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They did what we need when we needed, though Starfleet being reminded that space is dangerous. I have to imagine the next explorer will have a larger tonnage to accommodate more facilities.

But yeah I kind of wish we got a Klingon perspective on the Exaliburs or at least the ramming maneuver.
 
They did what we need when we needed, though Starfleet being reminded that space is dangerous. I have to imagine the next explorer will have a larger tonnage to accommodate more facilities.

But yeah I kind of wish we got a Klingon perspective on the Exaliburs or at least the ramming maneuver.
400kt single hull fat saucer explorer. Something like 2-3 thruster 3s give it average maneuverability.
 
You know... Not actually an awful design. Forward spires for weapon mounts... A wide flat inverse curve blade hullform... It's not unreasonable.

I would also like to say I have found a reason to stand for a torus hullform.

Imagine it, surface hugging nacelles in the middle of a giant saucer design where the nacelles still have full visibility to each other because the saucer has a nacelle shaped hole in the middle. The advantage of a nacelle half buried in your ship, but the nacelles still function like external nacelles with no loss of efficiency.

They look like a ridge running back from the top of the saucer.



I mean, I think this just means the cargo hauler king the Newton picked up the slack. If there was anything to not be good at, the thing the Newton is king at is it.
It could also have the ship be a classic flying saucer, except it flies 'plate on' when not in atmosphere.

They did what we need when we needed, though Starfleet being reminded that space is dangerous. I have to imagine the next explorer will have a larger tonnage to accommodate more facilities.

But yeah I kind of wish we got a Klingon perspective on the Exaliburs or at least the ramming maneuver.
That's going to be the Excelsior. Which I'm coming around to really looking forward to. Like I said, this thread gave me a greater appreciation of the Constitution (and Excalibur) as predecessors to what, in universe, is the actual iconic ship. Not the iconic crew, that's still the TOS crew. But the iconic ship.
 
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Starfleet ordered 4 more than canon, even after it was cost C+ compared to canon's A. They really likes the capability. Also goes to show no matter the good a tactical rating a ship has, the gigantic space amoeba has SSS+ rating.

On top of no combat losses, the Tholians and the Gorn might have been deterred by patrols. No notable combat with either of them.

I wonder if we had hit 14 science we could have saved a ship or two from the amoeba, parasites, and the mirror Tholians. Not everyone can have a Spock, but it'll always make me think if an extra piece of lab equipment might have helped.
Yeah, it's really hard to argue when the cost is slightly better than average, but the performance is excellent. When you get a lot of bang for your buck, budgets tend to like you--they know you're worth every penny and more. That it was a warship that performed extremely well in a time when it was really needed is already a mark of excellence, but that it then performed anti-piracy and patrol duties, THEN performed long-range exploration missions with great success (albeit substantial casualties) proves that the design was versatile and very useful.

If anything, the alarming bit is how many were lost due from exploration missions against non-peer powers rather than a friggen war with the Klingon Empire. That's insane. Then again, I don't know how stupid the captain of a starship packing that much firepower needs to be to get his sheep eaten by a biological organism in space.

Anyway, definitely taught those Klingons that Starfleet is not to be trifled with. Wrecking their best ships without a single loss definitely would leave an impression.

That's going to be the Excelsior. Which I'm coming around to really looking forward to. Like I said, this thread gave me a greater appreciation of the Constitution (and Excalibur) as predecessors to what, in universe, is the actual iconic ship. Not the iconic crew, that's still the TOS crew. But the iconic ship.
Yeah, the Excelsior in this quest would be a dedicated explorer design, with a higher tonnage and more space devoted to science/engineering/medical/etc over sheer tactical capability. A peacetime jack of all trades with a hefty but understandable price tag for a long range, fast, do-it-all ship that doesn't need to be produced in large numbers.

I love the aesthetics of the canon Excelsior, and I hope we can stay somewhat in line with them.
 
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Yeah, it's really hard to argue when the cost is slightly better than average, but the performance is excellent. When you get a lot of bang for your buck, budgets tend to like you--they know you're worth every penny and more. That it was a warship that performed extremely well in a time when it was really needed is already a mark of excellence, but that it then performed anti-piracy and patrol duties, THEN performed long-range exploration missions with great success (albeit substantial casualties) proves that the design was versatile and very useful.

If anything, the alarming bit is how many were lost due from exploration missions against non-peer powers rather than a friggen war with the Klingon Empire. That's insane. Then again, I don't know how stupid the captain of a starship packing that much firepower needs to be to get his sheep eaten by a biological organism in space.

Anyway, definitely taught those Klingons that Starfleet is not to be trifled with. Wrecking their best ships without a single loss definitely would leave an impression.
And in doing the exploration mission has given Starfleet a ton of data about what exactly will be required to do said exploration without said casualties. That's not something you can just intuit.

Our next explorer is going to be potentially a REALLY good explorer.
 
Yeah, it's really hard to argue when the cost is slightly better than average, but the performance is excellent. When you get a lot of bang for your buck, budgets tend to like you--they know you're worth every penny and more. That it was a warship that performed extremely well in a time when it was really needed is already a mark of excellence, but that it then performed anti-piracy and patrol duties, THEN performed long-range exploration missions with great success (albeit substantial casualties) proves that the design was versatile and very useful.

If anything, the alarming bit is how many were lost due from exploration missions against non-peer powers rather than a friggen war with the Klingon Empire. That's insane. Then again, I don't know how stupid the captain of a starship packing that much firepower needs to be to get his sheep eaten by a biological organism in space.

Anyway, definitely taught those Klingons that Starfleet is not to be trifled with. Wrecking their best ships without a single loss definitely would leave an impression.


Yeah, the Excelsior in this quest would be a dedicated explorer design, with a higher tonnage and more space devoted to science/engineering/medical/etc over sheer tactical capability. A peacetime jack of all trades with a hefty but understandable price tag for a long range, fast, do-it-all ship that doesn't need to be produced in large numbers.

I love the aesthetics of the canon Excelsior, and I hope we can stay somewhat in line with them.
The ship that got eaten by a vast unicellular organism is the equivalent of the Intrepid. Which was crewed entirely by Vulcans in the original timeline. So, not stupid. The Space Ameoba was surrounded by a negative energy field that messed with... basically everything. Among other things making the engines work in reverse despite - in universe mind you - that making no sense. It was a bit of a plot point that the Vulcans didn't think outside the box fast enough to survive while the Enterprise did.
 
Then again, I don't know how stupid the captain of a starship packing that much firepower needs to be to get his sheep eaten by a biological organism in space.
To be fair to that unfortunate captain, there's a lot left out in the retro about the characteristics of those aforementioned large unicellular organisms imo: Just how big are they? How fast are they? Do they absorb or are otherwise not affected by Phasers and/or Photon torps? etc. If those things are just plain faster than the hull even at full Impulse (and boy isn't that thought fricking terrifying to consider...), possibly there wasn't enough time to come about and just GTFO at Warp 8.6. *shrug*
 
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Ships die like flys to random space phenomenon in TOS, the universe was actively out to eat ships in this series between random deity like beings, ancient war machines, and amoebas looking to expand their gunpla collection.
 
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To be fair to that unfortunate captain, there's a lot left out in the retro about the characteristics of those aforementioned large unicellular organisms imo: Just how big are they? How fast are they? Do they absorb or are otherwise not affected by Phasers and/or Photon torps? etc. If those things are just plain faster than the hull even at full Impulse (and boy isn't that thought fricking terrifying to consider...), possibly there wasn't enough time to come about and just GTFO at Warp 8.6. *shrug*



2000-3000 km width, surrounded by a negative energy zone. It had already eaten everyone in a solar system. Killing it wasn't really that hard once they knew how it worked - it just took an oversized antimatter charge. But navigating first the negative energy field and then its interior was the challenge.

It's easy to forget, but in ToS they'll just throw out total losses of colonies with millions to billions as just a thing that happens.
 
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Monitoring Report [2215]
The Warp 8 Engine
Introduction Date: 10 Years Late
Vertical Core: 40 Years Early
High-Flow Injector: Rejected
Expanded Main Energizer: Rejected

Cause-Effect Analysis: Refit-Incompatibility results in reduced strategic flexibility for legacy fleet units. Decreased military strength profile has resulted in transition from 2260s Federation-Klingon War to the 2240s Four-Year-War scenario. Federation defeat in a Four Year War scenario represents a consensus timeline violation and a threat to the Temporal Accords. Likelihood of Accord-hostile actors attempting incursions is high. 2215 to 2250 is now under interdiction pending resolution of the local timeline.
I'm honestly wondering if we're going to see this update fairly soon or only after the next ship that we make.
 
Huh, if I'm reading things correctly the Doomsday Machine didn't kill the Constellation equivalent here.

Guess the combo of firepower and maneuverability really came in clutch there.
 
Andorian Captain out of shits to give: "No. We are the weapon."
>Be me
>Be andorian captain of excalibur-class heavy cruiser
>be out of ammo and guns are dry
>give in to the intrusive thoughts
>intrusive thoughts turn out to be my inner missile guidance system
>I know where I am at all times. I know this because I know where I am not.
>It works out but yeah, I should not be flying something this expensive.
 
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Man, what a note to come back to. A well-performing class of ship that saw itself acquitted admirably in the Four-Year War, and proved to be a capable explorer in the time afterward. What more can I say than we had moments where we did better than canon expected of us?

Wartime Omake incoming.
 
"We've lost weapons."

Andorian Captain out of shits to give: "No. We are the weapon."

*Enterprise slams saucer-first into the neck of the D7 and rams right through it, the command section folding up and smashing into the engineering section as it flies through."

Andorian Captain: "...and that's my cue to retire."
Watch as next generation Birds of Prey become Axes when the Klingons start attempting to replicate the feat of pure warrior badassery. That andorian captain probably earned his own tactical maneuver named after him and a place in Klingon history.
 
Watch as next generation Birds of Prey become Axes when the Klingons start attempting to replicate the feat of pure warrior badassery. That andorian captain probably earned his own tactical maneuver named after him and a place in Klingon history.
The Thy'lek Maneuver leads the Klingons to invent their own version of the Yeerk Blade Ship.

 
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Watch as next generation Birds of Prey become Axes when the Klingons start attempting to replicate the feat of pure warrior badassery. That andorian captain probably earned his own tactical maneuver named after him and a place in Klingon history.
Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire. Though it is a good reminder that Enterprise captains tend to be impressive even if there journeys are not covered on a show.
 
Not quite the numbers I was hoping for in total production but our boosted economy and the increased threat level still meant we made more than canon. I'll take it even if we lost more than I would have liked. I also appreciate that it specifically got called out as good at deterrence and protection after the war.

Even if a smaller warship would be relatively straightforward in most components I still want to see a final diagram and stats block. A Saber style with Miranda nacelles or a TOS era Nova/Norway (no gap) could be fun.
 
Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire. Though it is a good reminder that Enterprise captains tend to be impressive even if there journeys are not covered on a show.
Worked with Kurzon. Even the ships we don't see are impressive. I'm sure the Intrepid and the others had amazing adventures before their luck ran out.
 
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April took a step onto the bridge and inhaled slowly. He'd been on the bridge of an Excalibur before, of course, but it was another thing entirely to be in command rather than first officer. He continued after a moment of quiet appreciation. "We have supplies for a crew of two hundred and fifty for three years. That will feed a colony the size of Tarsus for at least two weeks. More with rationing and our shuttle complement to find other sources of food."

Pike nodded. "If we can get there in time. Tarsus is twenty light-years away. That's three weeks at Warp 7."

"Good thing we won't be going Warp 7," April responded, voice serious. "I intend to be there in two weeks. That means Warp 8 the whole way."

"Not even been here five minutes and already making enemies with the chief engineer?" Pike asked wryly.

"Are you saying she can't do it?" April asked.

"Oh, she'll do it," his first officer assured. "If she can guillotine a Klingon battlecruiser she can handle a little jog. Then jog right back for a warp coil overhaul, but she'll manage."

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ClassExcaliburConstitution
Design TeamUtopia PlanitiaUtopia Planitia
Mass180000190000
Single Target Rating5030
Multi-Target Rating42
Average Damage11.68.0
Max Sustained Damage5042
Alpha Strike Damage11078
Coverage31%18%
ManeuverabilityVery HighMedium
Hull Rating3841
Shield Rating3638
Engineering44
Science1012
Efficient Cruise6.26.6
Maximum Cruise77
Maximum Warp8.67.8
Operational Range357430
Ratings
CostC+A
Tactical RatingSB-
Engineering RatingC-C-
Science RatingC+B
Ordered1814
Refit22652270
Decommissioned22952294
It looks like we managed to save Tarsus on our second try, that Warp 8.6 Sprint looks to have come in clutch what with it being nearly a whole Warp Factor faster than the Canon Connie's sprint (Warp 7.8 vs Warp 8.6).

Really surprised that the OTL Connie couldn't even make Warp 8 though, I guess that's one of the tradeoffs of a much weaker Warp 8 engine than what we designed and being the first ship to get the Warp 8 Engine.

Being able to guillotine a D7 is such a metal image to visualize, I wouldn't be surprised if the Klingon Temporal Accords Delegate was pressing to make sure this divergence wasn't changed just to make sure that scene happens.

While we're a little less tanky we actually managed to have nearly twice as much weapons coverage which combined with being two levels more maneuverable and outputting significantly more damage got us the S Rank Tactical Rating that I was hoping for.

I'm imagining this playing whenever a Klingon Captain gets a report that the Federation Starship accelerating towards them has pushed past Warp 7.6 and it getting louder and louder as the sensor technician is reporting that it's getting faster and faster until it reaches Warp 8.6.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL8ZmqyNiZM&pp=ygUNcHJvd2xlciB0aGVtZQ%3D%3D

Overall though a solid 60 years of service and 4 more hulls is pretty good for a ship that is a little more specialized and on a smaller hull than the Canon Connie and it looks like it still did well enough to solidify the highly combat capable Explorer Paradigm that the Federation embraces by the TNG time period.

I think overall if we get an S Rank on the main stat/stats that Starfleet emphasized a need for we can count on a decent production order even if the ship is a bit costlier.
 
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