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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Yeah, that instinct and gut feeling is our blessing from Gazul. It must be a fraction of how he felt the world.

And we're the only one showing a blessing so strongly because we're considered the primary challenger, I bet
 
It would be very funny if the solution to runesmith essence conundrum is a "sufficiently cool runic equipment", cause that is probably what a runelord wihtout Snorri's knowledge would give, and it is clear Snorri si actually ahead of the game in regard to magic stuff.
Basically, we will need to yeet our spite ring for the Glimril bar.
 
Well, what is the essence of a runesmith?

Some have theorized blood, or some other tangible part, and that is probably accurate enough.

But what else could it be? A runic item that you poured your all into… did that absorb some of a runesmith's essence in the process?

Anyway, I don't think the solution is the key to making Glimril. Too out of line with the other challenges, which provide hints but no more. So the solution is something on the right path to making Glimril.
 
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BungieONI said:
We could feed an item to the flame, i.e put Zharrgal or Zhar-a-Drakhazi (spite ring) or one of our other items into the flames. We could put Snorri's Blood into it, and that would be our personal solution based on Akazit. We could attempt to feed the flame with Mhorni, as a link to the power within our Set. The interesting thing about all of these is that they may contain some part of the Essence - though I'm uncertain Thungni was using the Essence model at all.

This is pretty straightforward - feed the Flame with something. We don't need to overthink this beyond that. What do we want to give to the flame?
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That feels like quite painful sacrifice tbh. What else to do tho.
 
As far as I remember, to upgrade a gromril to adamant, special dragon blood was needed. And we have a "dragon" in the room. But I'm not sure I remember correctly. Did Karsta actually specialize in blacksmithing and improve our adamant forges? In any case, we passed the last tests almost without her help, simply rushing forward. So Discuss this with your daughter heiress.

I really feel like the answer Blood might be an option, but it sure as hell isn't the right one.
 
I'm currently working with a mental model that the idea is that Thungni would assume that a Runesmith would have a runic item they are willing to give up to the flames here. I think the expected idea is giving up a runic item.

Inside of that mental model there are two versions of it. 1) An item that Can draw on the Deep Magic is given, 2) An item that Cannot draw on the Deep Magic is given. Siphoning's presence could help but eh, we don't got that right now.

I don't think an option of Body, Hand, Yourself is something Thungni would expect so I'm going to rule those options out.

Blood I think is more reasonable than those because its not suicidal or the same level of self harm.

Turning my mental model some more, it could be possible to give Knowledge or Skill but you'd probably have to do that with some kind of runic item as a sacrifice or a runic device that can transmit memory into objects.

Another option is using or sacrificing an item that can feed Magic into the flames.

You could also potentially feed Heat into it if you're a Runelord specializing in the creation and manipulation of flame.

I think Magic, Essence, or Runic Items are all valid answers. Offhand though I think our most practical options are the Spite Ring or Snorri's Blood just based on what we have on hand.
 
Have we ever seen a hint that runic items can be sacrificed to forge other things though?

We have seen body parts be used in forging repeatedly - and dragon blood is used in making adamant.

I think the presence of the (bloodless) dragon may be intended as a hint to make runelords make the leap to using their own blood when forging, prodding them to make a mental leap they may not otherwise.

IronFist said:
Does Mhorni contain essence of Snorri, and would he regenerate if he got burned by whatever Thungni has here??
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I think Mhorni is just some voltron-ed incarnate elementals bound to Barak Azamar. I don't think it's part of Snorri in a way that means it would contain his essence.
 
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IronFist said:
Does Mhorni contain essence of Snorri, and would he regenerate if he got burned by whatever Thungni has here??
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We're pretty certain part of Snorri soul ended up in skarren so he potentially should have essence of Snorri. Whether or not he permakilled is an open question imo.

Also, MPunishing Guardian is the compressed version of the Spite ring but we don't have an Great Taurus's eyes to remake the ring and I don't think we ordered any.
BungieONI said:
I'm currently working with a mental model that the idea is that Thungni would assume that a Runesmith would have a runic item they are willing to give up to the flames here. I think the expected idea is giving up a runic item.

Inside of that mental model there are two versions of it. 1) An item that Can draw on the Deep Magic is given, 2) An item that Cannot draw on the Deep Magic is given. Siphoning's presence could help but eh, we don't got that right now.

I don't think an option of Body, Hand, Yourself is something Thungni would expect so I'm going to rule those options out.

Blood I think is more reasonable than those because its not suicidal or the same level of self harm.

Turning my mental model some more, it could be possible to give Knowledge or Skill but you'd probably have to do that with some kind of runic item as a sacrifice or a runic device that can transmit memory into objects.

Another option is using or sacrificing an item that can feed Magic into the flames.

You could also potentially feed Heat into it if you're a Runelord specializing in the creation and manipulation of flame.

I think Magic, Essence, or Runic Items are all valid answers. Offhand though I think our most practical options are the Spite Ring or Snorri's Blood just based on what we have on hand.
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Do you remember if we put an order for the T3 Great Taurus eye at some point? Or if we have any t4s that can substitute for it?
 
[] [Fuel] BEARD!

A sacrifice with meaning. It symbolizes our accumulated knowledge and experience; the essence of runcrafting. Also it shows that before the wisdom of the ancestors we are but a beardless newborn. Also it burns and would therefore feed the flames rather than douse it as blood would do.

Be brave. Cut the beard.
 
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We need to kindle the flame in which the gromril is located, perhaps perform a ritual, in a sense. We do not engage in blood sacrifice. And if we give our magical artifact to the flame, it must somehow help strengthen the flame, right?
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
We're pretty certain part of Snorri soul ended up in skarren so he potentially should have essence of Snorri. Whether or not he permakilled is an open question imo.

Also, MPunishing Guardian is the compressed version of the Spite ring but we don't have an Great Taurus's eyes to remake the ring and I don't think we ordered any.

Do you remember if we put an order for the T3 Great Taurus eye at some point? Or if we have any t4s that can substitute for it?
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Don't think we have any possible replacements immediately on hand, except maybe a Kraken Eye once we get that autopsy done. Ordering it and dumping favor to rush it is entirely possible though so *shrug*.

Just means we wouldn't build it until like turn 58 or 59.
 
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BungieONI said:
Don't think we have any possible replacements immediately on hand, except maybe a Kraken Eye once we get that autopsy done. Ordering it and dumping favor to rush it is entirely possible though so *shrug*.

Just means we wouldn't build it until like turn 58 or 59.
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I have an idea;

Runeflame. That will be the word if it wins the vote.

Our armor and hammer are Deep Magic conduits. Our hammer produces fire, the armor and cloak produce the Ashstorm - an aspect of the Primordial Fire, if you will.

So, crank all those suckers up to max and feed Deep Magic into the fire, using Runeflame as the conduit.

There's also the very strong possibility that this is another one of those CYOA tests, where the answer is not so much right-wrong as "What will you create from this material I've given you?"
 
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CanYouMeme said:
I have an idea;

Runeflame. That will be the word if it wins the vote.

Our armor and hammer are Deep Magic conduits. Our hammer produces fire, the armor and cloak produce the Ashstorm - an aspect of the Primordial Fire, if you will.

So, crank all those suckers up to max and feed Deep Magic into the fire, using Runeflame as the conduit.
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Hmm! Casting is how I'd phrase that. But that's definitely one possible way to feed Deep Magic into it.
 
CanYouMeme said:
I have an idea;

Runeflame. That will be the word if it wins the vote.

Our armor and hammer are Deep Magic conduits. Our hammer produces fire, the armor and cloak produce the Ashstorm - an aspect of the Primordial Fire, if you will.

So, crank all those suckers up to max and feed Deep Magic into the fire, using Runeflame as the conduit.

There's also the very strong possibility that this is another one of those CYOA tests, where the answer is not so much right-wrong as "What will you create from this material I've given you?"
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Okay. @soulcake if we wanted to inscribe a Rune onto the Silver bar sitting in the forge here, how would we phrase that vote?

Would [] Inscribe work?
 
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