We have to keep working on increasing Sabrina's fame and credibility, so that people will start at least having doubts about there being alternatives.

Even among those who trust QB, cleansing surely ranks higher than any of his services, clear seeds also offer a solution to hatching grief seeds. And after Iowa, even big groups will likely be a tad squeamish about confronting us.

For sure, be it part of QB's schemes or otherwise, we'll keep running into conflicts. But helping people is our main goal and that is inevitably going to antagonize QB, if only in an indirect way. We are aiming to break his system after all.

I'm still not convinced we can't negotiate some sort of status quo with the Incubators. As far as we know, QB is not considering an alternative to the entropy problem from us. We haven't offered him one or shown any interest in cooperating. All his advances we have dismissed with varying degrees of antagonism.

Imo, we still know too little, especially about these Incubators, to rule cooperation out.
Madoka's wish could have affected them too after all.

That said, for now we should assume he still behaves like in canon. In that light, contracting Madoka is going to be his main objective on Earth and we know what potential consequences come with that.

So we should prioritize protecting her even if that means antagonizing QB in a more direct way, because it's simply too risky to do otherwise.
 
We haven't offered him one or shown any interest in cooperating. All his advances we have dismissed with varying degrees of antagonism.
We did, shortly after discovering clear seeds and offering him the loose grief. His response was that we're more efficient fighting witches, he wasn't interested in the idea of loose grief.

I do agree about knowledge, we don't know why he wasn't interested in such, and negotiations with the incubator would require us to have a deep knowledge about these matters that we just don't have.

And yeah, the hard part about negotiating with the incubator is going to be having the standing to represent the people of earth.
Madoka is going to be his main objective on Earth and we know what potential consequences come with that.
I think a combination of information and the whole "human designed and built mages" program is a better plan to keep Madoka out of danger than a rushed attack on the incubators. More attractive to the point where we begin diverting our limited RnD resources? That's an in character discussion to be had. I do strongly believe that any actions against the incubators at this point in time would be too dangerous to risk.
 
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We did, shortly after discovering clear seeds and offering him the loose grief. His response was that we're more efficient fighting witches, he wasn't interested in the idea of loose grief.

That was not much of an alternative on its own. Not sure how much QB could know or deduce about our abilities from the start. We have considerably widened the scope of our powers since then and, whatever the reason, he did show interest in our experiments and plans, he even offered to give insight more than once.

But yeah, I'm glad we agree, if nothing else we should have reliable intelligence about the Incubators in order for negotiation to be an option at all.

I think a combination of information and the whole "human designed and build mages" program is a better plan to keep Madokami out of danger than a rushed attack on the incubators.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this, could you explain a little more about the program you mentioned?

I'm not advocating an attack on the incubators, I just don't think a QB isolation field would amount to an 'attack' any more than what we've done so far to keep Madoka safe from him.

Sabrina's existence itself is disruptive to the current system, if QB is planning to get rid of her he will likely keep at it, isolation field or not.
 
I just don't think a QB isolation field would amount to an 'attack' any more than what we've done so far to keep Madoka safe from him.
Solving the "Kyubey wants Madoka to contract" has some problems when approached from the Kyubey side, so why not give Madoka reasons not to contract. We've already told her the negatives, and given her mundane stuff to do. The end game should be giving her something magical to do.

Currently Madoka could say that the price is worth it, and the mundane contribution she makes could be improved by contracting. Involving her in a project that requires her status as a potential gives her a reason to stay a potential. This is a perfect match for our efforts to develop our own magic users. It doesn't matter if it takes years, for those years it would keep Madoka out of contracting.
 
I do agree about knowledge, we don't know why he wasn't interested in such, and negotiations with the incubator would require us to have a deep knowledge about these matters that we just don't have.
There's nothing stopping us from just asking him for his collected Grief Seeds and offering to give him the Grief from them back. We obviously have a use for Clear Seeds, so that provides an obvious motive for the request from Sabrina. And if his Grief extraction process is less efficient than Sabrina's, it may well result in a net gain for Kyubey. We don't need to know anything about his operation or the mechanics or metaphysics in order to make this proposal, and the worst that can happen is he'll say no. And if he says yes, we won't need to fight Kyubey for those souls.

I like the idea of sorting out piecemeal treaties with Kyubey in narrow areas where there is mutual benefit even while we're still trying to kill eachother.
Solving the "Kyubey wants Madoka to contract" has some problems when approached from the Kyubey side, so why not give Madoka reasons not to contract. We've already told her the negatives, and given her mundane stuff to do. The end game should be giving her something magical to do.

Currently Madoka could say that the price is worth it, and the mundane contribution she makes could be improved by contracting. Involving her in a project that requires her status as a potential gives her a reason to stay a potential. This is a perfect match for our efforts to develop our own magic users. It doesn't matter if it takes years, for those years it would keep Madoka out of contracting.
Quick reminder: We have a meeting with Madoka in a couple of hours explicitly for the purpose of explaining about the stuff we're keeping from her and hopefully providing her better reasons not to contract than we've given her so far.

My suggestion was letting her know that her potential is obscenely, dangerously high, such that her contracting under Kyubey's system will have the side effect of ending the world.

I don't have a problem supplementing that with bringing up the possibility of finding another way to tap into some of that potential without going through Kyubey and his system. Especially since we can tie that back in to the fact that we just learned it was possible in Tokyo.
 
asking him for his collected Grief Seeds and offering to give him the Grief from them back.
This is an interesting question, and it gives nothing away. There are plenty of reasons he might refuse, and a few decent reasons he might give for refusing so obvious incubator precautions apply.

Same for the Madoka suggestion. Why didn't we bring it up earlier? Currently Madoka's potential is largely explainable through Homura's loop boosting but even in the first timeline she was an attractive contract.
 
I really like the idea of asking QB for the collected grief seeds. Even if he says no we might learn something more about what happens to the seeds.

Quick reminder: We have a meeting with Madoka in a couple of hours explicitly for the purpose of explaining about the stuff we're keeping from her and hopefully providing her better reasons not to contract than we've given her so far.

My suggestion was letting her know that her potential is obscenely, dangerously high, such that her contracting under Kyubey's system will have the side effect of ending the world.

Did we get Homura's approval for this?
 
Did we get Homura's approval for this?
We spoke to Homura and Sayaka before setting up the talk with Madoka and Hitomi at lunch today. Madoka and Hitomi are expecting explainations about the infohazard breach at Tokyo. We asked Homura and Sayaka to think about what we should be telling Madoka, noting our fears that if we try to keep Madoka in the dark, she's more likely to contract since she won't know why she shouldn't.

We have not gone into specific things to tell Madoka. I want us to tell Madoka that her contracting is dangerous to others, because I believe Madoka is much more likely to be disuaded by risks to others than she is risks to herself. But this is a proposal I've been trying to get the thread to consider.

Any proposals the thread comes up with will then have to be floated to Homura and Sayaka in quest during a timestop prior to the talk with Madoka. Only after we have a concensus both in thread and in quest with our friends will we be talking to Madoka.
 
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Thank you for summing that up!

That's likely gonna be one more tricky conversation with Homura. Makes me glad Sayaka will be there. And Mami. And that they both see Homura as a friend who has gone through a lot.

Madoka will probably want to know why her having such a high potential constitutes a danger to others. Does that mean we're considering explaining witches?

In that case I feel for Mami too. She won't be there for the explanation and wonder why. If we're completely honest and tell her it's about infohazards, she'll realize that Madoka and in particular Sayaka as a kouhai MG can take it while she cannot. Otherwise we tell her a white lie/omit things, which feels horrible too. And Mami's become so good at reading Sabrina.

I don't know, maybe it's me seeing all black. I just dread the witch talks so much.
 
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Thank you for summing that up!

That's likely gonna be one more tricky conversation with Homura. Makes me glad Sayaka will be there. And Mami. And that they both see Homura as a friend who has gone through a lot.

Madoka will probably want to know why her having such a high potential constitutes a danger to others. Does that mean we're considering explaining witches?

In that case I feel for Mami too. She won't be there for the explanation and wonder why. If we're completely honest and tell her it's about infohazards, she'll realize that Madoka and in particular Sayaka as a kouhai MG can take it while she cannot. Otherwise we tell her a white lie/omit things, which feels horrible too. And Mami's become so good at reading Sabrina.

I don't know, maybe it's me seeing all black. I just dread the witch talks so much.
My plan was to cover the fact that Madoka making a wish would result in the end of the world without mentioning the mechanism. Kyubey knows it would have that result and doesn't care, and because Kyubey doesn't lie, he will confirm that fact if Madoka decides to ask him for confirmation.

This can be done even if Homura and Sayaka remain insistent that Madoka not know about Witches.

What I'd like to do is explain to Madoka that there are additional things she should know before deciding to contract, and ask her to come to talk to us if she's tempted to make a wish to fix things so we can tell her those things she needs to know. The idea is to have a step in between "deciding she should contract" and "actually sealing the deal with Kyubey" in order to short circuit Kyubey's attempts to put her on the spot. Same way some people plan to talk over a car purchase with their spouse before they go car shopping to keep the salesman from pressuring them into signing what might turn out to be a bad deal due to a time crunch.

I wrote up an example of what I'd like to say to Madoka a couple years back:
I'm suggesting something more along these lines:

"Madoka, I'm sorry we haven't had this talk before. There's been a lot on my plate, but that's no excuse, because this is important. Do you remember when we first met in the alley? How the first thing I did was ask Kyubey what my potential was? Well, I don't know if we've gone over this, but potential is sort of a measure of how powerful a potential Magical Girl can be, and how powerful a wish they can be granted. It also factors in to how much energy Kyubey can harvest from the process. My potential being weird is why when I wished for Grief Control, I got the really useful version when other girls who've made similar wishes got a much less useful version.

"Anyway, I don't know if Kyubey's said anything about your potential, but it's really high. Way higher than Mami and Sayaka, higher than me. It's so high that it's actually dangerous to you and others in a way that normal girls' potential isn't. It's hard to say this in a way that doesn't make it sound like I'm being overly dramatic, but you making a wish would end the world. Not could. Would. This is one of the key pieces of knowledge I came into existence with. It's why when I was dying in that alley I pushed through and make the contract instead of you doing it. Kyubey knows. He just doesn't care because the energy he can harvest from you will fill his 'quota' for earth, and he can write the whole planet off. What he doesn't know is that your potential is high enough that destroying the earth is on the low end of what could end up happening.

"I've seen a version of you who knew the risks and tried to compensate for it with a really clever wish. It ended up destroying and recreating the universe and altering causality in ways that make my head hurt to think about, and that I'm not sure we aren't still experiencing side effects from despite the fact that you haven't actually done it. But that really clever wish also cut into Kyubey's bottom line, and he got active, going up against you and the people you care about directly in a way I've never seen from him in any other situation.

"There's a lot more I can tell you, a few things I'm still keeping because they aren't my secrets to tell, and a few things that I would really rather you knew but our other friends are worried you'd take it badly enough that you'd try to make a wish anyway even knowing the risks. I can tell you that I'm working on answers to those other situations that wouldn't require a universe retconning wish to fix, and I believe we can fix those problems. If you really want to know anyway, I don't think I can justify not telling you, but I know it would hurt Homura if I went behind her back on some of it. I'm trying to talk her around so she'll be ready to accept that it's safe giving you the whole story, which I do believe it is.

"But I will ask that, if you do think you've got a really clever solution, please run it by me first. It might be something I've seen you try once upon a never, and there might be things you don't know yet that would make a given wish or plan a bad idea if you knew the full story. Or you might come up with something that would be way smarter than I've got for a plan. But please, don't act without talking it over first. I know I'm not being fair keeping secrets and telling you not to act on incomplete knowledge, but you heard about Soul Gems. You saw how dangerous some of these things I know can be.

"So, how about this? If there is some reason a clever idea of yours won't work, I won't just say it won't work. I'll tell you why even if none of our other friends think you should know. Because there's too much riding on your decision to wish or not wish.

"Now, I know that was pretty heavy to dump on you. But take a few minutes if you need to. Get your thoughts in order. Then ask me anything you want to know. If it's something I'm not supposed to tell you, I'll tell you that, but anything I can tell you, I will. And I'd like to know how you're feeling. About the stuff I just said. About the stuff that's been going on so far. About Sayaka contracting. About being left out of the Magical Girl stuff as much as you have. About anything. Because we haven't had a chance to really sit down and talk one on one."
 
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I remain highly skeptical of the so-called "apocalypsebomb" actually pushing Madoka's behaviour in a useful direction.

We do absolutely still need to touch base with Madoka, see how she's handling everything, ask of Kyubey has contacted her at all, and reaffirm that she can come to us or her other friends if she has questions or concerns - there's a lot of useful stuff to do during a talk with Madoka later, without even touching on a debriefing on Tokyo.
 
I remain highly skeptical of the so-called "apocalypsebomb" actually pushing Madoka's behaviour in a useful direction.

We do absolutely still need to touch base with Madoka, see how she's handling everything, ask of Kyubey has contacted her at all, and reaffirm that she can come to us or her other friends if she has questions or concerns - there's a lot of useful stuff to do during a talk with Madoka later, without even touching on a debriefing on Tokyo.

Checking in with Madoka and hearing her out is the most important thing.

Making it explicit that we will break trust and spill any secret we have if the alternative is Madoka contracting in ignorance is another point I'd like to make. I believe that our friends would want that to be our priority if the situation came up, but I want it spelled out for everyone so we're all on the same page about it. Especially with Madoka herself aware that's everyone's priority.

Telling Madoka that her wishing will end the world is lower on my priority list than those two points.

I keep raising it only on the grounds that I believe telling Madoka SOMETHING is better than telling her NOTHING, and because it is possible to tell Madoka about the scale of the risk without going into the mechanism. It is my belief that Homura will object less to telling Madoka this than she would going into details about the Witchbomb or about the Loops.
 
This is one of the key pieces of knowledge I came into existence with.
I don't think that relying on the explanation of our metaknowledge is a good tack, I think we should explain that witch strength is proportional to potential strength, and come clean about the origin of witches to everyone. Making an argument from our precog puts us in an Oriko trap for no benefit. Our friends are in a different and better place than Tetris Mami.

I do agree that Homura learning about her loops boosting Madoka's potential is a messy situation, but we can tell Madoka her potential is huge without going into it's origin.
 
I don't think that relying on the explanation of our metaknowledge is a good tack, I think we should explain that witch strength is proportional to potential strength, and come clean about the origin of witches to everyone. Making an argument from our precog puts us in an Oriko trap for no benefit. Our friends are in a different and better place than Tetris Mami.

I do agree that Homura learning about her loops boosting Madoka's potential is a messy situation, but we can tell Madoka her potential is huge without going into it's origin.
To clarify. I WANT to tell Madoka EVERYTHING. I am proposing this as a COMPROMISE because I do not expect Homura to agree with telling Madoka EVERYTHING.
 
hmmm, now that i think about it, why are people trying to make Madoka "tap into her potential"? like you guys realize that that's how the Magical Girl System started right? and that Kyubey only made it more efficient? like if you guys want it that way, we might as well go full Incubator on her, and trust me, you never want to go full Incubator on anyone, let alone on Madoka:
 
hmmm, now that i think about it, why are people trying to make Madoka "tap into her potential"? like you guys realize that that's how the Magical Girl System started right? and that Kyubey only made it more efficient? like if you guys want it that way, we might as well go full Incubator on her, and trust me, you never want to go full Incubator on anyone, let alone on Madoka:
Having magical powers is awesome. Having magical powers makes having an impact on the world easier. Madoka wants to be a Magical Girl and have a positive impact on the world so much, she spends most of the first few episodes stumped for what to wish for because being a Magical Girl in itself is what she wants. And she is amazing at it from what little we see in Moemura's flashback to the first timeline.

The only reason we are denying Madoka her genuine heart's desire is that being a Magical Girl under Kyubey's system specifically is bad. Wanting to find a way to give Madoka what she wants without the horrible costs and hidden catches isn't that strange an idea.
 
Having magical powers is awesome. Having magical powers makes having an impact on the world easier. Madoka wants to be a Magical Girl and have a positive impact on the world so much, she spends most of the first few episodes stumped for what to wish for because being a Magical Girl in itself is what she wants. And she is amazing at it from what little we see in Moemura's flashback to the first timeline.

The only reason we are denying Madoka her genuine heart's desire is that being a Magical Girl under Kyubey's system specifically is bad. Wanting to find a way to give Madoka what she wants without the horrible costs and hidden catches isn't that strange an idea.
In short, we want to seize the means of meguca production. When we're running the factories, we won't be using production methods that make OSHA scream in terror.
 
you guys realize that that's how the Magical Girl System started right?
The problem with the "magical girl system" isn't the superpowers, or the eternal youth, or the defending people from monsters. It's the despair induced eldritch abominations, exploitation and nonconsent.

If we can find an ethical way to give people those superpowers it would be awesome. Our goal isn't to hobble the world to some arbitrary definition of baseline. The endgame isn't the removal of magic, it's the removal of the incubators.

The problem of why the incubators set up the system the way they did is a separate problem. Do you think that attempts to improve the human condition are equivalent to the colonial extraction economy the incubator runs?
 
I have precisely zero issues with Madoka getting superpowers and being a cool hero.

If Madoka can get superpowers without:
• the usual meguca issues (cleansing dependency, becoming a witch, destroying the world)
• making Homura sad

Then I am 100% in support of that outcome.

Indeed, on a thematic level Madoka sacrificing her agency is the problem in both the Original Series and in Rebellion, and her reclaiming it is the only real way for that story to reach a happy conclusion, where Madoka and Homura can cooperate as equals.

Of course, as things stand, Madoka risking herself will absolutely make Homura sad - and I suspect that changing this is the main thrust that all our social efforts ultimately will need to culminate in, in order to "win" PMAS.

So... yeah. You seem to be badly missing the point, @Mokyu .
 
I have precisely zero issues with Madoka getting superpowers and being a cool hero.

If Madoka can get superpowers without:
• the usual meguca issues (cleansing dependency, becoming a witch, destroying the world)
• making Homura sad

Then I am 100% in support of that outcome.

Indeed, on a thematic level Madoka sacrificing her agency is the problem in both the Original Series and in Rebellion, and her reclaiming it is the only real way for that story to reach a happy conclusion, where Madoka and Homura can cooperate as equals.

Of course, as things stand, Madoka risking herself will absolutely make Homura sad - and I suspect that changing this is the main thrust that all our social efforts ultimately will need to culminate in, in order to "win" PMAS.
And even then, Madoka ought to be able to choose to make Homura sad if she thinks it's worth it, as a necessary part of giving her agency. She wouldn't, of course—she's just that nice—but denying her the choice (provided that choice is fully informed) isn't right either.
 
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You close your eyes and exhale. Yeah, no. However much as it would make things convenient, it's Mami's choice. You have absolutely zero right to take the choice away from her, as a friend, as her partner, as a decent person. No matter how much you think it would be better for her. And you can only imagine the hurt it would cause her if you didn't tell her, especially on the heels of Kyuubey.

"Mami? Homura?" You reach out once more with telepathy, the mental connection stretching all the way to Mitakihara Middle School, half a city away.

"Sabrina? What is it?" Some of the tension must have bled through your mental voice, because Mami's response is immediate and serious, the usual playful air completely absent.

"We're being tailed by unknown magical girls - Kyouko thinks there might be as many as four of them, but I also suspect it might be the Soujus mucking around with the Soul Gems they collected," you respond, starting to pace on the soft loam underfoot. "Kyouko brought us into a Barrier, and they're waiting outside."

"I'm on my way," Mami says.

"I- ah," you say hurriedly. "Mami, you don't have to? We've got a plan to counter-ambush them, and I was just letting you know because I didn't want to keep it-"

"I know, Sabrina," Mami says, her voice warm. "I understand. I know you'd prefer that I stay at school, but... I can't, Sabrina. Not when my friends are in danger, or if you're in danger. If our positions were reversed, I know you'd do the same for me."

"I..." You swallow, fighting the impulse to apologize, because she's right. You know her, just as much as she knows you, and from the moment you'd started this telepathic call, this was always going to be the outcome. "OK."

You consider raising the fact that it might be a misunderstanding, that maybe the Soujus are here for peaceful reasons. It's possible. But it rings hollow as a reason for Mami to not come to you. Not in the face of her certainty, her determination to be by your side.

"It's just one day," Mami says. "They won't make too much of a fuss, Sabrina. Alright?"

"Alright," you say softly. You choose to believe Mami - the Japanese school system can be ferocious, you know that much, but it's a matter of trust. Mami says it'll be fine, and so, you believe her, and that's that. And if there do turn out to be any unexpected issues, then you'll help her figure it out. "Thank you, Mami."

"You will," Mami says. Her voice turns more business-like. "Homura, I'm sorry for talking over you. I take it you'll be staying at school to watch over our friends?"

"Yes," Homura says. "Be careful, Sabrina, Mami. If I'm needed... tell me."

"Thank you. In that case..." Mami says. "Ah, Sayaka's clones?"

"Yeah," you say. "That was the plan."

"I'll link up with her on my way, then," Mami says decisively. "Counterambush... as you finish the Witch, correct? Where are you?"

"Yup, and we're out west of the old industrial district, at, uh, the corner of-" You rattle off the address. "And yeah, counter-ambush. I left it to Kyouko's planning, and she wanted to keep it simple."

"That's the best way, yes," Mami agrees. "Alright. I'll be there in eight minutes, and I'll let you know when we arrive, Sabrina. Stay safe."

"I will," you say. "I promise."

"So, she's coming," Kyouko says, exactly as you end the call.

"Well. Yeah," you say, glancing up at her. She's still balanced on the wooden trellis, well above your eye level, so you have to tilt your head pretty far back to look at her. "Honestly, I didn't really expect to convince her otherwise, but I was hoping. She'll be here in ten minutes."

Kyouko snorts, squatting down and peering down at you, spear cradled in the crook of her arm. She stares at you for a long moment, expression unreadable.

"Well, that makes things easier for us," she says, finally. "Cool."

"And, uh, I gotta undo this clone," Sayaka says. "Sabrina, heads up?"

She tosses you her collection of power gems, and you nod at her, tucking them safely in your pocket.

"See you in a bit," Sayaka says, and unravels.

"Right," Kyouko says, eyeing the drifting cloud of mist that's all that remains of that clone. "Let's go find the Witch. Timing oughta be about right, and Mami'll let you know when she's arriving, right?"

"Yup," you agree.

"Right. Yuma, you ready?" Kyouko says, rolling her shoulders as she stands.

"Mmh!" Yuma agrees, shouldering her mace with a slightly nervous smile.

"We'll be fine, Yuma," Kyouko says, patting her shoulder reassuringly and handing her an entire chocolate bar. She sighs, producing another and tossing it into the air, catching it with the same hand as she eyes you. "Call it two minutes, and you don't bother holding back against the Witch. No more practice time when we've got trouble waiting outside."

She flips the chocolate at you, and you nearly fumble the catch, earning a scowl from her. Still, you do manage to snatch it out of the air, and shoot her a grateful smile as she pulls out a third one for herself. You take a bite, enjoying the nougat center, and... well, it's a peace offering, you think, along with those pretzels earlier.

Come to think of it.

You... hadn't seen Kyouko snacking at all this entire morning. Not until after your entire spiel about being a dork, at which point she'd started powering through an entire bucket's worth of various tidbits with Yuma. Which was probably what Sayaka was elbowing you about.

In any case, you're forced to eat at nigh-Kyouko speeds, demolishing the bar in a few bites - because it's time to go.

By silent agreement, all three of you explode into motion, Kyouko and Yuma taking off at a dead sprint with their weapons ready. Your wings billow forth at a thought, Grief drawn from hammerspace rather than contesting the Witch for it, and you take to the skies with a leap.

The walls loom large ahead of you, plasticky, half-translucent material forming what you can now see is a vast, arcing ring. Said walls are also under siege, even larger strawberries heaving themselves out of the ground on squat, quadrupedal legs and hurling themselves to splatter against the walls.

Of course, the moment you start tearing through the Familiars, the Witch reveals itself, the very terrain groaning around you as it rips itself free of the ground, tree-trunk-sized roots slamming into the ground to bear upwards a titanic, woody millipede which proceeds to bodily hurl itself at the walls in slams that echo through the entire barrier.

"We're in position, Sabrina," Mami murmurs into your mind.

As it turns out, the Witch might have been more of a fight than you'd expected, if you were still limiting yourself to using your hammer - you don't exactly have the kind of attacks that would work on something the size of a skyscraper. You catch Yuma as she's hurled in your direction by a whipping root, and then you bury the Witch in a storm of Grief blades.

You rip through the wooden flesh in a heartbeat, coring it through with just a flicker of a thought. You could have tried simply dissolving the Witch with Grief control, but you're not particularly in the mood to try and match it in control at the moment, because you have more pressing issues to get to.

The Barrier crumbles. You brace, and pull your Grief in close. Kyouko snarls, spear ready, Yuma lighting up green.

Reality shivers.

And as the Barrier fades, you have just a moment to orient yourself. Cold and humidity. Concrete underfoot, concrete overhead. The smell of oil and metal and exhaust. A carpark. Mostly empty, faded paint peeling from the walls and a hundred pillars in neat arrays all around you. Not abandoned, but not oft-used, either. The patter of rain, distant and constant.

The boom of Mami's musket.

You're moving before you finish processing the sound. Above. Ramp for cars there. Stairwell there. All too slow.

You hurl yourself backwards and out into open air and freezing rain, wings blooming wide. A single thundering beat, and you're shooting upwards. Two floors, three floors, four- there. The roof. Blossoming gold and cerulean blue.

Flaring white and ruby red.

A singular opponent, impossibly fast. Faster than almost any magical girl you've ever seen. You catch glimpses of a dress in white and red, of a high ponytail and sharp blue eyes. Fire blazes forth from her, incandescent, strobing in the colours of her costume and somehow more.

Ayase and Luca Souju. Two souls in a single body. And many, many more in her shadow, moving with her.

Mami's a blur of motion, cream and vivid gold amidst the rain as she twists and dodges, always one step ahead. Sayaka flickers in and out of existence, there and gone again with her sword in hand to threaten the Soujus. Hit and run, never lingering as fire splashes in her wake. Invisibility from Yuko. Smart.

And over it all, laughter.

"Magnificent!" the Soujus roar to the heavens. "Show me more!"

Mami's eyes flick up to meet yours, a brief flash of warmth before she's moving again. But it's enough for the Soujus to notice you, driving Mami back with a burst of flame as they whirl on the spot to stare at you with wide eyes.

A grin splits their face.

"There you are," she whispers, almost rapturous.

"I-"

And that's as far as you get before you're forced to swoop over an inferno blazing in red and white.

[X] Fight back
- [] Try to talk her down?
-- [] Write-in (word count limit: 150 words)
- [] Subdue first, talk later.


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Heh. I've honestly been looking forward to this for a while.
 
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Well then.

A singular opponent, impossibly fast. Faster than almost any magical girl you've ever seen.

It's a fight, then - not unexpected. If they're so fast, then we can't really afford to get too fancy.

Regarding that speed, I wonder if that's just how Double Stuffed meguca buffs look like, or if they're using an active Gotta Go Fast power from their gem stash.

Our primary concerns at this point are taking them down without damaging the additional souls they're carrying, either through direct damage or by letting them fill with grief.

Not gonna X it in yet, I want to see more discussion, but as an immediate vote, something like:

[ ] Keep your distance - if they get in close you could be in real danger.
-[ ] Keep the souls of their victims clear.
-[ ] Grief blades, aim to disarm. And disleg. And dishead. Put some oomph into it, they're likely tougher than a normal meguca. Even if you don't hit, you'll be an extreme distraction and give your friends openings.
 
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