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[X] "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
[X]"I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
[X]"Besides, I have been shown a lot of kindness by people I didn't even know. Shouldn't I do the same?"

I think that third line is a good addition, because it offers an explanation for why we are trying specifically to protect the rest of the main cast (because they took us in/befriended us), and is a motivation Kyouko would probably relate to somewhat more than "because I don't know what else to do." After all, she doesn't really have any 'purpose' to her life, but despite what she may say does care about at least some others.
 
So wait does Kyoko know about witching out, or does she think witches only come from familiars?

I've always kind of wondered what people who don't know thought happens to magical girls who fail to keep their soul gem clear.
 
Random832 said:
I've always kind of wondered what people who don't know thought happens to magical girls who fail to keep their soul gem clear.
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Because you think most wide-eyed teenagers actually think about that? Most of them don't even think about the immediate threat a Witch can pose, so...
(IMO, they probably think that the thing is like a magic battery or something; nothing really happens if it is "discharged"; just can't use magic until "recharging" it).
 
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NotAlwaysFanfic said:
edited my vote to match Ugo's. Also, later on, we can argue with Kyoko about how any motivation is, inherently, selfish.
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I find this logic terribly nonsensical. I mean the existence of the word selfish itself defies that theory. If all motivations were selfish then its meaning would be included in the various motivation words already. The existence of such words selfish and selfless defines that there is a distinction.

It's like arguing that everything you do is meant to aid reproduction: it's possible to do so by horrible contortions of logic but ultimately at best irrelevant and more likely false entirely.
 
inverted_helix said:
I find this logic terribly nonsensical. I mean the existence of the word selfish itself defies that theory. If all motivations were selfish then its meaning would be included in the various motivation words already. The existence of such words selfish and selfless defines that there is a distinction.

It's like arguing that everything you do is meant to aid reproduction: it's possible to do so by horrible contortions of logic but ultimately at best irrelevant and more likely false entirely.
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Eh. To borrow an argument from elsewhere, it's a theme of PMMM that a disconnect between what you wish for and what you personally want will always cause trouble- so in the sense that "making a 'selfless' wish for selfish reasons is a bad idea". that's kind of true- Madoka's wish was the exception that proves the rule.
 
Both Mami and Madoka wished for what they really wanted. Neither of them got bit in the ass by their wish.
 
ImmortalsBlade said:
Mami has a deep seated regret that she didn't save her parents with her wish and Madoka's literally the exception to the rule.
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That depends on what the rule is, isn't it? If the rule is "wish for what you really want, or things will go to shit for you" then Madoka's wish is no exception at all.

And Mami's deep seated regret is frankly not as bad as Sayaka's breakdown. Further, Kyoko's wish didn't backfire on her any more than any wish would have backfired on her, given that she was selling her soul to demons for magical powers (in her father's view of things).
 
[x] "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
[x]"I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
 
Aranfan said:
That depends on what the rule is, isn't it? If the rule is "wish for what you really want, or things will go to shit for you" then Madoka's wish is no exception at all.

And Mami's deep seated regret is frankly not as bad as Sayaka's breakdown.
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And she's not horribly lonely at all. Or traumatized. That's why she totally didn't lose her shit in the timeline where she realized that the only thing keeping her sane was a sham.

Further, Kyoko's wish didn't backfire on her any more than any wish would have backfired on her, given that she was selling her soul to demons for magical powers (in her father's view of things).
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha man it's totally not because she was mindcontrolling people and the thing that was making him happy was also a sham.

do u even meguca?
 
Aranfan said:
And Mami's deep seated regret is frankly not as bad as Sayaka's breakdown. Further, Kyoko's wish didn't backfire on her any more than any wish would have backfired on her, given that she was selling her soul to demons for magical powers (in her father's view of things).
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Not sure where I stand on the argument, but I will point out that if Kyouko had wished to 'live happily with her family,' it's likely that the wish would have altered her father's reaction to finding out she was a meguca, because him getting drunk and turning into a wife beater would not have been a happy life.
 
Aranfan said:
Further, Kyoko's wish didn't backfire on her any more than any wish would have backfired on her, given that she was selling her soul to demons for magical powers (in her father's view of things).
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Kyouko sold her soul to a devil to give him a voice that people would be compelled to listen to. He thought people were coming into his church to hear his message of love and peace, and in reality they were just brainwashed. If, for example, she'd made a wish for cake, he wouldn't have had nearly as bad a reaction as when he found out and the foundation of his faith was ripped out from under him. He'd still be angry and upset, but at least his family would have had cake, when before they had nothing. It was the horror of his own voice being used to 'demonic' purposes. (at least that's my theory)
 
TheOneMoiderah said:
And she's not horribly lonely at all. Or traumatized. That's why she totally didn't lose her shit in the timeline where she realized that the only thing keeping her sane was a sham.
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I didn't say that. I said it wasn't as bad as Sayaka, which is not a hard bar to hop.

Edit: And yes, Mami is more stable than Sayaka.

TheOneMoiderah said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha man it's totally not because she was mindcontrolling people and the thing that was making him happy was also a sham.

do u even meguca?
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Okay, yeah, the "all my success comes from the devil" probably played a major part in Rev Sakura's breakdown.

Edit: The point is still that Kyoko's wish backfiring has more to do with her father being a priest, than the specifics of her wish.
 
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Crossed out the votes that were from last update; tell me if I messed up please.

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[x] She can take the grief seed on the ground, we have no need for them.
[x] Yuma
[x]I guess you two have a lot to talk about, but...
-[x] Offer to treat them to lunch
-[x]If not, say goodbye. Tell them where we'll be, and that we'd always be willing to cleanse or help them if they need it.
No. of votes: 3
Shadowward, jacobplm, Lord K

[X] Our wish was meant to help magical girls, to reduce the violence, the lethality, and the futility. The power we gained can end the need to compete over limited resources. Without the need to compete for limited resources magical girls could work together to have happier, longer lives. That was the greatest wish from the depths of our heart, helping them is only natural.
[X] It may be naive, but don't you want a better life than living on the edge of death every day? Don't you want something better than that for Yuma? Working together would make life safer, better for everyone. We sold our soul for that ideal, don't you dare doubt our conviction.
No. of votes: 2
inverted_helix, UberJJK

[X] The truth is... I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me.
No. of votes: 3
Schwer-Muta, celdak, ImmortalsBlade

[x] Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know.
[x]I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me.
No. of votes: 7
Loops, NephyrisX, Muramasa, NotAlwaysFanfic, Dirtnap, Ugolino, Choo Choo

[x] Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know.
[x] I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me.
No. of votes: 5
Sightedjt, Conjured Blade, qsurf, LanceGT0, MrLZRS

[x] *Uncomprehending stare*
[x] You're fine with me breaking every law of magic, physics and common sense to help out a complete stranger, but buying you lunch afterwards is weird?
[x] I don't even know where to start. Would you believe me if I said I was just a nice person?
No. of votes: 1
FlatlineAskari

[X] Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know.
[X]I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me.
[X]Besides, I have been shown a lot of kindness by people I didn't even know. Shouldn't I do the same?
No. of votes: 1
Dessard
 
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And she's not horribly lonely at all. Or traumatized. That's why she totally didn't lose her shit in the timeline where she realized that the only thing keeping her sane was a sham.
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She didn't react quite as badly in the Oriko timeline though, if I remember correctly. I think the fandom tends to exaggerate how unstable she is. She's not that stable, but she isn't always going to shoot everyone the moment she finds out either.
 
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Entanglement pt. 28
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    • You snort, looking incredulously at Kyouko. "So I break, I dunno, all the damn laws of physics, magic, and common sense to help a random magical girl I don't know, and you draw the line at lunch?" The redhead opens her mouth to retort, but you steamroller over her.

    "Straw that broke the camel's back? Whatever. Look. I woke up in an alley two, count them, two days ago with no information in my head other than about the whole magical system. Trust me when I say I know exactly how much it sucks, 'dog eat dog', 'food chain', yadda yadda. I don't know I how or wgt I know, or why it's the only things I know; I must have known a hell of a magical girl or something," you say, more than a shade of annoyance bleeding into your voice.

    "Yeah, good for you, you've got a sob story of your own." Kyouko begins, bristling. Yuma's long since ducked behind Kyouko, hiding from the brewing confrontation. "There's nobody that fuckin' nice, and you are tryin' t' butter me up for something."

    You rake your fingers through your hair in frustration. "When I say I woke up in an alley two days ago with next to nothing in my head I mean I woke up in an alley with next to nothing in my head. I don't bloody well know what to do with myself."

    "An' what, you go 'round helping' everyone you come across, like some kinda some modern day Mother Theresa?" Kyouko snaps. "Lemme tell you, there's no grand prize for 'being a nice person'!"

    "Yes!" you exclaim. "My powers let me help magical girls, so why the hell not? It's as good as bloody well any purpose, seeing as I don't have one!"

    A quiet, shaking voice cuts in as Kyouko stares at you in what seems to be stark disbelief. "Yuma t-thinks Kyouko is a nice person."

    Eventually, Kyouko moves, covering her face with her palm. "Oh my god, you're one of those," she mutters into her hand, before, slightly louder, "Good for you. Listen, if you say you knew a magical girl, then-"

    "Yeah, yeah, every girl out for herself, whatever. I've heard the spiel before. Except that I can afford to not care, because hey, do I need to say it again? Magic," you explain with a touch of asperity.

    Kyouko, just lifting her face from her palm, returns it with a loud smack. "Oh my god, you... you are... I don't even know. OK, whatever. You serious about that lunch offer? I still reckon you've got some kind of agenda, but I'll hear you out. An' I can't really turn down a free lunch if you're offering. But either way, scram for a bit, I need to have words with Yuma."

    You don't think she believes you fully about simply being a nice person, but at least she's willing to give you a chance.

    [] Sure.
    - [] You still have that packed lunch you prepared this morning. What do?
    [] Sorry, offer's expired.
    [] Write-in

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    What, did you think the occasional 'typing on the phone is suffering' notes were for fun? And it's not like I have much else to do while on the bus and stuff.

    Also, write in meal time conversation/what to do next, as appropriate.
     
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