SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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[X] Arrowhead
[X] Full Saucer
[X] Full Saucer
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Omake: Unassailable Logic
- Location
- Most likely California
YEARS IN THE FUTURE, BUT NOT MANY..... or
If Half Saucer Ends Up Winning
The peace talks with the remnants of the Cardassian Union were preceding ahead of schedule.
"How long do you intend to continue with such transparent falsehoods?!"
Unfortunately, this was due to the fact said schedule was based around the estimate of a fully intact, pre-Battle of Cardassia, Union coming to the table, so the relative speed of the talks was more due to the Cardassian skipping the now laughable threats of their mighty fleets and unstoppable armies, and moving straight to insulting accusations towards the other Alpha Quadrant powers.
In this case, it was accusing Starfleet of being a militarist fleet, a more common accusation these days. "How can you continue to sit here, claiming not to have warships, when your fleets crowd the skies of our homeworld?!"
The Federation representative, a young human woman, having been well-trained, did not respond to the blatant provocation. "Our vessels are designed for the peaceful exploration of the galaxy and the service of our worlds. They are not designed for fighting wars, merely to fulfill whatever needs they must, even if that includes self defense."
"Oh. Of course, the USS Century, which destroyed six times its mass in our ships over Bajor was not designed for war. The USS Defiant, a mere escort that terrorized our populace, wasn't designed for war. The Ushaans, which hunt down their targets like predators seeking prey are not warships."
"I admit, the Defiant is borderline, but it is still not a warship."
"Oh, and tell me, what makes it borderline, when a battleship armed with main weapons designed for starbases and enough explosive warheads to destroy a sector doesn't count?"
"Well, it still technically has a full saucer. Just compressed and squashed a bit."
A Pause. For the first time in a full hours, the Cardassian had his mouth open, but had nothing to say. The response was so unexpected, he had to take a moment to consider it, to make sure there was no misunderstand or double meaning. Yet, there was simply no relations between the question and the answer he could tell.
"What does the saucer have to do with it?" "A full saucer is meant to be for general use, a half-saucer is meant for warfare."
Another pause. This time it is broken by a collective groan by the other two representatives, a Romulan and a Klingon, who up until this point had been mostly silent beyond some snide remarks and interjections.
"....Don't. Just...don't." the Klingon, a veteran of a thousand battles, who had laughed in the face of death with a smile, had an uncharacteristic thousand lightyear stare of pure annoyed exasperation that was mirrored on the Romulan's representive.
"Look it's simple. Starfleet makes ships with Saucers to try to maximize the internal size we have in them for extra utilities, which allows for multi-role generalist ships. Hence, if they have a full saucer they aren't a warship!"
Despite the clear warning from the other delgates, the relative newcomer can't help but ask, "But, what does a warship have then?"
"Oh, a half-saucer."
"So you're telling me, if you took a Century and chopped it in half, it would be a warship."
"Well, not literally, but if you removed the the half of the systems and spaces with no direct tactical use, so it would fit all the weapons and tactical systems in half the space, then yes."
"But it literally still has the same military weapons and capabilities, just less utilities." "Yes, exactly!"
The Cardassian turned to the other two representatives hopefully, desperately looking for some way to either disprove or even understand the human's logic, only to be met with a dual look of rare sympathy and understanding, before focusing his attention back at the Federation Representative, "Look, I...fine. Let's take a recess. Just sent me the draft of the current treaty, and I'll look over it."
The Federation representative beamed. "Sure, I'll sent it right over," She said, before reaching into a drawer below the conference table and pulling out a glass bottle. "Oh, sorry, would anyone else like a glass of Root Beer?"
Not happy with ending, but eh. Just wanted to make a joke about how 'the half-saucer for warships, full saucer otherwise' idea would interact with the future federations totally-not-a-warship claims.
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- Location
- Philippines
[X] Full Saucer
- Location
- USA
[X] Full Saucer
- Location
- Philippines
Just like with our ships, rootbeer is a generalist drink, but beer is a war drink.
- Location
- Washington DC
[X] Full Saucer
While I absolutely do prefer the aesthetic of the Half-Saucer, it is also the superior choice here.
We're making a ship for the explicit purpose of fighting a total war against the Romulans. It'll need to be a powerful combatant. But that is all it needs to be right now. We don't have the luxury of going for all the bells and whistles, if we want this ship in the field before the war is over.
The Bulvark is only meant to punch people's teeth in, and it will do that exceedingly well.
We're making a ship for the explicit purpose of fighting a total war against the Romulans. It'll need to be a powerful combatant. But that is all it needs to be right now. We don't have the luxury of going for all the bells and whistles, if we want this ship in the field before the war is over.
The Bulvark is only meant to punch people's teeth in, and it will do that exceedingly well.
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[X] Half-Saucer
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- Earth
[X] Full Saucer
KleverKil'Vanya
Ortillery Operator
[X] Half-Saucer
[X] Full Saucer
Edit: Now that I think about it,, I think I prefer the coverage of the Full Saucer more than the speed for the Half Saucer, we're likely going to be fighting some cloaked ambushers in the future.
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It seems the quest has decided to make NX but bigger. So good luck with that.
Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
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I'm afraid you're far too late. The half-saucer would also have all the space it needs for utilities, and will live a long life as a multi-role vessel after this war is over.
Factually false. We built a science ship class around log journeys and high (albeit not the best so we could get more operational endurance) science. We called them Endeavors. Stop Changing the facts to make your narrative fit. Hell we'd have probably made a replacement Science cruiser ship even earlier if Sayle didn't time skip it as my impression from the thread was it was next until we were told there was no next.
Planned obsolesce and dedicated design still have a chance! We just need to murder the ide that our Battleship uses a full saucer instead of A (Clearly superior) half-saucer.
WilyMachineKing1
Executive Manager of Limbus Company
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- Reno Nevada
A sentence that is rarely uttered has been spoken.
- Location
- Illinois
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Why exactly would we want planned obsolescence? If our ships can stay in service for decades, so much the better, it means more ships to explore and respond to crises.
Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
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Planned obsolescence? We're making starships, not smart phones.
The klingons speak favorably of the renowned SDB knife-fights.
That worked so well for the excelsior and Miranda classes right? They clearly Were good enough for the Dominion war; why build any new ship class if we just can refit the NX-class and stingrays for our needs?
Pff real Klingons love the SDB Fight club and its very simple rules.
Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
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There's a difference between planned obsolescence, and a design becoming obsolete in time.