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LunaMoth
Wings of Kynareth is my comfort song...
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Explode-ation-Cruiser
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- Outside the Box
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1. Stop shouting, please.
2. From the update itself, emphasis mine:
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- Earth, Sol
We shall carry out our science peacefully while carrying a big stick.
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- Australia
And so, at the start of the Earth-Romulan war the Enterprise was rechristened as the Hedgehog thanks to all the guns poking out from it.
*Reads OP update again*
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I actually think I'm done.
A Workshop to assist in maintinence and do various tasks does not a utility ship make, especially when dealing with THE GREAT UNKNOWN as a low tech Warp 5 Vessel, but *shrugs*
I had my victory lap, the Century was awesome.
This quest is becoming more stressful than it's worth.
For what it's worth, I hope the Not!Enterprise doesn't blow up.
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I actually think I'm done.
A Workshop to assist in maintinence and do various tasks does not a utility ship make, especially when dealing with THE GREAT UNKNOWN as a low tech Warp 5 Vessel, but *shrugs*
I had my victory lap, the Century was awesome.
This quest is becoming more stressful than it's worth.
For what it's worth, I hope the Not!Enterprise doesn't blow up.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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I genuinely think I hate the "Well it didn't need X in canon" argument, if what happened in canon is what we're aiming for why aren't we just building the canon enterprise.
It didn't need all these phase canons, it also didn't need a secondary hull.
I'm not even sure which option I want here but that argument actually makes me want to push back against it almost reflexively.
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Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
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Yeah, I think you're making this more stressful than it needs to be.
The NX potentially becoming a utility cruiser (whatever that means exactly) isn't a big enough deal to freak out about.
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- United States
Both options are REALLY good. While I'm in favor of the workshop, true, I also won't die inside if the extra lab gets picked instead.
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- Lake Wobegon
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Yes it did, and more.
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I just wanted to say that the ship won't lack the ability to self-maintain or self-repair without the workshop. Obviously, the workshop would expand the ship's capability to do so, even if it isn't the workshops main purpose. I didn't meant to whack anyone with the stick of "canon". Sorry about that.
LunaMoth
Wings of Kynareth is my comfort song...
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STO classifies the NX class as an escort, but then again STO absolutely loves that word.
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- Lake Wobegon
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STO is obviously wrong in this instance, if anything the NX would be the thing being escorted if it was ever grouped up with other ships, which it almost never is.
STO is the WORST place to get that word from.
...Appearently it is.
I don't give two shits what it calls itself, I just wanted the Workshop to give the thing an extra Repair utility or when the ship might need something built because they're our first explorer.
0t4n1z3r019
Member of the HAFPTG
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Who's to say that we can't use the onboard workshop to augment the science labs via fabricating additional scientific equipment and/or storing extra equipment/components?
If I could I'd say have the first ship of the class have the engineering bay and any other ships of the class the science, but that's not an option so...
I was leaning towards Engineering but then I got
View: https://youtu.be/52ZGqJJTA7k this song stuck in my head. It's for a different franchise technically but it fits so well I have to go with science.
I was leaning towards Engineering but then I got
View: https://youtu.be/52ZGqJJTA7k this song stuck in my head. It's for a different franchise technically but it fits so well I have to go with science.
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If that were the case, the workshop would give something like Engineering +1, Science +1 instead of its actual Engineering +2.
LunaMoth
Wings of Kynareth is my comfort song...
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Oh checked the wiki again this is why they call it an escort I guess, sto just likes that word apparently though most ships they call escort fit that roll there are a few weird ones (like the Prometheus is apparently one? The big voltron ship?).
"The NX Class Starship Replica sports the classic look of Earth's starships from the 22nd century, but has been updated with modern technology to meet current Starfleet specifications"
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Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
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It's possible the canon NX-01 had a workshop, but we've already gone down a different path so who's to say what could be different about this Enterprise's journey now.
I get that there's a desire to sort of have the cake and eat it too, but these choices are really an either/or vote. +2 Engineering or +2 Science, pick one.
Empress_Boog
Grand Empress
[ ] 0: Install the secondary computer core. (Industry 45 -> 46)
[ ] 1: Install a small onboard workshop. (Engineering +2)
I think these two votes combined is the best, I really understand the want for more science labs, and I agree. But the secondary computer core will already be taking on some of the data crunching duties, and while the Enterprise was fine in canon, it didn't have a workshop at all.
[ ] 1: Install a small onboard workshop. (Engineering +2)
I think these two votes combined is the best, I really understand the want for more science labs, and I agree. But the secondary computer core will already be taking on some of the data crunching duties, and while the Enterprise was fine in canon, it didn't have a workshop at all.
Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
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No worries, but this actually does get me thinking about the Reliant, which could also be an interesting ship to set a quest on. It's a bit of an odd duck class in Starfleet, only ever got one production run, kind of disproportional in its capabilities, but it also had some prototype technologies that went on to become the standard.
I almost get something of a Lower Decks vibe, a quest about a background ship.
Hm? We can choose whether we want the extra computer core and workshop/labs, or skip the core and just take one of the internal modules. The utility cruiser or science ship question seems to be about the modules.
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My thoughts, this vessel is a prototype for our new Warp 5 engines and will be traveling months, possibly years from support. It has no industrial replicators, it has no replicators at all. It has the workshop space for "normal" maintenance needs, but if something happens to the engine or they encounter a situation where they need extensive specialized equipment we didn't anticipate, the expanded workshop capability will be incredibly useful.
This is a mission of science yes, but merely going out there is a scientific endeavor as we have never done that before. We don't know the situations or conditions these vessels will encounter giving them a greater ability to adapt will allow us to tailor new designs to criteria they bring back.
Finally I will point out that we don't have either the designs or Hulls to support a specialist design. These vessels represent the only long range assets that earth can deploy to assist our colonies, shipping or future allies. While we all look forward to the day we can send ships out with the sole purpose of expanding our knowledge of the universe, at this time we need something more multi-mission in order to be able to fulfill any role earth may call her to.
This is a mission of science yes, but merely going out there is a scientific endeavor as we have never done that before. We don't know the situations or conditions these vessels will encounter giving them a greater ability to adapt will allow us to tailor new designs to criteria they bring back.
Finally I will point out that we don't have either the designs or Hulls to support a specialist design. These vessels represent the only long range assets that earth can deploy to assist our colonies, shipping or future allies. While we all look forward to the day we can send ships out with the sole purpose of expanding our knowledge of the universe, at this time we need something more multi-mission in order to be able to fulfill any role earth may call her to.
No. It's refered to as part of the free space choices.
"The second point of interest is a section in the primary saucer. While the NX already has a science lab fitted, doubling up would allow more experiments to be run in tandem - something especially helpful during surveys. On the other hand a workshop area would be more universally applicable to the day-to-day running of the starship. It would provide greater engineering resources for the ship to focus on construction or maintenance tasks. The question is really down to whether you want the NX to be a utility cruiser or more of a science ship."
The quest runs, as far as I understand from playing it, based on deliberate affirmations as otherwise we'd just have ten designs of each class and never have to make a choice.
The Century is a good example. It only had a good science rating because of the deliberate decisions we made to give it one: We chose a Science Saucer(Endeavour, with extra sensors) over the Combat Saucer(Ushaan, with extra torpedo launcher) and we picked small Science Labs instead of more Cargo Bays. In the certification it mentions how the small labs synergize with the extra sensors to give it much more capability then it would have with only one or the other.
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