Akumura has no reason to try and stop us because even if Sabrina is shard of LoC, she does EXACTLY what Akumura would've wanted - keeps Madoka the hell away from Godhood, from all mystical bullshit for that matter really. I am racking my brain trying to come up with explanation WHY Akumura would do all these pointless hide and seek instead of just strolling up to Sabrina and teaming up officially or just taking hands off approach and let us do our thing.

Could be a variant of Homucifer that's more influenced by Homulily - steeping deep in self-flagellation.

Call her "Ultimate Homulily" to mark her as an equivalent to "Ultimate Gretchen" but distinct from the "standard" Homucifer.
 
Could be a variant of Homucifer that's more influenced by Homulily - steeping deep in self-flagellation.

Call her "Ultimate Homulily" to mark her as an equivalent to "Ultimate Gretchen" but distinct from the "standard" Homucifer.

Yea . . . Like I've said earlier, the divinities are different from their mortal counterparts. And we may be dealing with fragments, or different aspects.

And we likely won't know the reasoning until we, like, talk to her. Which is an option, if we can figure out how to attract her.
 
So, uh, I will point out -- since I don't see anyone having inferred it from the draft vote I drummed up late last night -- that the present universe-scenario is, from the Incubators' perspective, a desirable outcome of their conflict with the Law of Cycles in Rebellion.

We are not pre-Law of Cycles. So, at some point, witches weren't a problem. Now we're back to witches again.

Who won in Rebellion, here? Was it Homura? Or was it Kyubey?

I mean, the alternative is, I guess, the one hypothesis we saw from I think Mura, that we're an outside universe. But, if we're not...
 
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Time traveler grammar.

PMAS is taking place either in the time that will never have happened before the PMMM finale and Rebellion, or after Rebellion and some resets or possibly because it is a big wide multiverse and every possible timeline is a big place, simultaneously with Rebellion.
 
I'm not actually convinced PMAS is post rebellion. We know it's post PMMM but that's it.
As people said: casualty gets a bit wonky when dealing with entities beyond time. If such entities COULD exist it only means they already do and always did. We very well could be pre Rebellion but it doesnt matter because Madokami and Akumura are always were and always will be a thing baring using Wish to somehow overpower them. Plus this chapter literally namedropped LoC, cant get more certain than that.


Immediate correction: LoC is such an entity. We have no confirmation that Akumura also beyond time for she merely wields stolen power. Honestly, kind of points more to the LoC minus Madoka being suspect. It wants its shard, its core shard even, back so it tries to reach to Madoka through time. My theory at least.
 
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I mean, I don't think it matters much since both Madokami and Homucifer are beyond time
It matters a lot though? The theory that our Homura is a different Homura than the canon one, and that all this is a result of canon Madokami running aground on last timeline Madoka's wish for everything to be fixable, is very different from the theory that this is after Rebellion, in ways that will be very important when whatever drama's happening with whatever metaphysical entities are relevant to our existence comes to a head.
 
Stop, full stop. We're being idiots.

"Alright. That's just an empty book," she says. "I'll vanish it when we finish up here, so there'll be no records left but what's in our heads. Now, Miss Mikuni - focus on what you want to know, and let your hand write. I'd also recommend closing your eyes, it can feel pretty weird."

Of course, that barely impinges. Written on the page in Oriko's neat handwriting are just two sentences.

The Law is broken. She searches for the missing fragment.

We have received an answer.

What the fuck was the question?

What did Oriko want to know?
 
Stop, full stop. We're being idiots.





We have received an answer.

What the fuck was the question?

What did Oriko want to know?

I asked this but uh, noone answered.

It was the first thing i asked when the chapter released actually.

Im also not certain we are post rebellion or not, we should wait till we finish this before coming into a conclusion.
 
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Wait, that is pretty important. We also should ask ourselves what we were doing before we appeared in that alley.

[X] Ask Oriko what question she had in mind when she started writing. If it's not fit for group hearing have her trace it out while using nanofog to record and mentally output what is written.
-[X] Before you try to make any conclusions, take your turn at it and mentally ask yourself, in order, what you were doing before you woke up in the alley, where the clothes came from, what you recall Homura's 'feathers' looked like, what the feather you found looks like, and what you've been doing while trancing for good measure. Hide the answers while writing and reveal them to yourself only in case they're problematic.


All of these seem worth trying. If the feathers match it's a dead ringer. We can choose what is kosher to reveal once we have max info, though we'll still need Sayaka's subconscious testimony. Homura would be interesting of course but we can't do that.

Edit: Since Rebellion is canon Sabrina should have some idea of what Akuma Homura looks like, and since this power also seems to help clarify stuff it may help solidify meta knowledge? Can't hurt to try each.
 
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[X] Ask Oriko what question she had in mind when she started writing. If it's not fit for group hearing have her trace it out while using nanofog to record and mentally output what is written.
-[X] Make Umika a power booster in case it helps.
-[X] Take your turn, mentally asking yourself what you were doing before you woke up in the alley, where the clothes came from, what you recall Homura's 'feathers' are supposed to look like, and what you've been doing while trancing for good measure. Hide the answers from view by others until you confirm they aren't problematic.
-[X] Regardless of the answers, Show Umika the Feather and see what she can glean from it. Pass the power booster to Oriko so she can examine it too.

How about this? Covers a booster and we show the feather. Might as well also have Oriko try examining it boosted.
 
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This is basically me iterating on Jimi using Nerevars comment about not forgetting that we came here for Oriko's interest.

[X] Emphasize to all: *this never leaves this bubble.* Nothing happened here. It was unimportant.

[X] To Oriko:
-[X] "What the hell did you *ask*?"
--[X] If she wants to answer privately, facilitate that.

[X] Iterate through...
-[X] Everything Oriko wants to ask.
-[X] Your own questions about...
--[X] Your status before you woke up in the alley
--[X] Where your clothes came from (in the alley)
--[X] What you've done when tranced, when it was significant
--[X] What you recall Homura's feathers are supposed to look like
--[X] Why your potential was strange
--[X] Who the voice you've been hearing belongs to
--[X] "Who is dreaming?"

[X] Try re-asking, and have Oriko re-ask, all of the questions while involving a power booster in the process.

[X] Show Umika the feather and see what she can get from it.

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Stop, full stop. We're being idiots.
Well, yes. We should be asking followup questions. Lots of them. This was literally the first sentence from what was intended to be a full on investigation, with a lot of questions and answers and back and forth.

What we should be doing is less asking her what she was looking for and instead start asking specific questions. Such as "What were you thinking when you said Homura and I could change destiny?" Or "Can you draw the Feathers that were obscuring your vision for comparison?" Or "What do you remember about the attack on Sayaka?" And most importantly, "Where were you when you saw yourself dying?"

We should also ask Oriko if her powers just inherently gave information in cryptic form or if that's something she had to add in after the fact. Because that sentance was supposedly Oriko remembering something and communicating that information to herself.

In general, most of the focus on any of Oriko's visions should center around the period she saw herself dead and see if we can draw conclusions about what she was doing in the time immediately before, what the circumstances might have been, what might have provoked Feathers or given Feathers more license to act against her, that sort of thing.

We should also be parallelizing some of this. Umika should be able to make more than one book. We should be able to have Mami, Kirika, Sabrina, and Oriko write a narrative of the suspicious Feathers related events like the Barrier incidents to see if those narratives line up between Mami and Sabrina and Oriko and Kirika to see if we can draw conclusions about how Feathers' reality warping works.

Also, see if the invisitext shows up if we try to write the memory of a scene where we know it showed up in during the story.

While we're doing this, see if Umika can Heaven's Door the feather from the Barrier experiment to extract information about it. Also, ask Oriko to check the karmic connections for the feather with her new powers. If it's a mundane feather, at least she should be able to trace its karmic connections back to the bird it came from.

I think the resistance Oriko is encountering is interesting. Umika is indicating that's not normal, suggesting that it may not just be Oriko losing access to those memories due to her powers shifting, but might be enemy action. We know Homufer was capable of messing with memories, and she is high up on our suspect list for Feathers for a reason.

Maybe, Oriko's visions were never actually being obscured, but she was having her memory of those visions modified. And now Oriko is pushing past those memory blocks and getting at information she didn't have access to when she had her precog due to the memory blocks.

It's also important to consider the possibility that Feathers was trying to kill Oriko specifically to deny us access to the information from her visions. That might mean that when her powers changed, she was content to seal her memories and move on, scratching Oriko off the hit list once she was no longer a threat. Oriko wouldn't have been able to see the change to her expected destiny, since by that point she would have lost her precog powers. Depending on what we find out, we might want to consider seeing how Oriko feels about Umika adding her own memory blocks to keep her from being targeted. Something that could be released while we are together in a privacy bubble while we contiue to analyze and investigate, then reapplied before she leaves.
Wait, that is pretty important. We also should ask ourselves what we were doing before we appeared in that alley.
We should definitely do this. Maybe also see if we can't remember why we were dying. Our presence is one of the key anomolies and apparently wards off Feathers to some degree.
 
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