Oh like I said, I'd love to do flashy. I'm just proposing the vote for the rest of us who aren't entirely on board with it. Asking the others for their opinion might give us an idea of how flashy we should try and be.

On the contrary, I don't think we should sound board every action we do. Sometimes it's just better to be bold and run with things even if there are risks. imo I think the only thing we need to stay away from is active grief. Other then that I think we'll be fine.
 
On the contrary, I don't think we should to sound board every action we do. Sometimes it's just better to be bold and run with things even if there are risks. imo I think the only thing we need to stay away from is active grief. Other then that I think we'll be fine.
Eh, fair enough. I'll leave it up for a few days, then change back if there isn't a significant number of votes on it.
 
On the contrary, I don't think we should sound board every action we do. Sometimes it's just better to be bold and run with things even if there are risks. imo I think the only thing we need to stay away from is active grief. Other then that I think we'll be fine.
I mean, unless we only want to showcase Sabrina, and leave the rest of Constilation in the dust, we're going to have to talk to them to plan out the performance. So might as well sound board it.
 
[X] Niko, you mentioned a hypothesis you were forming? Is there anything we can ask or do that will help you sort that out faster?

[x] How do you want to present yourself to the Council?
- [x] Shock and awe PRESENTATION!
 
Somebody's doing a reading of the entire thread and liking some of my old posts and I appreciate you but looking at my past self sometimes makes me uncomfortable. Old me is such a tool.

... and in 4 years this post will probably make me cringe too, but that's a future me problem.

Looking at the past couple pages looks like we got a whole new squad with a couple old vets occasionally chipping in. 'Sup y'all?
 
Somebody's doing a reading of the entire thread and liking some of my old posts and I appreciate you but looking at my past self sometimes makes me uncomfortable. He's such a tool.

... and in 4 years this post will probably make me cringe too, but that's a future me problem.

Looking at the past couple pages looks like we got a whole new squad with a couple old vets occasionally chipping in. 'Sup y'all?
Uhhh.... I'm not sure what to refer to you as for the meat analogy.

Hi?
 
It's entirely possible that Shimada and Riko were able to tap into and bring back a magical spirit that had gone dormant, through their magics or their wishes. It's also possible that their wishes created an ancient spirit thousands of years old, altering the history in between- magic has no constraints on causality, as we well know, so there's no reason that a modern wish couldn't create effects spanning a long distance into the past.
On a related note, a (somewhat) recent Magia Record event was, in fact, caused by the future daughter of two magical girls in the present, making a wish to see her own history. (And possibly cause it, I forget the details.)

I realize MagiReco isn't exactly canon to PMAS but it's still a nice example of magic just declining to care about petty things like "proper temporal order."
 
On a related note, a (somewhat) recent Magia Record event was, in fact, caused by the future daughter of two magical girls in the present, making a wish to see her own history. (And possibly cause it, I forget the details.)

I realize MagiReco isn't exactly canon to PMAS but it's still a nice example of magic just declining to care about petty things like "proper temporal order."
Well this entire quest is the result of the daughter of a magical girl in the present but also in another timeline because that timeline reset and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!
 
I do wonder what the state of the timeline(s) is like. Yeah, Homura's a timeline hopper rather than a "true" timelooper, but that might be just as much because of her low potential than anything. (And it did make it possible for multiple timelines worth of karma to be tangled around her and Madoka.) But I think Madokami affected all timelines, retroactively, in canon. Here, we know Madokami is active- paraphrasing her, she may never have wiped herself from existence to become God, but it was/is possible, so she did do so. But if that's the case, then why does the PMAS timeline still have witches?

(And on an unrelated not, are there multiple Homuras crisscrossing the the timelines? I know that's the case in Homura Tamura.)
 
People keep asserting that but I have yet to see an proof.

Which isn't saying much as I'm hardly reading 6000 pages of discussion, but...
The alien is silent for a minute as Madoka reaches forward with a handkerchief to wipe your face. Glancing at her, you can nearly see the golden eyes framed with flowing pink hair... You blink when Kyuubey replies, and the image is gone.
You did not.

Have another Things as They Could Have Been, because a rabid plotbunny attacked me.
Two individuals walk a verdant landscape under the actinic light of a dead star, hanging alone in endless void.

Stars are enormously wasteful. Hydrogen-hydrogen fusion is a potent energy source, but insufficient to last timespans best expressed in exponents of exponents, for really, what do you do with all that helium? And lithium, and so forth until you reach the break even of iron and the star poisons itself, going out with the blaze of glory of a nova or the quiet ignominy of a white dwarf.

By far a better source of energy is magic, and so, the star is truly dead. Murdered, unmourned, and its mass slowly siphoned away.

The illusion of a sun illuminates the landscape.

"Why do you want a sun, anyway?" The language is not Japanese, nor is it English.

"We have been over this before. Approximately a year ago. And I am reasonably certain that you do not actually possess brain damage." The second voice is syrupy sweet and telepathic.

"Ah. Right."

They walk along in silence for a while, soft alien plants crunching underfoot.

"It would be you, wouldn't it. Here at the end."

"I don't understand."

"Well, you won. Technically. You beat entropy, and it wasn't even that bad, or I wouldn't simply be walking beside you. The universe thrives."

"And yet we failed."

An indifferent shrug. "Can't win 'em all." A slight weariness, perhaps, a tone of voice, that lends weight to that statement.

"You exceeded all expectations, you know."

"'course I did."

"A unique circumstance."

"Aw, you do care!" The smaller form is picked up and swung around, before being met by a baroquely decorated warhammer of a style eons dead, and punted on a long arc over the lush greenery.

"I would ask whether that was necessary, but I know the answer."

"Just for old times' sake."

"Am I interrupting anything?" A new voice.

Sabrina turns. Still unchanged, after millenia, after eons, her blue eyes meet a pair of golden ones framed by long, flowing pink hair. She smiles.

"Huh. How are you here, anyway?"

Madoka shrugs sheepishly, a radiant smile lighting up her face. "I will once have erased my own Witch and myself from existence. I may will never have actually done it, but I did."

"Who are you?" Kyuubey asks.

"Kaname Madoka, I'm pleased to meet you," the goddess smiles. She bends down, holding out a hand to the Incubator. The little alien -does that word even apply any more?- inspects the white-gloved hand, and scampers up to the goddess' shoulder.

"You cannot be the Kaname Madoka of Mitakihara in my memory banks. But what does it matter?"

"Well, do I get to go to..." Sabrina rolls her wrist as she searches for the right word. "To Madokahalla?"

"You could," Madoka replies seriously. "You could also stay."

"Ah."

The wind ruffles the leaves of the alien plants surrounding the trio.

"You've already made up your mind." It's not a question.

Sabrina shrugs. "I've lived this long. Long enough for even you to know me well, apparently!"

"Will you remember us?"

A melancholy smirk, and a small shake of her head. "I remember everyone." Looking at the goddess, Sabrina asks, "Will I be seeing you?"

Madoka shakes her head. "You could come with me."

A slow exhale. "Tell them I miss 'em."

"OK." A sad smile, and the goddess engulfs the girl in a hug. "Goodbye, Sabrina."

"Goodbye, Madoka."
Very first post, and an official Sidestory by Firn. About as good as we're going to get, until we get to to mere esoteric stuff in-story.
 
Very first post, and an official Sidestory by Firn. About as good as we're going to get, until we get to to mere esoteric stuff in-story.
Wouldn't count the former as even evidence because heavy damage, but yea the latter is pretty clear cut... if one assumes she didn't contract in that version of the timeline we are in.
 
Wouldn't count the former as even evidence because heavy damage, but yea the latter is pretty clear cut... if one assumes she didn't contract in that version of the timeline we are in.

Kyubey explicitly says that Madokami can't be "the Kaname Madoka" it remembers, which strongly implies that in that side story Madoka never contracted.
 
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