Lmao everybody speculating about powers and I'm just sitting here like "I do not care, who is she personally"
It's a curiosity, but you're probably right in that it probably won't be affecting this meeting.

Although, my main thing for trying to find out about how it works is I would like to know how best she might try to fuck with us if her intentions are less than friendly .
 
Except we don't know that such a thing is even possible.

Thoughts are very complicated, reading them might very well require precision.

A hand granade doesn't need to see you behind your cover, but good luck having a surgeon do his job the same way.
 
Sayaka's thing isn't literally Hexproof, it's invisibility, which should interfere with reading minds whether you're reading one at a time or a whole area. Now, editing minds indiscriminately could bypass it, which is why we've got other defenses instead of relying on Sayaka, but if mind invisibility doesn't interfere with pulling information from minds then it's not really doing its job.
 
Sayaka's thing isn't literally Hexproof, it's invisibility, which should interfere with reading minds whether you're reading one at a time or a whole area. Now, editing minds indiscriminately could bypass it, which is why we've got other defenses instead of relying on Sayaka, but if mind invisibility doesn't interfere with pulling information from minds then it's not really doing its job.
We don't actually know that though. The intent of the enchantment is "Mental Invisibility" but that just means that her mind does not show up to those scanning for minds. That could work like Hexproof does, preventing targeting, but falling victim to area-based effects that draw on all minds regardless of whether they can be perceived.

My point is, we cannot be sure. I am presenting one theory. It's not the most likely theory, but it's one possibility.
 
I'm curious about the implications of the fact that she didn't address Madoka and Hitomi who were on the line or Oriko who was scrying us as part of her power play. It could be that she's got some manner of omniscience limited to Tokyo's borders and couldn't detect them since they weren't physically present.

On the other hand, she may well have detected them and deliberately chosen not to mention that knowledge. Whether that's because she wants us to underestimate how effective her information gathering abilities are or because she considers it bad form to imply a threat against people who've been deliberately kept out of harm's way would be unclear. If she's particularly well informed about what happened with Iowa, she could recognize that we react extremely strongly to scrying on Mitakihara and is trying to avoid us responding to her like we did to them.
 
I'm curious about the implications of the fact that she didn't address Madoka and Hitomi who were on the line or Oriko who was scrying us as part of her power play. It could be that she's got some manner of omniscience limited to Tokyo's borders and couldn't detect them since they weren't physically present.

On the other hand, she may well have detected them and deliberately chosen not to mention that knowledge. Whether that's because she wants us to underestimate how effective her information gathering abilities are or because she considers it bad form to imply a threat against people who've been deliberately kept out of harm's way would be unclear. If she's particularly well informed about what happened with Iowa, she could recognize that we react extremely strongly to scrying on Mitakihara and is trying to avoid us responding to her like we did to them.
It would be pretty funny if it turns out she just has someone looking us all up on social media.

Like, most of our group are all teenagers. They may not have the time to post on social media now that they're magical girls, but most of them probably had some kind of social media before they became magical girls and I doubt they would have bothered to delete their accounts. It's possible that she just has someone who's really good at looking people up and she's guessing who the rest are (Sabrina, for example) based on context.

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What sites were popular at this point in time? Was Facebook a thing yet?
 
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It would be pretty funny if it turns out she just has someone looking us all up on social media.

Like, most of our group are all teenagers. They may not have the time to post on social media now that they're magical girls, but most of them probably had some kind of social media before they became magical girls and I doubt they would have bothered to delete their accounts. It's possible that she just has someone who's really good at looking people up and she's guessing who the rest are (Sabrina, for example) based on context.

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What sites were popular at this point in time? Was Facebook a thing yet?
How the hell would that work? It's not like you can look at someone's social media and say 'yep, that's a magical girl'. Kyuubey explicitly prevents such things.

The only way I can see this method working is if she looked at the social media of the entire Japanese population in the age range typical of meguca, somehow memorized the names and faces of each girl, then when she see's our group, match the remembered name to the face she saw on social media. Which is a greater amount of mental processing power than I care to imagine.
 
How the hell would that work? It's not like you can look at someone's social media and say 'yep, that's a magical girl'. Kyuubey explicitly prevents such things.

The only way I can see this method working is if she looked at the social media of the entire Japanese population in the age range typical of meguca, somehow memorized the names and faces of each girl, then when she see's our group, match the remembered name to the face she saw on social media. Which is a greater amount of mental processing power than I care to imagine.
...grudging counterpoint -- Mami is well-known in meguca circles. It would be comparatively trivial to check social media for her school for rumors, and brush up on the information thus gleaned right before a meeting. Of course, that would only even potentially help for some of the group.

More likely, if it's mundane information gathering, then it's that they steadily gather information on other magical girl groups across Japan and keep up-to-date records. After all, they have all of Tokyo's meguca population as a means by which to passively gather information in the course of ordinary events. It's not like Tokyo is a hermit-society, after all.
 
Right, back to intrigue, headaches and a lot of overthinking:

"Miss Vee, it's a pleasure to meet you," most-likely-Toshimichi says, her voice cutting through the distant rumble of Tokyo with effortless ease. She sounds like she means it too, warmly sincere as she inclines her head to you, her hands tucked into her voluminous sleeves. "And your companions. Miss Tomoe, Miss Miki, Miss Kazusa..."

This strikes me as being very rude. She didn't give us an opportunity to introduce ourselves, on our terms, and forced us to ask her to introduce herself. She's saying "I'm in control here, I dictate the conversation. You have no secrets from me, but must beg for answers."

Now that could be for several reasons; she could be leaning hard into her heritage, or maybe she's wary of us, or maybe she's showing off, or maybe she's just not used to talking to people who consider themselves her equal.

It strikes me as too rehearsed to be a mistake or a spur of the moment thing though. She came at this meeting with the intent to "attack" first, and keep us off balance.

But, notably, she wasn't hostile. She was genuine in her welcome. Sincere.

One thing I wonder, is how she would have addressed Homura if she were here. Homura, after all, gave her name in the wrong order to Nadia. If Toshimichi had gotten it wrong, we would have known who her primary source was, but if she'd gotten it right, we'd know she had other sources available to her.

"Oh, no thanks are necessary," Toshimichi says. "Even setting aside policy of free passage for other mages and prospectives, for visitors as notable as the Constellation, a personal meeting seems the least I could do."

I've talked about the "other mages" thing in a comment above, and the "I know who you are thing" is just repetition at this point, but I want to quickly touch upon the "personal meeting" bit. She's implying that she's busy and that she has people to meet guests on her behalf, but we're important enough for her to discard and skip past all of that. A mix of flattery whilst also implying her own, higher status—that she is equal to the Constellation as a whole, maybe? That she'd normally delegate this to someone lesser—a courtier of some description, if this was a traditional fantasy setting. Again, leaning hard into the "nobility" thing.

her gaze settling once more on you. "Not to mention Miss Vee's capabilities."
"It is my duty," Toshimichi says serenely, with a touch of pride in her voice. And yet when she speaks again, there's that tug of insistent curiosity. "I wonder, what drives you, Miss Vee?"

I think she exposes herself here—she can't read us, and she's directly probing for information. What drives us, what motivates us—it's the angle she can't figure out.

That, or she's testing us, making sure that we are saying what she thinks we'll say, making sure we're keeping consistent. By forcing us to explain ourselves, that'll make it harder in the negotiations to demand things that stray to far from our stated ideals; indeed, she could be looking for something to attack us with later "You say you want to help people, but this concession only helps you/hurts us/benefits nobody." That'll probably wont happen because we're genuine, but she did force us to expose what our bargaining position was before we met at the negotiation table, and she hasn't yet admitted to anything she wants from us.


Conclusion: She's cautious of us, and intercepted us in order to extract information from us so she and her allies can be prepared to haggle and negotiate with us. It was a delaying tactic, and they are probably discussing what we revealed right now, similar to how we are conferring with Madoka and Hitomi. She's also not as all-knowing as she presented herself as. She likes to feel like—or at least, present herself as if—she's in control.

But... I don't think she's a bad person. She was pleased at Sabrina's compliment, and genuinely so at that. Saving lives and helping people is important to her, even if it's just a "duty" to her. She was genuine in her welcome. Assertive and controlling, yes, but not unkind.

I think if we can find a way to surprise or shock her, we'll break her control of the conversation, put her on the back foot and be able to get some answers from her. The problem is that I don't see a reason to do that at this point in time, nor can I think of something that would actually surprise her. She (roughly) knows of our abilities, our mission and our allies. There's not a lot of cards up our sleeves after all of that, and we don't know how many decks Toshimichi Akane is carrying.



Also, try to think of what Sabrina looks like from the other side. Grief controllers are the big bad boogeymen of the magical girl world. Then a war starts practically on your doorstep, but before anyone can get involved, it's resolved by a brand new, never heard of before grief controller who took down two magical girl teams, including a famous mercenary group who made their reputation on taking down a grief controller—and the only casualties were three civilians killed by the other sides rampage. Then you find out the grief controller is working with Tomoe Mami, a powerful, idealistic and reclusive magical girl. Then the mercenaries form an alliance with the grief controller, followed by the large, if isolated, Asunaro group, along with a handful of powerful independents. Now she's coming to Tokyo, but not before taking down one of the most feared raider teams in the world in under an hour, forging her band in the flames of conflict.

Meanwhile, everyone who meets her claims she wants to "help".

Honestly, Chiyoda Quest have probably been making "Dark Lord Sabrina" memes for a while now.

On a more serious note, they might be worried that Sabrina plans to take control and rule Tokyo to impose her "help" onto people. Which is explicitly not our plan, but we do have the powers and the allies to attempt it.
 
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How the hell would that work? It's not like you can look at someone's social media and say 'yep, that's a magical girl'. Kyuubey explicitly prevents such things.

The only way I can see this method working is if she looked at the social media of the entire Japanese population in the age range typical of meguca, somehow memorized the names and faces of each girl, then when she see's our group, match the remembered name to the face she saw on social media. Which is a greater amount of mental processing power than I care to imagine.
I mean just have someone sitting somewhere right now with a telescope and a laptop, and look us up like that. Might require some kind of power similar in theme to hackerguca's, but I suppose a memory-related power could work too, for just memorizing tons of names/faces from school yearbooks.
 
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I mean just have someone sitting somewhere right now with a telescope and a laptop, and look us up like that. Might require some kind of power similar in theme to hackerguca's, but I suppose a memory-related power could work too, for just memorizing tons of names/faces from school yearbooks.
Oh, right, MAGIC.

Forgive me for using normal logic in conjunction with magic.
 
So, it's been literal, actual years since I last read this. I'm gonna sit down and do a reread of this whole quest soon-which is probably gonna take a couple of weeks-but before that, a few quick questions. Have we sat down with Homura yet and broke her the news that she's the reason Madoka has such absurd potential? Have we kissed Mami yet? Do we have familiars yet? Are we sure we're not a Witch?

Now, I'm off to go read over a million words of OP brain damage.
 
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