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Conjured Blade said:
We can couch it in self-serving terms/symbiotic terms though without being completely untruthful. Homura was able to work with Kyoko by couching it in terms of a business transaction if I recall canon correctly. Help me with Walpurgisnacht and Mami's former territory is yours.
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Except that the Homu approach was...less than completely successful and we're not in the right position/talking to the right Kyouko for that anyway.
 
[X] "The truth is... I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."

I like it because well, it fits. Sabrina has no idea what she wants to do in life other than prevent all the horrible shit from happening. And what's Kyouko supposed to say to "I don't know what I'm supposed to do in life now so I'm basically hoping someone else finds a use for me." anyways?
 
[x] "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
[x]"I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."


Added to muta's vote.
Edited per Ugo.
 
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Perhaps we can add on that we are looking for friends as well?

I mean, we literally have zero social life when we first woke up and only have very few known acquaintances in Mitakihara so we could give an excuse that we don't want to get attacked by her when we come by or something.
 
NephyrisX said:
Perhaps we can add on that we are looking for friends as well?

I mean, we literally have zero social life when we first woke up and only have very few known acquaintances in Mitakihara so we could give an excuse that we don't want to get attacked by her when we come by or something.
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Eh, Kyouko can connect the dots, and Loops' vote says what needs to be said. Let's not overdo it again.
 
[x] "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
[x] "I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
 
[X] Loops

We are probably get called out for being a naive retard, but at least it's better than being treated with hostile suspicion and all.
 
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We kind of are a naive retard. We have no life experience outside of meguca info, and were damn lucky that we had some information that let us get accepted and taken in quickly by the canon cast. And any good reason for why we want to be selfless is a reason besides "We want to recruit you for a suicide mission, bring your new little sister."
 
Loops said:
We kind of are a naive retard. We have no life experience outside of meguca info, and were damn lucky that we had some information that let us get accepted and taken in quickly by the canon cast. And any good reason for why we want to be selfless is a reason besides "We want to recruit you for a suicide mission, bring your new little sister."
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Point conceded.

[x] "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
[x] "I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
 
[x] "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
[x]"I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."

Whoo boy. Went to bed too early apparently.
 
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[x] "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
[x] "I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
 
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[x] "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
[x] "I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
 
[x] *Uncomprehending stare*
[x] "You're fine with me breaking every law of magic, physics and common sense to help out a complete stranger, but buying you lunch afterwards is weird?"
[x] "I don't even know where to start. Would you believe me if I said I was just a nice person?"
 
[x] "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
[x] "I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
 
[x] "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
[x]"I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
 
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[x] "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
[x] "I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
 
FlatlineAskari said:
This is a point. Out of all the possible phrasings, we did wish explicitly for control.
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Hell, even helping people can be selfish. Have you never wanted someone to be happy because seeing them happy makes you happy?

Not sure how to say it but I want everyone to be happy because it's pleasing to me. It's very selfish. Or maybe it isn't if you do it at your own expense? Fuck it, it can be both. Selfishly selfless, selflessly selfish. I could use that as a slogan for something.
 
Look, this may be stretching the definition of conceding, but I've realized something. We left out details of the fact we were on the verge of death. Who's to say Kyoko doesn't call us on the fact we were stupid enough to contract with full knowledge of what it entailed? Which might mean going into our wish. If we were the Saint/Martyr/Professional Altruist/pick your term for what we want to portray ourselves as, why would we wish for personal power on the verge of death? Which would mean something about the wish is incredibly important to us. Worst case scenario, this could lead to the inference that Grief Seeds are literally necessary for the continued survival of Mahou Shoujo. Not saying my previous vote is any better in that regard.


The best answer I can come up with for that is analogous to the reason Dresden picked up Lasciel's coin. To keep one of Michael's children from picking it up. After all, Sayaka and Madoka don't know enough to optimize a wish properly, right?
 
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Conjured Blade said:
Look, this may be stretching the definition of conceding, but I've realized something. We left out details of the fact we were on the verge of death. Who's to say Kyoko doesn't call us on the fact we were stupid enough to contract with full knowledge of what it entailed? Which might mean going into our wish. If we were the Saint/Martyr/Professional Altruist/pick your term for what we want to portray ourselves as, why would we wish for personal power on the verge of death? Which would mean something about the wish is incredibly important to us. Worst case scenario, this could lead to the inference that Grief Seeds are literally necessary for the continued survival of Mahou Shoujo. Not saying my previous vote is any better in that regard.


The best answer I can come up with for that is analogous to the reason Dresden picked up Lasciel's coin. To keep one of Michael's children from picking it up. After all, Sayaka and Madoka don't know enough to optimize a wish properly, right?
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This is all fair. However, Firn will write dialogue based on what the thread discusses and I have no doubt that Kyouko will ask "if you knew what you were getting into, why'd you do it?!" to which Sabrina will reply "well, the other option was to let a bystander contract or die myself". To be safe though, we could add a line in there to that effect.

And I don't think we're trying to become a professional saint or whatever. We're telling her we're trying to make things better because we literally have no other ideas about what to do. We're clueless and new, not manipulative! ;)
 
Lilithium said:
But our wish can easily be seen as selfish.
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And we can quite honestly admit to wanting to get on with the others and not wanting to die if called on it? Think the "Why not, if I can't help myself?" needs to go, then?

Edited vote already; this work for anyone else?

[x] "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
[x]"I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
 
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edited my vote to match Ugo's. Also, later on, we can argue with Kyoko about how any motivation is, inherently, selfish.
 
Edited mine as well. The wish was selfish, there's no doubt about that. I mean, it also definitely helps other people, but we made it with the intent of getting power to do stuff (and survive).
 
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