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Also imagine this things speeeeeed when the TMP era refit occurs and the warp9 engine and mk4 nacelles are put in.
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I think that without the Warp 7 cap all of these options would have the same Warp 7.4 max cruise.
The big deal with sprint is about being able to retreat from or force engagements. Almost all starships favor forward torpedo armament, so the pursuing ship if it can overtake will win the pursuit if both are equally sized.
While Sprint isn't as great for fuel efficiency we've got a ton of Pharos Starbases whose job is to keep our ships topped up with antimatter.
The Archer's with their extra antimatter storage should also be able to help with refueling and that task would synergize pretty well with the Archer's main job during the war which was to drop in after fights to help with repairs.
We can also just mount additional antimatter pods.
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Yeah in that sense it's very useful for a military ship. We shouldn't sell it as reaction time but as warp for fight applications.
I'm sold.
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The power of ZOOM! compels you!
SaltyWaffles
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Yeah, going to be honest that it's a little baffling that the super Warp 8 Engine can only comfortably cruise at Warp 6 no matter what we do. Like...Starfleet didn't think making sure the key components of the Warp travel system need to be up to par for the Warp 8 Engine to actually get its intended performance was essential?
@Sayle : I'm having trouble picturing what the Linear configuration even looks like.
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Sadly we've not got the time to design a new nacelle at the moment. Something for after the war, perhaps.
But yeah, I think I will be voting for the Sprint configuration as a primary and approval voting for the linear arrangement in hopes that the Cruise Mafia can be outvoted on this one.
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It's the time crunch. sure, we'd like to design a new nacelle that can handle the power load, but with the Four Year War looming we need the ship yesterday and don't have time to actually do that, so we're still on the Type Three nacelle, which is, as mentioned, nearly a half century old at this point. but sometimes that is the way the cookie crumbles.
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The limiting factor is the warp nacelle, we're ahead of time with the core so naturally the enabling elements like the nacelles will be a bit behind.
Is it just me or this is starting to look like 200 year old ship of Theseus class between new nacelle types and compatible warp 9 core the only clear limitations im seeing is the hull material but for the ship to not have even a internal patrol role has 3rd line the material has to be 3 or more gen behind. Tl dr i think this class will stick for longer than we think.
[ ] Sprint Configuration (6.2/7/8.6) [238c/343c/636c]
Im leaning this because 3 reasons:
1-max cruise is equal to all vessels. Until new nacelle comes it makes no difference on confg.
2-at max warp its a difference of 44 ly in coverage not to mention higher response times seems critical in war.
3- it will be at this time if im not mistaken the fastest warp of any class known, allowing it to pick engagements in offensive actions.
[ ] Sprint Configuration (6.2/7/8.6) [238c/343c/636c]
Im leaning this because 3 reasons:
1-max cruise is equal to all vessels. Until new nacelle comes it makes no difference on confg.
2-at max warp its a difference of 44 ly in coverage not to mention higher response times seems critical in war.
3- it will be at this time if im not mistaken the fastest warp of any class known, allowing it to pick engagements in offensive actions.
Driven by Apathy
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True, but it does mean the enemy can't easily run away from you when you're kicking their butt. You pursue, and they get blown up. Alternatively, it also means you get to run away from the enemy when you're getting your butt kicked. Which is important if you want to avoid being blown up yourself.
A high sprint speed will allow our captains to be much more decisive when choosing engagements. Which, I believe, will prove crucial in ending Klingon aggression. Fouredged Sword is probably correct in his assessment that the best way to end their raiding is by inflicting severe loses on the raiders.
As a primary warship responding to assaults and running down aggressors suggests a sprint focus would be a very potent deterant and could easily catch them by surprise. On the other hand faster cruise speed means far faster patrols covering more volume of space before requiring refueling making area's outside fueling range now an actively influencable sphere.
SaltyWaffles
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Right, it's just that you'd think Starfleet would look at its Warp 8 Engine project and realize at some point over 14 years that it would need to also need to design a more advanced nacelle to properly take advantage of the new engine. Otherwise, why the rush to make the Warp 8 Engine if the nacelle technology wasn't ready to properly harness the engine in the first place?
Because you can't just demand a breakthrough in materials science to occur?
It's still a significant uplift in warp performance, and we presumably expect to develop better nacelles at some point.
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I specifically voted for underslung thinking it would make it easier to justify picking the cruise focused nacelle configuration, but that nerfed max cruise kinda makes it pointless.
[X] Sprint Configuration (6.2/7/8.6) [238c/343c/636c]
I do understand the appeal of zoom at least.
[X] Sprint Configuration (6.2/7/8.6) [238c/343c/636c]
I do understand the appeal of zoom at least.
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The main issue is that this ship has exactly one job: Kill Klingon Battlecruisers. It's not a patrol ship, it's not a raider, it's certainly not an exploration vessel; it's a big knobbly stick with nails in to bash Klingons over the head with until they stop trying to conquer the Federation. That's it.
Likely we need actual testing of the Warp 8 Engine before full prototypes of the Type-4 Nacelle can begin.
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Well, so far anyway. I do think there's merit to designing with an eye for longevity, which does mean ensuring the ship isn't just a one-purpose stick to beat the klingons with until they fuck off.
Shield/Phaser Scaling
| Emitter Type | Size | Shield Power/100kt | Cost/100kt | Base Cost | Power per Base Cost | Status | Maturity Date |
| Type-1 Covariant | Light | 15 | 7.5 | 7.5 | 2.00 | Standard | 2260 |
| Type-1 Covariant | Standard | 20 | 11.4 | 11.4 | 1.75 | Standard | 2260 |
| Type-1 Covariant | Heavy | 25 | 16.7 | 16.7 | 1.50 | Standard | 2260 |
Shield Generators come in three sizes: light, standard, and heavy. The lighter the generator the more efficient it is at producing shield power, but the less output it has. Every generator is equally efficient to a generator of the same size, regardless of technological advancement, but more advanced generators have higher outputs.
Larger ships innately have more powerful shields. The larger the ship, the more overall output the shield system has and the more damage it can weather.
But the shield generator becomes less efficient as a ship becomes increasingly large. After 100kt, every extra ton is less efficient at producing shield power, and this effect compounds. Ships under 100kt are perfectly efficient. But a ship at 500kt is only 95% efficient. By the time any ship reaches 4 million tons its shields are only 50% efficient overall, so it is effectively paying double for each point of shield power compared to a much smaller ship. After 4.1M tons ships gain no more advantage to shield strength by becoming more massive, but do still have to pay the cost of the extra mass in generators.
As technology advances, new shield generators are introduced that have higher outputs. In a new technological generation, medium shields have the same output as a last-generation heavy shield, but retain the better efficiency ratio of their medium size.
The same rules for cost as other technologies apply, with prototype shields costing 25% more and mature shield technology costing 25% less.
Phasers scale from 100kt up to +50% damage at 400kt.
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Efficient cruise vs max cruise is in practice Mostly a matter of fuel efficiency. And thus range. Which can be compensated for with additional anti-matter tanks. Other than that running at max cruise more of the time just means hitting the repair yards for maintenance slightly more often. So efficient cruise speed is less relevant, so long as we're willing (and allowed) to use some of our internal space on fuel tanks.
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I'm voting linear, as it's the closest thing to a Dervish so far.