TheShadowDeamon
Mighty Dragon
So with the 20% boost, the thrust/weight ratio is actually:
180/105 = 1.71
No wonder we could get High with just 1 impulse engine.
180/105 = 1.71
No wonder we could get High with just 1 impulse engine.
So the Soviets didn't really learn their lesson from this event and would go on to do it again. So, with that in mind, what's our F-22 equivalent going to look like?
Ambassador-class? Excelsior is a bit too multirole/mass produced to be anything other than the F-35 (it even comes in three major variations!)So the Soviets didn't really learn their lesson from this event and would go on to do it again. So, with that in mind, what's our F-22 equivalent going to look like?
Timeline's wrong for it. If anything, I'd expect our version of Raptor to be the Mark 1 Excelsior, considering the USAF had intended to mass produce the Raptor if the Cold War hadn't ended (and even if we end the Cold War with the Klingons there's still the Romulans and other powers to justify continued production of Excelsior-class explorers) - with our version of F-35 likely being TTL's equivalent to the Centaur-class, taking technology from the Excelsior and toning it to a more utilitarian/multirole platform.Ambassador-class? Excelsior is a bit too multirole/mass produced to be anything other than the F-35 (it even comes in three major variations!)
The best part is, given that we lost zero Excaliburs against the Klingons despite it being our primary combatant against them, this meme is hilariously close to true (the D7 is a formidable warship, it just got outclassed by the Excalibur, rather than being a hyper-specialized interceptor proclaimed to be a super-fighter).
The best part is, given that we lost zero Excaliburs against the Klingons despite it being our primary combatant against them, this meme is hilariously close to true (the D7 is a formidable warship, it just got outclassed by the Excalibur, rather than being a hyper-specialized interceptor proclaimed to be a super-fighter).
Feels like a perfect setup for a "Damn, the Federation got hands" meme.
Klingons - I'ma fight the Federation
Also Klingons - Damn, Federation's got hands.
The Klingons are looking for a battle, not a fight. They want to prove themselves as warriors. They have no interest in slamming the Empire's face into a wall and losing for no gain.It's kind of hilarious that we ended up losing more Excaliburs to weird Trek space stuff than direct combat with the enemy.
It's kind of hilarious that we ended up losing more Excaliburs to weird Trek space stuff than direct combat with the enemy.
Truly, Starfleet is the Gohan of anime protagonists.I view the Excalibur as Starfleet breaking faces while crying about what the Empire made them do by not letting them be nerds in peace.
That makes the eugenics war era Humanity Goku and the Vulcans Piccolo.
In fairness, I've yet to find a species with gonads where they aren't vulnerable to starship-grade phaser fire.
105kt. You forgot the +20% impulse boost from the warp core.
But are the Klingons Radish, or freezer?That makes the eugenics war era Humanity Goku and the Vulcans Piccolo.
Poor phrasing on my part, sorry. To clarify: there's an enormous gulf between "an enemy which generally outmaneuvers you, which you will not be able to keep your prow on consistently every time your guns cycle over the course of an extended maneuver duel" and "an enemy which outmaneuvers you to such a vast degree that you will never be able to bring your fore armament to bear over the course of an extended maneuver duel".I could think of one quite easily actually: A lower massing craft with the ability to match/exceed the Darwin's maneuverability to stick behind it.
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Sure we could, as you say, rely on luck or the opponent messing up so we can get into position. But why should we make plans based around the whims of fate or the enemy making a mistake? That sounds like a good way to get burned when neither of those go in our favor.
Oh, yeah, absolutely. The Darwin should be generally nimble, dangerous, and tough enough that most plausible foes don't want to try their luck. I really don't want the Fed to look quite so strategically vulnerable again if I can help it.If our goal it to try and prevent another situation where the Federation looks weak for a period and someone jumps on us like the Klingon's did, a good way to do that is to make sure our ships can't be scared off easily.
Yup. I think we should still be able to take lone BoPs confidently despite their modest maneuver advantage, as previously discussed, and getting jumped by multiple BoPs is likely good reason to warp away- or possibly engage briefly to try and swat one of them before warping away from the remainder.I can feel confident saying that most ships that can dance on the Darwin's terms or better is going to be at a mass disadvantage in order to get the nessecary thrust ratio, exactly the kind of thing we wouldn't want to say "Screw it, abort mission warp away" to under that idea.
Agreed.With a statement from Sayle that these are very unlikely to participate in the 4 Year War with all the fleet action that would entail, I expect this kind of encounter to be one of the most likely ones in the time period where the Darwin will be most active. Only really behind "Ship that can't out maneuver the Darwin and gets tagged with forward firepower."
baaaaaaasically lol. If we run into somebody actively taking swings at us with ships that deadly, well, hopefully we've got Callie-Bs or Excelsiors on call, we're gonna need 'em, but no point worrying about it for the Darwin.any unfortunate enough to end up on the wrong end of an ultra-modern Excalibur equivalent, which would very likely fall under the "you just fucking lose" scenario [...] much much rarer encounter though
Given they end up friends it's gotta be Vegeta.
21 shield points!
Damn, only 10k for the nacelles, that was better than I was expecting.
Looks at Franz Joseph blueprints with two photon tubes
Y'all wouldn't know star trek even if it kicked you with a D-10 shaped foot up your ass.
Which is hilarious given that until Trekyards covered it that bit of beta canon was practically unknown to nearly all fans. Now it's just practically unknown to the overwhelming majority of fans.Y'all wouldn't know star trek even if it kicked you with a D-10 shaped foot up your ass.
So, no worse than many of the star trek writers then?Y'all wouldn't know star trek even if it kicked you with a D-10 shaped foot up your ass.