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luckless21 said:
I view the Excalibur as Starfleet breaking faces while crying about what the Empire made them do by not letting them be nerds in peace.
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As one of the most important people in Starfleet history said, "Do you think we want to fight the Klingons and Borg? No! We want to study fucking quasars! But we do it because it's the right thing to do!"
 
Ebiris said:
Given they end up friends it's gotta be Vegeta.
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The violent, prideful friends. Definitely Vegeta.

edit: Frieza et al are the Dominion

Federation - Gohan, nerd who doesn't want to fight but actually stupidly powerful
Klingons - Vegeta, violent prideful enemies who become violent, prideful friends after we beat them up enough
Vulcans - Piccolo, saved The Federation Gohan a bunch of times until they got themselves sorted
Dominion - Frieza, evil galactic conqueror associated with middle managers and that kind of banal evil. Like the Vorta.
Borg - Cell, obsessed with absorbing things to become perfect.

It's... really far too perfect actually. Especially since both the Borg and Cell arcs involve lots of time travel. So... who are the Androids?
 
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I mean the Romulans could be Gero/Androids, what with being invisible to ki detection and having the whole sneaky data gathering thing going on in the background of the arcs preceding their actual appearance.

Beerus is Q, that one's easy.
 
darkstarling said:
The violent, prideful friends. Definitely Vegeta.

edit: Frieza et al are the Dominion

Federation - Gohan, nerd who doesn't want to fight but actually stupidly powerful
Klingons - Vegeta, violent prideful enemies who become violent, prideful friends after we beat them up enough
Vulcans - Piccolo, saved The Federation Gohan a bunch of times until they got themselves sorted
Dominion - Frieza, evil galactic conqueror associated with middle managers and that kind of banal evil. Like the Vorta.
Borg - Cell, obsessed with absorbing things to become perfect.

It's... really far too perfect actually. Especially since both the Borg and Cell arcs involve lots of time travel. So... who are the Androids?
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Given that they'd have to have multiple differing factions to represent separate "Androids" with both friendly (and overly friendly) as well as ultra aggressive ... "punks" I'd say the Orions (sp?)

{Edit} *Blinks* Of course that suggests that the Denobulons (sp?) are that cat creature that also taught Goku (and less so Gohan)
 
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thepsyborg said:
Yup. I think we should still be able to take lone BoPs confidently despite their modest maneuver advantage, as previously discussed, and getting jumped by multiple BoPs is likely good reason to warp away- or possibly engage briefly to try and swat one of them before warping away from the remainder.
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We're at the point where we it seems we agree on basically all the theory of when it's better to have a rear phaser vs torpedo. So I just want to point at this one specific bit which I think highlights the minor difference of opinion that leads to us ending up on different sides, rather than continue filling the thread with huge effort posts of us mostly agreeing in slightly different ways.

In my opinion, an aft bank that hits just as hard as the launcher 3x more often would put even small multiples of ships into the category that the Darwin can stand it's ground against. Between that, it's maneuverability, us putting the heavier shields on it, and forward tubes I believe 2 BoP could be fought off routinely. 3 should also fall into the category of "doable", but at that point they're playing with serious fire if they make a misstep and any Darwin that are not operating at full capacity for w/e reason, or even just have too green a crew, should be trying to warp away. 4+ BoP would definitely be a no-go for any Darwin.

I believe that would put a firm majority of the Darwin's possible encounters when it's not going out picking fights in the "able to stand it's ground" classification, which would be good for avoiding the appearance of strategic vulnerability in the future to help prevent anyone else trying something similar to another 4 Year War.
 
7th Hex said:
In my opinion, an aft bank that hits just as hard as the launcher 3x more often would put even small multiples of ships into the category that the Darwin can stand it's ground against.
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Keep in mind for an aft bank to fire 3x more often than the rear torpedo, you need to have a BoP at your aft 100% of the time (and no BoP up front, or you're not actually gaining DPS just moving it around).

Because any point in time where the rear phaser can't shoot - or in which the forward phaser can shoot - is a point in which the torpedo tubes can be reloading but the rear phaser can't be firing.
 
darkstarling said:
The violent, prideful friends. Definitely Vegeta.

edit: Frieza et al are the Dominion

Federation - Gohan, nerd who doesn't want to fight but actually stupidly powerful
Klingons - Vegeta, violent prideful enemies who become violent, prideful friends after we beat them up enough
Vulcans - Piccolo, saved The Federation Gohan a bunch of times until they got themselves sorted
Dominion - Frieza, evil galactic conqueror associated with middle managers and that kind of banal evil. Like the Vorta.
Borg - Cell, obsessed with absorbing things to become perfect.

It's... really far too perfect actually. Especially since both the Borg and Cell arcs involve lots of time travel. So... who are the Androids?
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WCSII said:
Given that they'd have to have multiple differing factions to represent separate "Androids" with both friendly (and overly friendly) as well as ultra aggressive ... "punks" I'd say the Orions (sp?)

{Edit} *Blinks* Of course that suggests that the Denobulons (sp?) are that cat creature that also taught Goku (and less so Gohan)
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Of course, since the Vulcans were there since before the Federation, I'd say that they are more Master Roshi, which would make the Andorians Piccolo. The Tellarites (sp?) are argumentative, but ultimately benign. So I can't tell if they'd be Yajurobi (sp?) or Tien. ... Tien, because the Frengi (sp?) would be a better fit for Yajurobi (sp?)
zac1 said:
I was thinking the romulans are babidi.
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Nah, Babidi, while resourceful, relied on other's power. The Kazon would be a better fit. The Romulans would more be the Red Ribbion Army, annoyances that just won't quit.
 
darkstarling said:
The violent, prideful friends. Definitely Vegeta.

edit: Frieza et al are the Dominion

Federation - Gohan, nerd who doesn't want to fight but actually stupidly powerful
Klingons - Vegeta, violent prideful enemies who become violent, prideful friends after we beat them up enough
Vulcans - Piccolo, saved The Federation Gohan a bunch of times until they got themselves sorted
Dominion - Frieza, evil galactic conqueror associated with middle managers and that kind of banal evil. Like the Vorta.
Borg - Cell, obsessed with absorbing things to become perfect.

It's... really far too perfect actually. Especially since both the Borg and Cell arcs involve lots of time travel. So... who are the Androids?
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Nah, Frieza has to be the Romulans. Enemies since forever, constantly a pain, even when we end up teaming up with them they're still a pain, even if they are occasionally helpful, and they do have their own twisted sense of pride and honor, sort of, even if it's never stopped then from committing all of the war crimes.
 
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    • United Federation of Planets Starfleet [2240]
    Size: 150 Starships

    10 Explorers
    10 Sagarmatha-class [2175]
    Sagarmatha, Kilimanjaro, Olympus, Fuji, Denali, Vesuvius, Elbrus, Toubkal, Aoraki, and Sinai.

    28 Tactical Cruisers
    12 Excalibur-class [2234]
    Excalibur, Enterprise, Curtana, Durandal, Tizona, Caladbolg, Joyeuse, Kusanagi, Clarent, Hauteclere, Tryfing, and Hrunting.
    16 Saladin-class [2212]
    Saladin, Hamilcar, Hannibal, Kublai, Temujin, Lysander, Darius, Xerxes, Lionheart, Seljuk, Tamerlane, Cyrus, Atilla, Thutmose, Bonaparte, and Charlemagne.

    78 Engineering Cruisers
    4 Radiant-class [2225]
    Radiant +3 Others
    30 Newton-class [2225]
    Newton +29 Others
    22 Archer-class [2225]
    Archer, Whitworth, Gresley, Stephenson, +18 Others
    22 Cygnus-class [2167]
    Cygnus, Peregrine, Kingfisher, Osprey, Goshawk, Flamingo, Dipper, Grebe, Loon, Stork, Openbill, Adjutant, Heron, Bittern, Pelican, Shoebill, Ibis, Spoonbill, Hamerkop, Auk, Penguin, and Petrel.

    12 Science Cruisers
    12 Kea-class [2211] [Refit 2240]
    Kea, Kakapo, Cockatiel, Macaw, Parrot, Parakeet, Rosella, Iory, Heracles, Rook, Caracara, and Corella.

    22 Frigates
    22 Selachii-class [2190] [Refit 2225]
    Tiger, Hammerhead +20 Others


    Battle of K-5 (April 2240)
    Lost: 2 Newton-class, 3 Selachii-class, 1 Kea (Corella)

    Battle of Pharos Seven (June 2240)
    Lost: 8 Newton-class, 6 Selachii-class, 2 Saladin-class (Saladin, Hamilcar), 1 Excalibur-class (Clarent), 2 Sagarmatha (Fuji, Olympus)

    Skirmishes (2240)
    Lost: 4 Archer-class, 2 Newton-class, 3 Saladin-class (Tamerlane, Bonaparte, Darius), 1 Radiant, 7 Cygnus-class (Osprey, Flamingo, Loon, Adjutant, Bittern, Ibis, Auk)
     
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    • I wonder if the warp core refit incompatibility was part of why so many Excaliburs were built. If warp core production is fixed, then you build as many ships as you have new warp cores (or refit old ones, but if refit is a non-option then).
     
    WCSII said:
    Of course, since the Vulcans were there since before the Federation, I'd say that they are more Master Roshi, which would make the Andorians Piccolo. The Tellarites (sp?) are argumentative, but ultimately benign. So I can't tell if they'd be Yajurobi (sp?) or Tien. ... Tien, because the Frengi (sp?) would be a better fit for Yajurobi (sp?)
    Nah, Babidi, while resourceful, relied on other's power. The Kazon would be a better fit. The Romulans would more be the Red Ribbion Army, annoyances that just won't quit.
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    I'd take the Kazon as the Red Ribbon Army for the same reason...

    MS-21H 'Hawke' said:
    Bit which Starfleet is best: 'Piccolo Garb' Starfleet or 'Goku Garb' Starfleet?
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    I like the Piccolo Garb but then I'm a sucker for robes
     
    Briefvoice said:
    Is the ratio of engineering ships to combat ships normal?
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    I'm guessing "no," given the Newton was explicitly being used as a replacement to the Saladin because of the Saladin's low cruise speed:
    Sayle said:
    Starfleet Tactical considered the Newton as an acceptable replacement for the Saladin in terms of capability, if not in terms of cost. While a scattering of Saladin-class ships continued production as increasing concern developed over Klingon encroachment the cruise speed of the single-nacelle ships was becoming increasingly concerning, the majority of drydocks switched to the Newton.
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    Note that the Saladin is actually a better combatant than the Newton, but being cruise 4.8 to the Newton's cruise 5.6 hurt it badly.
     
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