not a Mirror verse scenario... and then get to looking at the the design changes. And commenting. (Bigger question, is Kelvin Scotty going to the only one flinging shit at the other two? )

I'd love to see someone write an omake involving that. Something like ours, TOS and whoever else just ending up somehow in the Kelvin timeline or whoevers and just ending up comparing the differences between their ships visually, internally, and tech wise. Probably even mention past events or something. Especially the different counterparts of the crews interacting with eachother, such as the different experiences Kirk had in the past?

Probably also brief mention of whatever event/Entity of the week that allowed this to even happen in the first place.

I've no idea how it would go down, but man I'd love to read an omake or two about this.
Me too.
 
The fact that the Excaliburs cost more but still had more produced than the Constitution in the end is all the indication we need that we made a worthy vessel.
And also all the indication we need that our big economic development focus paid off, that even a Starfleet who wanted that many Excaliburs despite their cost was actually able to afford them.
 

I was sort of imagining a horizontal "two semicircles" arrangement rather than the hamburger bun arrangement there, with the engineering hull acting as the bridge between them and the nacelles conformal to the interior edges of the halves. That way, you get slightly less protection for the nacelles (being visible from top and bottom as well as in between them, rather than merely between them and outboard, but in exchange you can use a pair of conventional half-saucer hulls and give the nacelles a bit more room.
 
The Excalibur-class is definitely growing on me. Love its design. Wasn't sure about the half-saucer at first, but I think it looks pretty cool. All in all, I think the ship turned out pretty well.

Its pleasant to see another ship bear the name Enterprise.
 
I was sort of imagining a horizontal "two semicircles" arrangement rather than the hamburger bun arrangement there, with the engineering hull acting as the bridge between them and the nacelles conformal to the interior edges of the halves. That way, you get slightly less protection for the nacelles (being visible from top and bottom as well as in between them, rather than merely between them and outboard, but in exchange you can use a pair of conventional half-saucer hulls and give the nacelles a bit more room.
Do you mean something like this? (This is a quick kludge, mind.)
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Really surprised that the OTL Connie couldn't even make Warp 8 though, I guess that's one of the tradeoffs of a much weaker Warp 8 engine than what we designed and being the first ship to get the Warp 8 Engine.
Yeah, not only was their Warp 8 engine explicitly not as developed/future-proof as ours (the price they paid for making it refittable), but it was also heavily tuned for high efficient cruise speed at the cost of sprint speed, warmup time, and maintenance complexity. Canon Connie cruises at one of the highest percentages of its maximum speed of any Trek ship, ever.
a horizontal "two semicircles" arrangement rather than the hamburger bun arrangement there, with the engineering hull acting as the bridge between them and the nacelles conformal to the interior edges of the halves.
This is a really neat idea, and I'd love to mess around with it at some point (maybe for our internal workhorse light/medium cruiser?), but for an explorer I reeeeeeeally want to do something with vertical nacelles. They look cool, they're different, and they cruise fantastically (which is key for explorers); when we get the new nacelles to go with our new engine the result should be something amazing.

Also, we haven't gotten to do much with inline engineering hulls in a while on grounds of "the bulge needed for a forward deflector takes up precious internal space, precious frontal area for weapons, and interferes with fields of fire for the remaining weapons on top of that". An explorer with a huge new hull (and with any luck, the next-gen deflector occupying at least marginally less space) can afford to mount a forward deflector.

My dream Excelsior-equivalent is a slightly-elongated-oval full-saucer (hinting at the teardrop saucers to come) and a big inline engineering hull mounting vertical nacelles, but I admit a pure circular saucer+vertical nacelles conformation with no engineering hull at all would look incredibly cool, even if it'd be rather less practical.
 
Eh, I mean, we know from TOS Season 3's The Paradise Syndrome the canon Constitution can make warp factor 9 for 4 hours.

Edit: okay, duration seems to be a bit ambiguous but per this script hosting website the Enterprise can definitely reach warp factor 9.

'SCOTT: I can't give you warp nine much longer, Mister Spock. These engines are beginning to show signs of stress.



SCOTT [OC]: Don't ask for anymore warp nine speeds, Mister Spock. Our star drive is completely burned out. The only thing we have left is impulse power.'
 
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but for an explorer I reeeeeeeally want to do something with vertical nacelles. They look cool, they're different, and they cruise fantastically (which is key for explorers); when we get the new nacelles to go with our new engine the result should be something amazing.

Someone upthread mentioned that a vertical setup like that might work well with the torus-saucer idea that's stuck with me for the last little bit. We get a large enough saucer, I imagine you could still do a workhorse cruiser or frigate like that.
 
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