Why would saying that be a bad thing?
We literally sold our soul so that we could reduce the hardship of being a magical girl. Baring our wish to her is a rather large deal, and I think that it's our best option here.
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We literally sold our soul so that we could reduce the hardship of being a magical girl. Baring our wish to her is a rather large deal, and I think that it's our best option here.
Kyouko has a thing about selfless wishes. Its why she gave Sayaka such a hard time.
The disdain she has for selfless wishes is easier to work with than the suspicion she holds us in now. She understands it.
OctarineShrike
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[x]The more people I can cleanse, the more grief I have to work with in a fight. Besides my concerns about Oriko, Walpurgisnacht is coming. I would see it defeated with as few new contractors as possible.
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Couldn't we give a selfish spin to our wish (effective immortality, since death by despair/corruption is basically made obsolete to us, as is the whole meguca business - no need to kill witches nor acquire Grief Seeds by other means; the only way to be killed would be direct attack to the Soul Gem), with the selfless part as a side effect? (can relieve others of their Grief too)
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...Let me try and look for the hidden trap in that suggestion before I get back to you on that.
If we do go for the selfishness angle, "we want to be useful to everyone/stay alive" would be it.
Schwer-Muta
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To be fair, "Oh, she's some sort of hero wannabe idiot" is still a better impression than "Trying to butter me up for... something. Nothing good, probably."
More like "we're going around helping because we've got nothing better to do with our time, wished to make it possible, and want Best Ends all around...Okay, you don't believe that...I got nothing, have a warning about incoming walpurgisnight, maybe you'll believe we're trying to recruit you for it or something I dunno".
The issue here is that any lie is either going to actively work against us or be too hard to keep consistent later compared with the actual, literal truth. There's no real point in hiding our basic motivation at this point, just a question of presentation. "Naive moron" isn't the worst way to end this conversation.
The issue here is that any lie is either going to actively work against us or be too hard to keep consistent later compared with the actual, literal truth. There's no real point in hiding our basic motivation at this point, just a question of presentation. "Naive moron" isn't the worst way to end this conversation.
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OctarineShrike
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(2) - Our wish was meant to help magical girls, to reduce the violence, the lethality, and the futility. The power we gained can end the need to compete over limited resources. Without the need to compete for limited resources magical girls could work together to have happier, longer lives. That was the greatest wish from the depths of our heart, helping them is only natural.
- It may be naive, but don't you want a better life than living on the edge of death every day? Don't you want something better than that for Yuma? Working together would make life safer, better for everyone. We sold our soul for that ideal, don't you dare doubt our conviction.
Voters: Inverted Helix, UberJJK
(5)- "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
-"I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
Voters: Loops, SightedJT, NephyrisX, Conjured Blade, Muramasa
(4)"The truth is... I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
Voters - Ugolino, Schwer-Muta, Celdak, ImmortalsBlade
(2) - Our wish was meant to help magical girls, to reduce the violence, the lethality, and the futility. The power we gained can end the need to compete over limited resources. Without the need to compete for limited resources magical girls could work together to have happier, longer lives. That was the greatest wish from the depths of our heart, helping them is only natural.
- It may be naive, but don't you want a better life than living on the edge of death every day? Don't you want something better than that for Yuma? Working together would make life safer, better for everyone. We sold our soul for that ideal, don't you dare doubt our conviction.
Voters: Inverted Helix, UberJJK
(5)- "Look, I woke up in an alley two days ago with no information in my head but that of witches and the magical girl system. I know how much it sucks, and what magical girls have to do to survive. I don't know why I know."
-"I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
Voters: Loops, SightedJT, NephyrisX, Conjured Blade, Muramasa
(4)"The truth is... I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
Voters - Ugolino, Schwer-Muta, Celdak, ImmortalsBlade
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Schwer-Muta
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Not really satisfied with this, but eh.
[X] "The truth is... I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
[X] "The truth is... I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
Meh I don't like that one, it doesn't set down the groundwork for roping them into a team with us eventually like the others do. It's less direct, less strong, it seems wishy washy and insincere. It's not really true either, and if you're going to lie might as well do a more believable lie.
Also I don't really understand what is supposed to be meant by "Why not, if I can't help myself? " I mean our powers work perfectly well on ourself. So we can definitely help ourself.
Also I don't really understand what is supposed to be meant by "Why not, if I can't help myself? " I mean our powers work perfectly well on ourself. So we can definitely help ourself.
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The first part's pretty much just "Yeah, the quest wants a good ending for everyone and Sabrina's got no real motivation beyond that right now." So it's more or less true.
OctarineShrike
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Kyoko can figure out we're really that altruistic later. Continuing with the snowing them with altruism game is just going to get her to call BS. We need at least a partially self serving explanation. Let her think she's figured out our game when it goes deeper.
Honestly our motivation right now seems to be: run around in terror trying to figure out what Oriko is up to while trying not to cause Kirika to beat us to death with our own spine.
Also we're helping magical girls because we wished for the power to help them specifically. It's not coincidental.
Schwer-Muta
A Shy Arrogance
I suppose it helps us in the sense that breathing helps us put oxygen in our lungs. But sucking grief out of our own Soul Gem isn't any more a purpose than drinking water. Helping others is an entirely different rung on the hierarchy of needs than our continued survival, and as a blank slate there's not much in way of alternatives to fill that void.
Also, I thought something a little less certain, a little less noble would be less likely to degrade into a shouting match/actual combat. Framing it as someone's who kind of lost in life is less likely to blow up than grand heroic speeches that directly attack her worldview.
OctarineShrike
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That is entirely a wish to help magical girls. Grief doesn't really affect normal humans, and we could have wished for total absolute immortality with no drawbacks to be immune to our own grief and get a whole lot more besides.
The point behind the wish was to be able to disrupt the witch cycle at the very least for the main characters.
Or
1. I don't want to witch out
2.I want to break the system of "You need more grief seeds"
3. I want to kill Witches and maybe try to reverse it at some point
Seems to fit just fine with "lol help everyone, oh god how do I do that" and what we told Homura- which is the character motivation to date as I see it. Though we did apparently did consider Plan: Kill Everyone With Cthulhu because the character realized just how screwed they were.
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celdak
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[x]"The truth is... I don't really know what else to do with myself. I don't know what I personally want to do, or have, or be. So I'm just trying to help other people, and my powers let me help Magical Girls. Why not, if I can't help myself? It seemed like a pretty good purpose to me."
[X] Our wish was meant to help magical girls, to reduce the violence, the lethality, and the futility. The power we gained can end the need to compete over limited resources. Without the need to compete for limited resources magical girls could work together to have happier, longer lives. That was the greatest wish from the depths of our heart, helping them is only natural.
[X] It may be naive, but don't you want a better life than living on the edge of death every day? Don't you want something better than that for Yuma? Working together would make life safer, better for everyone. We sold our soul for that ideal, don't you dare doubt our conviction.
I like it. Much better then the other write-ins.
[X] It may be naive, but don't you want a better life than living on the edge of death every day? Don't you want something better than that for Yuma? Working together would make life safer, better for everyone. We sold our soul for that ideal, don't you dare doubt our conviction.
I like it. Much better then the other write-ins.
OctarineShrike
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Or
1. I don't want to witch out
2.I want to break the system of "You need more grief seeds"
3. I want to kill Witches and maybe try to reverse it at some point
Seems to fit just fine with "lol help everyone, oh god how do I do that" and what we told Homura- which is the character motivation to date as I see it. Though we did apparently did consider Plan: Kill Everyone With Cthulhu because the character realized just how screwed they were.
We can couch it in self-serving terms/symbiotic terms though without being completely untruthful. Homura was able to work with Kyoko by couching it in terms of a business transaction if I recall canon correctly. Help me with Walpurgisnacht and Mami's former territory is yours.
Our time is finite. We cannot be everywhere and while we are a game changer, we are a very localized one. We cannot cause a singularity singlehandedly.
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