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Murder-suicide is pretty unlikely, yes, but I recall she does tend towards normal suicide post-Witchbomb in at least some of the side materials. And trying to prevent that by supporting her will only increase the limpetness.
 
"Mami, there was another thing Kyuubi has been hiding from us that I discovered in my memories. I... I really don't want to tell you, but you need to know."

"W-what?"

"Have you ever wondered where grief seeds come from?"
 
GiftOfLove said:
We can always just go, "hey kyuubi, what happens when our gem fills up with grief?" And let him take the rap on it.
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Doesn't really solve the problem, as my main concern was her having a critical loss of purpose. I wasn't as worried about her reaction to us hiding things from her as much as her reaction to the information itself. On that note, holy crap is she going to be hurt that we lied to her when we tell her that, not looking forward to it.

Edit: do not attempt to manipulate Kyubey unless you're doing it with greed. Anything else will fail miserably.
 
They don't hand out Incubating licenses to just any emotionless eldritch abominations that apply, you know. Coobs isn't so easy to handle as you might think.
 
We didn't lie to her, did we? Keeping hurtful secrets is not the same as lying. Even if you disagree that they should be kept to begin with.
 
Stop and think back. Was it possibility reasonable to drop both of those bombs on her at once? As long as we do tell her, things will be not horrible-probably.
 
We might at some point remind her of how bad the lichbomb was, let her know there's another secret that's far, far worse, and let her decide whether she wants to know or not.
 
GiftOfLove said:
Stop and think back. Was it possibility reasonable to drop both of those bombs on her at once? As long as we do tell her, things will be not horrible-probably.
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Reasonable? No, all that information at once would have killed her, one way or another. I'm not saying we should have told her before now, but that doesn't change the fact that we've had every opportunity to tell her, and have been acting in some situations to ensure that she doesn't find out from anyone else either. Hopefully she understands the need to wait to tell her when she finds out, but it's still something to consider.
 
So this makes how many witchbomb arguments in this thread now? 12 or something, right?
 
Basically: witchbombing Mami needs to be done at some point, but the exact approach and our explanation of why we didn't tell her to begin with? That's up for serious debate.
 
Onmur said:
We might at some point remind her of how bad the lichbomb was, let her know there's another secret that's far, far worse, and let her decide whether she wants to know or not.
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That's not really a fair question. The knowledge that you're living in ignorance can weigh on you quite heavily, especially when we tell her she's ignorant of something that bad. Humans are curious creatures, and telling them that they don't want to know something is a wonderful way to make them want to know that something.
 
Ideally we have something in our witchresearch to show that gives hope that things dont have to stay this way forever, but who knows if or when thats gonna happen.
 
It is not the only argument to have.

Kazumi Magica pointed out well that some might take the secret of not being real well. AuraTwilight said that Japanese culture holds "naturalness" as moral good.

Then there's the secret that Sabrina is manifestication of an internet forum/hivemind/loses and gains bits of her brain at any time.

Then there's Homura resetting time thing. In some asian cultures, erasing the memories can be taken as worse than killing, given that with erasure of person there is no afterlife (this is, incidentially,reason behind one of my user titles).

And let's not forget that a Madoka wish that can unfuck the world in major parts is within realms of possibility, and we've known this.

Lesser secrets would be what happened to Mami's kouhais like Kazusa or Masami.
 
Gadjo said:
That's not really a fair question. The knowledge that you're living in ignorance can weigh on you quite heavily, especially when we tell her she's ignorant of something that bad. Humans are curious creatures, and telling them that they don't want to know something is a wonderful way to make them want to know that something.
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That's fair. Some people can decide to live in ignorance. Mami is not likely one of them.


Ah, but I didn't only want to talk about witchbombs. How are we gonna address Sabrina's latest issue regarding Mami? How much time would Mami need before that, and how is she gonna take it that Sabrina's doubting her own value as a friend? Would Mami panic and think Sabrina's gonna leave her as soon as we breach the subject?

Should we actually not do any of this and just try and be a good friend without airing our doubts?


And Kirika: Not telling her about how we got Oriko to talk is totally an option, but one that would leave a bad taste in my mouth. Last time it came up, some people were all for it and other all against it. Where do we stand?
 
'Lement said:
It is not the only argument to have.

Kazumi Magica pointed out well that some might take the secret of not being real well. AuraTwilight said that Japanese culture holds "naturalness" as moral good.

Then there's the secret that Sabrina is manifestication of an internet forum/hivemind/loses and gains bits of her brain at any time.

Then there's Homura resetting time thing. In some asian cultures, erasing the memories can be taken as worse than killing, given that with erasure of person there is no afterlife (this is, incidentially,reason behind one of my user titles).

And let's not forget that a Madoka wish that can unfuck the world in major parts is within realms of possibility, and we've known this.

Lesser secrets would be what happened to Mami's kouhais like Kazusa or Masami.
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We never told her what we threatened to do with Kirika, did we? And we technically lied to her the moment we met her by acting like we'd never seen/heard of her before. And we never fully disclosed what we knew Oriko and Kirika were capable of. And we've still not told anyone about the Law of Cycles or Homucifer, even when they might want/need that info. And we have general knowledge of time post-2011 we've never shared. We're really not very open with anyone.
 
Krecart said:
I'm pretty sure Sabrina's not actually aware of this bit, so it's not really a secret she's keeping.
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Sabrina is aware of everything in thread. There is no practial IC/OOC separation.

@aeqnai: More infohazards yay :D!

Though that "we've never seen her before lie" goes under Kyubey revealing that we are consumate actor, at least partially.

Though "You knew about the Tsunami/Earthquake and did nothing" is bit of a problem....
 
Well a lot of the stuff we know will probably be completely butterfly-ed away thanks to all this...thisness.
 
Onmur said:
That's fair. Some people can decide to live in ignorance. Mami is not likely one of them.


Ah, but I didn't only want to talk about witchbombs. How are we gonna address Sabrina's latest issue regarding Mami? How much time would Mami need before that, and how is she gonna take it that Sabrina's doubting her own value as a friend? Would Mami panic and think Sabrina's gonna leave her as soon as we breach the subject?

Should we actually not do any of this and just try and be a good friend without airing our doubts?


And Kirika: Not telling her about how we got Oriko to talk is totally an option, but one that would leave a bad taste in my mouth. Last time it came up, some people were all for it and other all against it. Where do we stand?
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I think apologizing for walking all over her like she'd just do whatever we wanted (which she kinda will) is something we should do once we head back to the apartment; it needs to be said. I don't think that'd make Mami worry that we're going to leave, if we phrase it properly.
aeqnai said:
We never told her what we threatened to do with Kirika, did we?
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On that note, does Kirika know what we threatened to do to her?
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Sabrina is aware of everything in thread. There is no practial IC/OOC separation.
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The thread has been written as Sabrina's thought process, and she has knowledge she shouldn't have because, we suspect, she's a result of Madoka's wish last loop. People joke that she's got brain damage due to the odd non-sequitur's that she's always stumbling upon, but think about how you move from thought to thought in day to day life: It is not directed and logical at all times. Even the arguments could be seen as crises of conscience and doubt. So far, Sabrina has not been characterized as knowing her knowledge and thoughts come from the thread, and personally, I like it that way.
 
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