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10ebbor10 said:
So, is this the cost for the combat monofocus?

Also, wow, the Terran Empire must be fucking up if a single ship can keep them online for a century.
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Nope, that's parallel to the original timeline. A LOT of Constitutions went down to Outside Context Problems.

And yes. The Terran Empire IS fucking up. Turns out being the edgiest edgelords who ever edged isn't actually conducive to an effective society, who'd have thought it?

Note that I don't think it's impossible for Terrans to be civilized. You just need to recognize that they don't have Fight-or-Flight, only Fight, and plan accordingly. Also that they tend to form packs. I'm honestly surprised people don't write Omegaverse fics in the Mirror Universe, it fits far too well with what we see.

But yeah. My headcanon is that Spock didn't fail in his rebellion and get the Empire conquered by the Klingons. Instead we had a Byzantine Empire situation, where Earth was lost but a reformed version of the Empire survived and thought of themselves as the successors. Humans have a similar reputation to Romulans and Orions under the Pax Vulcanium - they're not trustworthy or scrupulous but you can at least live with them.
 
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Strunkriidiisk said:
The real question is what sort of facial hair is popular in our fork of the multiverse. I vote for muttonchops.
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WCSII said:
I have to admit... something inside me died, a little, when you suggested that. Just... why? *pleading beseechment face*
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Endorfinator said:
Also mullets are back in vogue
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darkstarling said:
I'm voting ponytails with an option on braids.
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Fouredged Sword said:
We are the Wild West canon. Everyone has a handlebar mustache.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErkWknx3ctw
 
Please, no nonsense designs where everyone has to trapse through engineering, and/or the engineers through Everything Else, constantly, especially in emergencies .
 
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Hmm, the only letdown, and it's slight, is a lack of an explicit description of the Excalibur-class handily dealing with D6s and D7s, and how the war diverged strategically, economically and politically from the previous because of our choices. At the very least it seems the war was less ruinous, maybe the Klingons called it off when their losses started becoming excessive.

Would've been very gratifying, having the Klingons being all gung-ho. Then they realize we're fielding really good warp 8 drives. Things go downhill from there.

"Ah, no problem, their vessels are weak, their phasers are puny!" "...Ah, sir, their latest phaser designs have fully doubled the yield. And that, "Archer-class", support ship was surprisingly nimble given it's..." "...No problem, we shall still attain victory!"

The Excalibur-class swoops in an ludicrous speed, and promptly mission-kills a D6 with a volley of 5 torpedoes and 2 phaser strikes to the face, and darts out with the speed of a diving falcon, not even pausing as it insolently lobs an aft torpedo and phaser bolt at the D7 leading the flotilla. Chaos ensues.
 
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Cold Dust said:
The Excalibur-class swoops in an ludicrous speed, and promptly mission-kills a D6 with a volley of 5 torpedoes and 2 phaser strikes to the face, and darts out with the speed of a diving falcon, not even pausing as it insolently lobs an aft torpedo and phaser bolt at the D7 leading the flotilla. Chaos ensues.
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"...What in the name of Kah'less was that, Tactical Officer?"
"I...do not know, Captain."
 
landcollector said:
"...What in the name of Kah'less was that, Tacitical Officer?"
"I...do not know, Captain."
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The Klingons all freeze and their pupils widen slightly as sensors ping, and a magnified image shows 2 more Excalibur-class vessels slip from the dark side of the planet and start moving with deadly, silent grace and uncanny speed to rendezvous with their fellow, followed by an escort of 6 Andorian combat cruisers, with a Sagarmatha and an Archer-class following more slowly as rearguard.

"Captain, analysis of enemy weapons confirm they've doubled their phaser yield. It is unknown if this upgrade is confined to this new class of battlecruiser. Targeting computers had difficulty locking onto the enemy due to its extreme acceleration and agility."

"...We were told the Federation was weak! When was this new technology deployed?!"

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Dragonlord7012 said:
Those madlads found the secret "This End Towards Enemy" plaque.
TODO: Add ram-prows to all combat ships so this can become 'Just a thing Federation ships might do.'
Lets make ships not afraid to headbutt a dude!
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Nah, just rework the structural integrity fields until you ether have the rim reinforced enough to handle it, or you invent a Power Ram.

Actually, emergency quick-response structural integrity fields that pop up after the shields fail would be pretty useful. There'd probably be a lot more salvageable wrecks if they had a few seconds of significantly increased durability at the right moment.

Not heavily investing in them as a primary defense anymore leaves the tech available for reworking into niche use cases, like radar becoming the microwave oven. You don't exactly need to worry about the entire field being upended by military spending anymore, so now's a good time to start diversifying and finding alternative uses. It might even be cost-effective to use them for low-cost surface bunkers where a shield would be too expensive or impractical. Just use that transporter mining they've used a few times to install them in a mountain bunker with some and you're probably not far off in terms of protection compared to a likely-more-expensive small shield.

Edit: Nero pulls up to Earth, blasts the river with the drill, and it doesn't penetrate. It's targeted too close to the Academy's basement shelter, and they let the Federation Scientists loose on its systems as final project at one point.
 
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Estro said:


Like this, which I've mocked up from altering the Archer-class?
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More or less, but disc not orb. If you don't like the way it makes engineering also a major crew route, you could fill in the entire front half of the gap and use a disc-protrusion deflector dish mount like we use on our light ships to give them more room, but I dunno that I care for it as at that point you lose a lot of the merits relative a vertical nacelle pair on a full saucer.
 
Cold Dust said:
Hmm, the only letdown, and it's slight, is a lack of an explicit description of the Excalibur-class handily dealing with D6s and D7s, and how the war diverged strategically, economically and politically from the previous because of our choices. At the very least it seems the war was less ruinous, maybe the Klingons called it off when their losses started becoming excessive.

Would've been very gratifying, having the Klingons being all gung-ho. Then they realize we're fielding really good warp 8 drives. Things go downhill from there.

"Ah, no problem, their vessels are weak, their phasers are puny!" "...Ah, sir, their latest phaser designs have fully doubled the yield. And that, "Archer-class", support ship was surprisingly nimble given it's..." "...No problem, we shall still attain victory!"

The Excalibur-class swoops in an ludicrous speed, and promptly mission-kills a D6 with a volley of 5 torpedoes and 2 phaser strikes to the face, and darts out with the speed of a diving falcon, not even pausing as it insolently lobs an aft torpedo and phaser bolt at the D7 leading the flotilla. Chaos ensues.
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I think the lack of focus on the Excalibur's combat record says more about it's potency than if we had a long passage describing it curbstomping a D7 and it's buddies in epic fashion.

During the initial design brief we were told that the ship was being graded solely on how deadly and cheap it was. That's something that only occurred back during the Romulan War which was an existential crisis so to have that come up again really set the tone for how dire of a situation the Federation has found itself in.

The fact that we got a retrospective that instead focusses a lot on the good the Excalibur did outside of war speaks to how deadly it was as the looming conflict that was hyped as being existential in danger and the fact that it can curbstomp a D7 ended up being a footnote compared to it's other accomplishments.

It says a lot that far more Excaliburs were lost due to negative space wedgie's than were lost due to hostile action from the Klingons or other peer powers.
 
NinjaMAster said:
Nah, just rework the structural integrity fields until you ether have the rim reinforced enough to handle it, or you invent a Power Ram.

Actually, emergency quick-response structural integrity fields that pop up after the shields fail would be pretty useful. There'd probably be a lot more salvageable wrecks if they had a few seconds of significantly increased durability at the right moment.

Not heavily investing in them as a primary defense anymore leaves the tech available for reworking into niche use cases, like radar becoming the microwave oven. You don't exactly need to worry about the entire field being upended by military spending anymore, so now's a good time to start diversifying and finding alternative uses. It might even be cost-effective to use them for low-cost surface bunkers where a shield would be too expensive or impractical. Just use that transporter mining they've used a few times to install them in a mountain bunker with some and you're probably not far off in terms of protection compared to a likely-more-expensive small shield.
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The meta has been updated. Warships are now either half-saucer or arrowheads with sharpened and reinforced edges for cutting/piercing the enemy.

Gotta coax the Klingons to join somehow...
 
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Skippy said:
Important Note: If this is the fight that @Sayle was describing to me on Discord the other day, this was the third D7 destroyed in a three-on-one engagement.
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PUT IT IN THE THREAD. That's so epic, what is it languishing on discord?


Rovos said:
i second the muttonchop motion
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luckless21 said:
I second the handlebars.
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Let's compromise, do both and make everyone look like Franz Joseph.

AEIOU!
 
The hilarity of all this is that with the excalibur for pure warship design the feds have demonstrated they are more or less 1 generation ahead of the other factions (given it can fairly reliable 1 vs 2 D7's and possibly 1 Vs 3!)

I kinda want to see a crossover event (Excalibur to TOS cannon) now and see TOS kirk and co just staring down an excalibur (enterprise) and watching as it Mangles afew D7's effortlessly.

That and I wonder how Q will react to this federation (given his shtick is teaching the feds you Need to be prepared to fight with more than kiddie gloves if you want to keep being scientists and not slaves or borg fodder in future. (The SDB fed's dont really need that lesson)
 
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TortugaGreen said:
More or less, but disc not orb. If you don't like the way it makes engineering also a major crew route, you could fill in the entire front half of the gap and use a disc-protrusion deflector dish mount like we use on our light ships to give them more room, but I dunno that I care for it as at that point you lose a lot of the merits relative a vertical nacelle pair on a full saucer.
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I mean, you can't tell it's Orb from above, which is the only perspective I've done.
 
actually... Have we considered doing a dagger/arrowhead design at any point? As creating a ship thats designed to be a dart (abit like that mirror universe sketch of a dagger salladin thing)... As that seems like it could be a good testbed design for hypermobility

As I kinda want to see if we can double down on gotta go fast (and also see if we can attempt to fiddle with inertial dampener tech/make a module we can put in a hull that boosts it further*)

As during the excalibur planning (when we could do 4 type 2's) it was noted one of the key reasons why 4 type 2's was nixed was partially cost (not cheap enough compared to 2 type 3's) ,the lack of upgrading type 3's (faster mature) and most crucially THE FACT WE WOULD HIT THE STRUCTURAL AND INERTIAL DAMPENER SOFT CAP. (hence why the 4 type 2 would be capped at 75% power on each for safety of ship and crew)

While Structural durability could probably be touched up by trading modules in the hull for extra hull reinforcements, developing a inertial dampener module would let us break the cap and make ships with extreme combat maneuverability.
 
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Deltamaster said:
The hilarity of all this is that with the excalibur for pure warship design the feds have demonstrated they are more or less 1 generation ahead of the other factions (given it can fairly reliable 1 vs 2 D7's and possibly 1 Vs 3!)

I kinda want to see a crossover event (Excalibur to TOS cannon) now and see TOS kirk and co just staring down an excalibur (enterprise) and watching as it Mangles afew D7's effortlessly.
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I can imagine a crossover event where the SDB!Enterprise and the Canon!Enterprise get caught in some dimensional anomaly together with a bunch of hostile ships.

During the tag team fight against the hostile ships the Excalibur!Enterprise stomps the crap out of them but when it comes to actually escaping the anomaly things aren't looking as hot and it is only by an extremely narrow margin that one of the Enterprises doesn't need to be sacrifice itself to save the other from the anomaly thanks to the Canon!Enterprise's extra labs.
 
Deltamaster said:
actually... Have we considered doing a dagger/arrowhead design at any point? As creating a ship thats designed to be a dart (abit like that mirror universe sketch of a dagger salladin thing)... As that seems like it could be a good testbed design for hypermobility
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I think arrowhead fell out of popularity because it limited torpedo launchers and was optimized for concentrating phasers forward? And phasers had limited firing speed so it lowered the alpha strike capability.

I could be wrong about the torpedo part though.

We might get the arrowhead back when phaser strips become available, and definitely when Defiant-style pulse phasers come online.
 
10ebbor10 said:
So, is this the cost for the combat monofocus?

Also, wow, the Terran Empire must be fucking up if a single ship can keep them online for a century.
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As I recall, said ship not only ended up in the Mirrorverse, but also in the time of Archer (NX-01 era). Hoshi used it to become Empress of the Terran Empire. The fact they could keep it running for that long certainly says something.
 
ScyBlade said:
As I recall, said ship not only ended up in the Mirrorverse, but also in the time of Archer (NX-01 era). Hoshi used it to become Empress of the Terran Empire. The fact they could keep it running for that long certainly says something.
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With the combination of the long ranged focus and the fabrication workshops they really lucked out getting her, because she likely carried not only unusually comprehensive technical libraries but cutting edge scientific/engineering papers in case they encountered anything that could validate/disprove them.

Ironically the only better ship that could have fallen into their hands would probably be an Archer.
 
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