RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

[soulcake]

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[EVA-Saiyajin]

Hmm yeah that's a bit too mechanistic and thematically tenuous we'd have a better Rune for that anyway: Rune of Striking, guides the wielder's strikes to vulnerable points. And that's still tenuous thematically. I'm personally not all that interested since its going pretty far afield in my mind.

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I favor Striking over Cleaving in Evercold because chill wind is known more to getting through exposed areas than cutting through. Same as the winds in the fluff of the Master Rune of Currents at the peak of a mountain go around and down the mountain, not through it.

I have no issue with the general plan, though I admit myself uncertain about testing combos over putting forth a viable combo theme in the designing phase and saving time. It sounds hasty I know, but it's a dangerous time to be late with life saving armaments. I'm not fully opposed, just uncertain.

 

[Garlak]

I'm thinking Lightning Heart. Master Rune of Steel, Rune of Lightning, Rune of Warding. Iron for the heart and that which conducts and attracts the lightning, Lightning for that which lies in the heart and the nerves, and Warding to contain it as Warding contains the heat and pressure in the Adamant Maker combo.

Or perhaps Master Rune of Gromril for Sky Heart, given Gromril comes from meteors from the sky?

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I've been thinking on something that uses a Rune of Lightning myself, yeah. I've been trying to come up a good way to get a "battery" or a "channel" of some sort. Trying to think of a good way to make use of lightning, because the Griffons channel it. But I wasn't sure how to come up with a combo that said "This steel powers itself up from the lightning the king bears, and in return it..." ... does something, I dunno. Like a Rune of Steel, a Rune of Absorption or Channeling or something. Or a rune for conducting electricity rather than heat.

But in general though, maybe we should start thinking more about Runes that aren't purely on the list, or in canon -- stuff like the Rune of Frost or a Rune of Lightning. Maybe we shouldn't only keep thinking of how to make combos around the few Master Runes we know and the few runes on the list or in canon. Do more stuff like throwing in the Rune of Frost; it got us Hailmantle, after all. Having, and trying to, base everything around the few two Master Runes we know is a bit limiting. Especially since the Armor Runes tab doesn't even have any more notable runes like the other ones do, so it at least feels more empty and effectively less inspirational to the imagination.

Anyway. So in that sense... I was thinking, if you're thinking of Steel and electricity then... well, that says railgun, doesn't it?

Master Rune of Steel + Rune of Lightning + Rune of Impact!

Only potential possible problem, is that it might be something the King of the Sky already does. He might already strike things like a lightningbolt or railgun. On the other hand, it would be perfectly fitting thematically wouldn't it?

 

[Raeyx]

Hmm. What are folk's thoughts on a plan like this next turn? We can assume more and bigger attacks will happen because that's just the time we live in right now.

[] Blah blah blah
-[] Boon from the Sky: Tell me of the strongest creature you know of in these lands and help me hunt it down so I can take its heart. [Cost: Start Request, [Difficult] Plated Skies Pt. 1:] No Time Limit

-[] [Difficult] A Higher Standard Pt. 2: You've gazed upon the face of the Ancestors a lot in the past few years, especially when you were making your alchemical flame spitters, and it's inspired you. A banner to rally behind, something that dwarfs will look to and fight all the harder with it at their back. A banner worthy of the hold of Kraka Drakk to be held aloft with pride by an equally worthy standard-bearer. [Cost: 1 action] Productivity Like No Other will proc. 2 actions

-[] C-c-combo Tester!: Write-in format for a Rune Combo you want Snorri to test. [Cost: 1 action] If a rune you want requires special ingredients that you don't have access to I will alert you. 3 actions.
--[] Monster Slayer, Griffon King's Gauntlets: Master Rune of Smiting, Rune of Daemonslaying, Rune of Dragonslaying
--[] Armor of Purity, Griffon King's Armor: [Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Warding, Rune of Spellbreaking]
--[] Consuming Armor, Griffon King's Armor: [Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Warding, Rune of Spelleating]

Or an alternate for C-c-combo tester that swaps the Armor of Purity (Which is pretty similar to the Adamant Maker Combo) for:

--[] Lifeending Cold, Griffon King's Gauntlets: [Master Rune of Currents, Rune of Cold, Rune of Cleaving]

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I think that looks fine, we could possibly try to dump a bunch of actions on the armor right away but that would mean we're just heading in blind and hoping we luck into good combos.

 

[Alratan]

It doesn't really look to me like the King of the Sky is in any kind of need for more power. What's your basis for saying he has a fair chance of dying soon?'

There's other things Snorri could be doing with his actions than accepting every single commission someone offers- something that in my catch-up reading I've noticed that the thread has a bad habit of doing. Have we ever even come close to refusing to do a commission? I didn't read the vote totals when I was catching up.

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We're facing hordes of infinite lesser daemons, greater daemons, and very likely exalted greater daemons, and whatever other horrible gribblies the Chaos Gods can throw at us, like armies of spellcasting Fimir and beastmen shamans. We've already faced a maddened elder dragon, and we're only near the start of the incursion. Things are only going to get worse for here on in. Look at it this way. Khorne can just keep sending, say, the same Exalted Greater Daemons after him repeatedly, and they just has to fly a thousand miles or so south from the warp gates every time they're killed. Eventually, they'll get lucky. That's probably towards the high end of threat, but the Chaos Gods can scale up their forces pretty daman high at this point, and we need to keep ahead of that As the King of the Skies is probably our heaviest hitter in the Far North, and his equipment is a lot less good than the other incarnate gods on our side, that means we have a relatively easy way of escalating, which is by repeatedly upgrading his equipment to the highest standard we can. It's not as if the opposition are shy about using legendary magic items of their own.

Khorne has an entire division of bloodthirsters specialised and tooled up to kill giant monsters, the Bloodthirsters of Insensate Rage, the Sixth Host, Reavers of the Bloody Path, and they have more than one Exalted Bloodthirsters amongst their ranks. I wouldn't be surprised to see them sent after the King of the Skies if he survives long enough.

The Chaos Gods can play a long game and make contingencies. They're not going to want him to survive into the post-Incursion period. I'm pretty sure we do.

 

[BungieONI]

The thing is, I don't see your armour of purity theme as really working that well (unless we make it all out of adamant, which we can't), as we've learned that gromril isn't actually pure, it's corrupt. On adamant Armour, Master Rune of Adamant, Rune of Spelleating, and Rune of Warding (or Valaya) would seem like a great combination, but on gromril (or any other material we haven't similarly cleansed), I'm not sure.

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Rune Combos don't care all that much about the material they are put on, excepting Adamant because of its effects on Runes in general. See how the material being inscribed is low on the list of things that affect an item's power upon completion. Using materials in runes does have more effect.

Would it be weaker if its not on Adamant? Yes, obviously. Should we endeavor to put it on Adamant? If we can yeah, and if we put it on the minimum Adamant required to get the improvement it'd be better than it being on Pure Gromril. If we could put it on armor composed entirely of Adamant it'd be better still.

Actually making the Combo happen and successfully creating it is material agnostic, see the Cloaks and the Amulet and the general idea of Combos being applicable to multiple items.

I think that looks fine, we could possibly try to dump a bunch of actions on the armor right away but that would mean we're just heading in blind and hoping we luck into good combos.

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Yeah, Armor Combos are pretty difficult to make using just Armor Runes at this juncture until we start inventing entirely new Armor Runes out of whole cloth so we have to reach further afield for talisman or weapon runes to fill in.

 

[Alratan]

Rune Combos don't care all that much about the material they are put on, excepting Adamant because of its effects on Runes in general. See how the material being inscribed is low on the list of things that affect an item's power upon completion. Using materials in runes does have more effect.

Would it be weaker if its not on Adamant? Yes, obviously. Should we endeavor to? If we can yeah, and if we put it on the minimum Adamant required to get the improvement it'd be better than it being on Pure Gromril. If we could put it on armor composed entirely of Adamant it'd be better still.

Actually making the Combo happen and successfully creating it is material agnostic, see the Cloaks and the Amulet and the general idea of Combos being applicable to multiple items.

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Yes, but as we know gromril is at least partially corrupted, the Rune reflecting the nature of Gromril will presumably carry a reflection of that corruption, so would be less likely to work as part of a combo based around the concept of purity, while the Rune of Adamant, if and when we learn it, would reflect the purity of adamant, so would be suitable.

 

[EVA-Saiyajin]

Rune Combos don't care all that much about the material they are put on, excepting Adamant because of its effects on Runes in general.

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Actually Gromril, per word of soul, also takes Runes better than other materials. Of course, Gromril is a lesser form of Adamant, so...

Yeah, Armor Combos are pretty difficult to make using just Armor Runes at this juncture until we start inventing entirely new Armor Runes out of whole cloth so we have to reach further afield for talisman or weapon runes to fill in.

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It may or may not be more likely to achieve a combo via presenting a theme than a set of runes.

 

[BungieONI]

Yes, but as we know gromril is at least partially corrupted, the Rune reflecting the nature of Gromril will presumably carry a reflection of that corruption, so wouldn't work as part of a combo based around the concept of purity, while the Rune of Adamant, if and when we learn it, would reflect the purity of adamant, so would be suitable.

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Perfect reason to test it. We already know that Warding plus Spellbreaking harmonizing nicely due to that piece existing in two of our combos.

Actually Gromril, per word of soul, also takes Runes better than other materials. Of course, Gromril is a lesser form of Adamant, so...

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Ah yeah forgot that. Thank you

I've been thinking on something that uses a Rune of Lightning myself, yeah. I've been trying to come up a good way to get a "battery" or a "channel" of some sort. Trying to think of a good way to make use of lightning, because the Griffons channel it. But I wasn't sure how to come up with a combo that said "This steel powers itself up from the lightning the king bears, and in return it..." ... does something, I dunno. Like a Rune of Steel, a Rune of Absorption or Channeling or something. Or a rune for conducting electricity rather than heat.

But in general though, maybe we should start thinking more about Runes that aren't purely on the list, or in canon -- stuff like the Rune of Frost or a Rune of Lightning. Maybe we shouldn't only keep thinking of how to make combos around the few Master Runes we know and the few runes on the list or in canon. Do more stuff like throwing in the Rune of Frost; it got us Hailmantle, after all. Having, and trying to, base everything around the few two Master Runes we know is a bit limiting. Especially since the Armor Runes tab doesn't even have any more notable runes like the other ones do, so it at least feels more empty and effectively less inspirational to the imagination.

Anyway. So in that sense... I was thinking, if you're thinking of Steel and electricity then... well, that says railgun, doesn't it?

Master Rune of Steel + Rune of Lightning + Rune of Impact!

Only potential possible problem, is that it might be something the King of the Sky already does. He might already strike things like a lightningbolt or railgun. On the other hand, it would be perfectly fitting thematically wouldn't it?

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The Rune of Transference might be what you're looking for: Master Rune of Steel + Rune of Lighting + Rune of Transference. Armor becomes more resilient and steel like, and then the other two are about transferring lighting using that steel.

 

[Alratan]

Thinking about themes relating to gromril, how about the long years spent unchanging as an asteroid in the cold of space (assuming we know space is cold), Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Cold, and Rune of Preservation?

The Frostwyrm pieces can serve to boost the Rune of Cold ingredient. I don't know if a single bar of adamant could be found to use as a rune ingredient (not as bulk armour) for the Master Rune of Gromril, or if this has been asked before?

Gromril comes from the skies, so this may synergise with the Sky King's own magical nature.

I like this as we have the basic ingredients from the frostwyrm, and the Sky King may be able to provide an even stronger sky related ingredient himself.

 

[BungieONI]

It may or may not be more likely to achieve a combo via presenting a theme than a set of runes.

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Personally I'd be okay with using that if none of our proposed combos come into being, i.e we spend a couple turns struggling and nothing eventuates. As a roll its basically entirely up to the dice whether we get anything.

 

[EVA-Saiyajin]

Thinking about themes relating to gromril, how about the long years spent unchanging as an asteroid in the cold of space (assuming we know space is cold), Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Cold, and Rune of Preservation?

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I do like the idea of another combo based on the meteor (and through it, Gromril) after Meteorfall and all the vision-quests we've had with meteors and gromril.

 

[Alratan]

I do like the idea of another combo based on the meteor (and through it, Gromril) after Meteorfall and all the vision-quests we've had with meteors and gromril.

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Yes, this is basically exploring another part of the Gromril 'lifecyle'. We get bonuses working with gromril, so perhaps this would be an auspicious sign to being able to develop a combo based on the metal's history.

The nature of the asteroid whilst 'in flight' may also fit well with a flying creature. I wonder if there's something we can do with runic item set bonuses based around this concept. So, for example, making an armour of the above combo as a companion to the Meteorfall Combo of Trollslayer.

Master Rune of the Void + Rune of Cold + Rune of Preservation might be another option for this kind of thing.

 

[jjffjhjf]

We have neither of those lesser runes, but theoretically it might be fun?

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I thought we had most lesser runes?

 

[BungieONI]

I thought we had most lesser runes?

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There are master rune counterparts, and not all master runes have simple versions.

E: Though that does bring me to ask: @soulcake do we have a simple Rune of Gromril or Rune of Steel in our repertoire?

 

[bird yells]

Hmm. What are folk's thoughts on a plan like this next turn? We can assume more and bigger attacks will happen because that's just the time we live in right now.


-[] C-c-combo Tester!: Write-in format for a Rune Combo you want Snorri to test. [Cost: 1 action] If a rune you want requires special ingredients that you don't have access to I will alert you. 3 actions.
--[] Monster Slayer, Griffon King's Gauntlets: Master Rune of Smiting, Rune of Daemonslaying, Rune of Dragonslaying
--[] Armor of Purity, Griffon King's Armor: [Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Warding, Rune of Spellbreaking]
--[] Consuming Armor, Griffon King's Armor: [Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Warding, Rune of Spelleating]

Or an alternate for C-c-combo tester that swaps the Armor of Purity (Which is pretty similar to the Adamant Maker Combo) for:

--[] Lifeending Cold, Griffon King's Gauntlets: [Master Rune of Currents, Rune of Cold, Rune of Cleaving]

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On the topic of protecting HM from magic, I've got something I've been ruminating on for a little while. It was said way back that ancestor runes are produced in exactly the same way regardless of where you put them, unlike normal runes which have to be adapted to suit the object they're inscribed onto, right? I'm wondering if that doesn't mean Snorri's master rune repertoire for armour is slightly larger than we've been assuming. Specifically, is there anything stopping him from just putting the damn master rune of valaya on this thing and really extending a middle finger to any demon thinking they can shoot down our good griffon pal with sorcery?

I think there's a pretty significant risk Soul will come in and pour cold water on this idea by clarifying the one size fits all thing only applies to the non-master variety of ancestor runes, so I suppose this more of an idle fancy than a super serious proposal. It'd be nice to have confirmation one way or the other though.

 

[BungieONI]

On the topic of protecting HM from magic, I've got something I've been ruminating on for a little while. It was said way back that ancestor runes are produced in exactly the same way regardless of where you put them, unlike normal runes which have to be adapted to suit the object they're inscribed onto, right? I'm wondering if that doesn't mean Snorri's master rune repertoire for armour is slightly larger than we've been assuming. Specifically, is there anything stopping him from just putting the damn master rune of valaya on this thing and really extending a middle finger to any demon thinking they can shoot down our good griffon pal with sorcery?

I think there's a pretty significant risk Soul will come in and pour cold water on this idea by clarifying the one size fits all thing only applies to the non-master variety of ancestor runes, so I suppose this more of an idle fancy than a super serious proposal. It'd be nice to have confirmation one way or the other though.

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I think it should be fine because we put the Master Rune of Valaya onto the Gates of Kraka Drakk as part of the Daemonward combo and I wouldn't call that a Banner.

 

[Zaratustra]

Hmm. What are folk's thoughts on a plan like this next turn? We can assume more and bigger attacks will happen because that's just the time we live in right now.

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My biggest problem is how we seen unable or unwilling to ask a fair price for our work.
Like we seen to forget but his opening offer was :

"Armour Maker, I would commission your services. Name your quarry, and they will die by beak and rending claw, or name your desire and I will do all in my power to offer it in exchange for your work. When you are ready, simply speak to the Ebonbeak, and it will be so," he says before disappearing into the clouds with a single pulse of his wings, the gale-force winds that you expect to accompany such an act simply not happening.

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And somehow we talked ourselves down from him killing it himself to him doing it with our support, just so we can take the hearth of something, before even knowing if the hearth is the best part, and that is whitout even going on how such a pridefull creature would take the implications of such an offer.

Honestly I don't even know why we are are asking for one thing only, personaly while including the aquisition of the body of an alpha sounds good I would like to give the King a longer fetch quest, between his umatched mobility and his clearly acute magical senses I can't think of anyone better to find the kind of unique magical places that we could use to advance our craft.

 

[BungieONI]

My biggest problem is how we seen unable or unwilling to ask a fair price for our work.
Like we seen to forget but his opening offer was :

And somehow we talked ourselves down from him killing it himself to him doing it with our support, just so we can take the hearth of something, before even knowing if the hearth is the best part, and that is whitout even going on how such a pridefull creature would take the implications of such an offer.

Honestly I don't even know why we are are asking for one thing only, personaly while including the aquisition of the body of an alpha sounds good I would like to give the King a longer fetch quest, between his umatched mobility and his clearly acute magical senses I can't think of anyone better to find the kind of unique magical places that we could use to advance our craft.

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I figured that going on a hunting trip with him would be fine to ask, but I don't really see an issue with asking him to get something strong without our presence. He's got his flock to help and he didn't specify he'd do it alone.

 

[Horium]

My biggest problem is how we seen unable or unwilling to ask a fair price for our work.
Like we seen to forget but his opening offer was :

And somehow we talked ourselves down from him killing it himself to him doing it with our support, just so we can take the hearth of something, before even knowing if the hearth is the best part, and that is whitout even going on how such a pridefull creature would take the implications of such an offer.

Honestly I don't even know why we are are asking for one thing only, personaly while including the aquisition of the body of an alpha sounds good I would like to give the King a longer fetch quest, between his umatched mobility and his clearly acute magical senses I can't think of anyone better to find the kind of unique magical places that we could use to advance our craft.

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Agreed. Sky King is hella strong, has absurd regeneration, can call upon his flock of super-griffons if needed, and depending on the details of our "pact" for armor, he might even have a big honkin' runic armor to top it off before his "quest" for us.

He can put in some serious work, and he's willing to do it. Let's use that.

 

[dbRevned]

[] Boon from the Sky: Tell me of the strongest creature you know of in these lands and help me hunt it down so I can take its hear

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I would want the entire body of the creature not just the heart. And I would prefer just leaving it to the king of the sky to kill himself so I would instead do something along the lines of "get me the body of the strongest/most unique creature that you know of."
I'm not sure if the strongest or the most unique would have a higher chance of having tier 5 material.

 

[BungieONI]

I would want the entire body of the creature not just the heart. And I would prefer just leaving it to the king of the sky to kill himself so I would instead do something along the lines of "get me the body of the strongest/most unique creature that you know of."
I'm not sure if the strongest or the most unique would have a higher chance of having tier 5 material.

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Its pretty interchangeable and I like the idea of letting him do it.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Quick question who or what is Dron and why should there be a brotherhood of them?

 

[BungieONI]

Quick question who or what is Dron and why should there be a brotherhood of them?

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Dron is Thunder in Khazalid and refers to the Thunder Mountain, a volcano in the southern World's Edge Mountains where the Brotherhood of Dron is primarily based. Their unofficial task is trying to break the Rule of Three IIRC. I can't remember what their official task off hand.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Dron is Thunder in Khazalid and refers to the Thunder Mountain, a volcano in the southern World's Edge Mountains where the Brotherhood of Dron is primarily based. Their unofficial task is trying to break the Rule of Three IIRC. I can't remember what their official task off hand.

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Ah thanks that explains...quite a lot actually.

mmm wonder if they'd be interested in setting up a northern branch.

Winds blow strong in the north after all...

 

[BungieONI]

Ah thanks that explains...quite a lot actually.

mmm wonder if they'd be interested in setting up a northern branch.

Winds blow strong in the north after all...

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Way it seems to be is that Runelords who are a part of it can be spread out all over the place and really only use Thunder Mountain for meetings, or possibly things we aren't privy too yet. Kraggi for example is the Runelord of Karak Drazh and I don't figure he'd leave often, barring one of the Ancestors calling.