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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I really want an action to upgrade our own gear to adamant. Were going to want it done before chaos arrives
 
Been lurking for a while, figured I'd pop in and make a suggestion for the KotS situation. Would rather like a T5 ingredient, just so we can make an absolutely mythic set of armour, but as was said earlier, asking the KotS himself to get it himself might be a bit iffy. Him dying in the process would put something of a damper on dwarf-griffin relations from then on. So, why don't we ask him to bring us along on the hunt? Tell him to let us know when he finds a suitable beastie to harvest materials from, then accompany him out to kill it. Good opportunity to build a good personal rapport with him (possibly even befriend him) while protecting our investment in the process. We come home, forge him some kick-ass armour with the material and adamant, and hopefully secure a lifelong friendship with the KotS and the rest of his flock. And if he more formally allies with the Hold as a result, all the better. Could certainly use the air support, when the Chaos Incursion comes a-knocking. Oh right, and

[X] Plan Metal and Secret Brotherhoods. V3
 
TheDuke said:
So, why don't we ask him to bring us along on the hunt? Tell him to let us know when he finds a suitable beastie to harvest materials from, then accompany him out to kill it.
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Hmm might be onto something. Accompanyhing him on the hunt might actually lead to getting a lift on the way there. And given dwarfs have a gerontocracy, we might just be setting a precedent for dwarf airforce. "It's been done before." and "A dwarf older/wiser/richer than me did it first" is perfectly valid justification. Sure, Griffonback fighting is off the cards, given the fact that we don't use spears or lances (yet), but Search and Rescue transport for Rangers and Flying Couriers in the north while the underway is being built. Might be a step towards getting dwarfs on griffons :)
 
TheDuke said:
Been lurking for a while, figured I'd pop in and make a suggestion for the KotS situation. Would rather like a T5 ingredient, just so we can make an absolutely mythic set of armour, but as was said earlier, asking the KotS himself to get it himself might be a bit iffy. Him dying in the process would put something of a damper on dwarf-griffin relations from then on. So, why don't we ask him to bring us along on the hunt? Tell him to let us know when he finds a suitable beastie to harvest materials from, then accompany him out to kill it. Good opportunity to build a good personal rapport with him (possibly even befriend him) while protecting our investment in the process. We come home, forge him some kick-ass armour with the material and adamant, and hopefully secure a lifelong friendship with the KotS and the rest of his flock. And if he more formally allies with the Hold as a result, all the better. Could certainly use the air support, when the Chaos Incursion comes a-knocking. Oh right, and
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Remember that he's a source of T5 material in his own right, so he may be able to supply something without any risk.

Generally though, I agree. Offering to accompany him (And Brokk?) on the hunt makes for better myth building as well, and may also mean that we can harvest some lesser materials on the way. I also quite enjoy reading about Snorri going on adventures to advance his craft as well as locking himself in his workshop. Hunting and fighting alongside the King of the Sky also seems like the kind of thing that could go be a runelord like Snorri inspiration...
 
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Remember that he's a source of T5 material in his own right, so he may be able to supply something without any risk.

Generally though, I agree. Offering to accompany him (And Brokk?) on the hunt makes for better myth building as well, and may also mean that we can harvest some lesser materials on the way. I also quite enjoy reading about Snorri going on adventures to advance his craft as well as locking himself in his workshop. Hunting and fighting alongside the King of the Sky also seems like the kind of thing that could go be a runelord like Snorri inspiration...
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True, but from what I've been reading in the thread, only truly remarkable, legendary characters are for the most part made up of T5 materials. Creatures like the Greedy One and the KotS, which are exceptional but hardly mythical, seem like they only have the one part of them that's a T5 material, and I imagine that material is something rather vital to the creature in question, like the Greedy One's heart. So if we wanted a T5 material from the KotS I imagine we'd need something rather drastic, like one of his eyes or his gizzard. Just some feathers or a talon or what have you probably wouldn't cut it. Might be high tier nonetheless, like T4s or T3s, but for the really good stuff we'd likely need something important. Another benefit to accompanying him, now that I think of it, is that we can get some info about his past. Rather like that suggestion from earlier to try and carve his history and accomplishments into the armour, and there's no better place to learn about them from then the source.
 
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You people do realize that proposing for Snorri to create a legendary item for free, and for a non-dwarf royalty at that, is extremely OOC for Snorri?

For Dwarfs in general?

Sigmar received Ghal Maraz and the Runefangs as thanks for his epic deeds, deeds that arguably saved Karaz Ankor.

What did the Sky King do to deserve such a reward?
 
Horium said:
You people do realize that proposing for Snorri to create a legendary item for free, and for a non-dwarf royalty at that, is extremely OOC for Snorri?

For Dwarfs in general?

Sigmar received Ghal Maraz and the Runefangs as thanks for his epic deeds, deeds that arguably saved Karaz Ankor.

What did the Sky King do to deserve such a reward?
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It's hardly doing it for free. It's more of a long term investment. By crafting the armour for (seemingly) no real cost, we'd be earning a great deal of good reputation and respect with the griffins, and likely the dwarfs besides. It would further our legend, likely putting a very nice deed under our belt, and working with something as exceptional as a T5 material is a reward in and of itself. Not only for the mythical equipment that would come about as a result, and further add to our legend, but also by possibly providing inspiration for future works. Not to mention, it's hardly tossing away the armour. Gifting it to the KotS will likely further bind him in alliance with our Hold, and with the Chaos Incursion around the corner, it would certainly see plenty of use. Even past the Incursion, the big bird's likely not going anywhere, so armouring one of our only friends and allies out here in this frigid, Ancestors forsaken wasteland should, by all rights, lead to some long standing returns and benefits.
 
Horium said:
You people do realize that proposing for Snorri to create a legendary item for free, and for a non-dwarf royalty at that, is extremely OOC for Snorri?

For Dwarfs in general?

Sigmar received Ghal Maraz and the Runefangs as thanks for his epic deeds, deeds that arguably saved Karaz Ankor.

What did the Sky King do to deserve such a reward?
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Dwarves understand diplomacy. They understand the exchange of gifts. They understand investment, that you make a long term outlay

Snorri's moniker is the Gift Giver. If dwarves didn't comprehend and value gifts then they either wouldn't have the word for it or the title would have negative connotations that have never been suggested that it has.

Snorri is smart enough to invest in his relationship with the King of the Skies in the hope that it will lead to a profit in the long run. This is only free at the point of delivery. It should pay off over time.

There's also his pride as a craftsman to consider. This is a masterwork crafted for a monarch. It's a flying advertisement and testament as to Snorri's skills. Would he really want it to be any less than the best?
 
[X] Plan Metal and Secret Brotherhoods. V3
-[X] Odd Places 4/10: Look on Master Yorri's map and try and discover one of his marked locations. The locations will certainly be odd, but whether they'll be useful will remain to be seen. [Cost: 1 action] Roll for usefulness. 1 action
-[X] Trial of the Brotherhood: [Cost: 1 Bar of Adamant for 1 turn]
-[X] [Difficult] A Royal Panoply Pt. 1: [Cost: 1 action] If a rune you want requires special ingredients that you don't have access to I will alert you. 1 Action.
-[X] Choose 1: The King's Armor will have Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Preservation, Rune of Valaya. Forge the Armor from Adamant.
-[X] Choose 2: The Heir's Armor will have Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Preservation, Rune of Sanctuary. Forge the Armor from Adamant.
-[X] The Rune Metal Pt. 4: [Cost: (8 -3) =5 actions] Student of the Odd and Mind for Metal will proc. 3 Actions.
-[X] Kingly Authority: You may petition King Otrek to flex his political muscle to expedite the process. [Cost: 5,10,15, Favour from King Otrek, depending on tier] -1 turn taken on order. Expedite the Dragonhide.
-[X] Dragon Hide [Cost: 2 Turns]
-[X] Obsidian [Cost: 1 Turn]
 
TheDuke said:
It's hardly doing it for free. It's more of a long term investment. By crafting the armour for (seemingly) no real cost, we'd be earning a great deal of good reputation and respect with the griffins, and likely the dwarfs besides. It would further our legend, likely putting a very nice deed under our belt, and working with something as exceptional as a T5 material is a reward in and of itself. Not only for the mythical equipment that would come about as a result, and further add to our legend, but also by possibly providing inspiration for future works. Not to mention, it's hardly tossing away the armour. Gifting it to the KotS will likely further bind him in alliance with our Hold, and with the Chaos Incursion around the corner, it would certainly see plenty of use. Even past the Incursion, the big bird's likely not going anywhere, so armouring one of our only friends and allies out here in this frigid, Ancestors forsaken wasteland should, by all rights, lead to some long standing returns and benefits.
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That's not how Dwarfs think. That's how Elfs think.

Dwarfs are all about fairness. About balancing the books, both in good and ill.

The proposed course of action is pure and simple bribery. Not something Dwarfs approve much of, even if they are aware of the concept.

We don't even know how the Griffins would view all this, as we hardly know them.

Hell, they are basically a new race, uplifted by feeding on the Greedy Ones (trolls with demonic taint).

Would Sky King be grateful? Insulted? Would he consider us suckers, and gladly claim the armor while remaining in his nests in a "splendid isolation" when the demons arrive?

We should allow for the relationship between Dawi and Griffins to develop naturally. Brokk and the King are doing a fine job, let's not tread on their toes.

The Griffin King wants a commision? Fair enough. He will get one, for a price he himself proposed.
 
Horium said:
You people do realize that proposing for Snorri to create a legendary item for free, and for a non-dwarf royalty at that, is extremely OOC for Snorri?

For Dwarfs in general?

Sigmar received Ghal Maraz and the Runefangs as thanks for his epic deeds, deeds that arguably saved Karaz Ankor.

What did the Sky King do to deserve such a reward?
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I'm not advocating giving a legendary item away for free, but if you need more justification for going above and beyond, here's one: His Underlings saved our Underling by killing the trolls attacking that. In Dwarf mentality that, at least, deserves something nice. And we can acknowledge that good turn by going a bit above and beyond what we normally would.

Considering these griffins are clearly Sapient, and Intelligent enough to understand trade, we shouldn't treat their King as anything less than a King. Snorri already has a reputation for going a few extra miles.

Gift giving in diplomacy can be seen as "Reward for service given", as well as "Incentive for volunteering future services"
 
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How about "Access to KotS's feathers for crafting purposes" for the favor? Let's us have another renewable resource, while letting us use it for his armor, while looking good for optics still.
 
Horium said:
That's not how Dwarfs think. That's how Elfs think.

Dwarfs are all about fairness. About balancing the books, both in good and ill.

The proposed course of action is pure and simple bribery. Not something Dwarfs approve much of, even if they are aware of the concept.

We don't even know how the Griffins would view all this, as we hardly know them.

Hell, they are basically a new race, uplifted by feeding on the Greedy Ones (trolls with demonic taint).

Would Sky King be grateful? Insulted? Would he consider us suckers, and gladly claim the armor while remaining in his nests in a "splendid isolation" when the demons arrive?

We should allow for the relationship between Dawi and Griffins to develop naturally. Brokk and the King are doing a fine job, let's not tread on their toes.

The Griffin King wants a commision? Fair enough. He will get one, for a price he himself proposed.
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I mean, the griffins are more at risk then we are, when the daemons come. WE have holes in the ground, and big shiny anti-daemon gates. They have....nests. And again, it's hardly bribery. We WILL earn back all that this armour's worth, and then some, we'll simply extract our payment with time, rather then just settling for a one time payout of a nice material or whatever. Realistically speaking, even if we acquired the T5 material and kept it, how long do you think it would be before we ever made something of it? It'll likely be a century or more before we touch the Greedy Heart, let alone this hypothetical material. I think that crafting some mythical armour for a king we're likely to be seeing quite a bit more of in the future is a more than worthy use of it. Ironfist also brings up a good point. For all that Snorri likes to act gruff and uncaring, letting a good turn like one of the KotS's people saving one of his apprentices go unrewarded would be rather against his nature. Not to mention Snorri's pride as a craftsdwarf. An Adamant armour set, with a T5 material as the centerpiece, is a more then worthy task for us to set to work on. It'll be the work of the century, a piece that'll go down in the annals of Kraka Drak's history. Just being able to craft something like that's a reward in and of itself, for a Runesmith.
 
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