I'm gonna be honest, I pretty well like that abeyance vote. I'd rather involve Homura in the planning convos than sic her on enchanting atm, I think -- let's focus on knocking out Iowa before turning our attention to other issues?

It, uh-- something I want everyone to keep in mind is that when we open these avenues of self improvement to Homura she is going to be able to pursue them on her own time. She has a clear seed and Sabrina and a lot of hours in a day. She's going to be able to go at this stuff with complete abandon and she is going to make progress really, really fast offscreen. Her motivation is -- she is Akemi Homura, her motivation is transcendent. She's not going to quit when we do, she's going to sink her teeth in and just keep going.

So... yeah unless something changes I guess?

[X] Hug Kirika
[X] Vote in abeyance
 
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Everybody acknowledging that Oriko tried, but went the wrong way about it is heartwarming. Oriko acknowledging that is progress.

Mami telling her fellow ojou to be more mindful of her girlfriend is also great. There has to be a double date in this quest at some point.
 
Mami telling her fellow ojou to be more mindful of her girlfriend is also great. There has to be a double date in this quest at some point.

It's just that now that Mami found herself a girlfriend, she's been steadily growing into an even bigger shipper than us.

We've created a monster. A very huggable, very swag monster.
 
Akemi Homura is Power without Wisdom. "The Fool", who walks endlessly and pointlessly through the loops, holding the Power to save the Light of her Life but without the Wisdom to use it correctly; indeed, without even the Wisdom to learn how to use it correctly. Infinite roads to victory lie open to her, but she sees none of them, for she is not Wise. Uncertainty and fear are in her every act, for looking about her, she can never comprehend what results her potential actions might have. She comes to view herself as inherently good-for-nothing, for she has exhausted every idea she has ever thought promising as a method of accomplishing the only task that matters, and lacks any notion of how to change herself in order to find more. Helpless, hapless, denied by her lack of wisdom the agency that she was so certain she would gain through her wish for power, she drifts through time without even hope left to her.

Nitpick: Power without Wisdom is the Magician, reversed. The Fool is Unrealized Potential, and possibly Lack of Direction. Which, granted, fits her too, especially if the Fool is reversed too to take out the element of Succeeds Anyway due to Dumb Luck and replace it with Lack of Self-Awareness.

Also fitting for Homura could be the Priestess, reversed (Lack of Intuition, Wisdom, and Magic), the Hermit, reversed (Loneliness, possibly Lack of Knowledge), the Wheel of Fortune, reversed (Inevitability, Bad Luck), the Hanged Man, reversed (Pointless Self-Sacrifice), Temperance, reversed (Obsession), the Devil, possibly reversed (Fear, Being Trapped), possibly the Tower (Catastrophe), and possibly the Sun, reversed (Unhappiness, Fatalism, Lack of Success),
 
Homura's attention snaps up, glaring at Sayaka, to which the bluenette only responds with a sunny grin rivalling one of yours.

"Thought that might get your attention," she says. "Yeah, so... listen. I'm pretty sure I'm missing more than half the story here, but uh... just talking about those. I mean, I guess Sabrina kind of said it already, but putting your life in someone else's hands is a pretty big gesture. It feels like..." Sayaka grimaces. "It feels like Oriko's saying she can trust you. Or maybe that she trusts Sabrina, since she's here and stuck into everything? I dunno where I was going with this, ignore me."

Homura stares at Sayaka for a long, long moment.

"... what?" Sayaka raises an eyebrow, obviously trying not to fidget. "Something I said?"

This... this bothers me. I can't explain why but I get a whole "This isn't right" vibe from this quick exchange. The feeling something is deeply wrong and I just can't quite pick it out. I mean, I can descend into paranoia with the best of them but...

The first thing that comes to mind is that the world tilted off axis slightly the day Sabrina made the barrier. When I reread the thread recently, it struck me that either directly or indirectly, outside of Walpurgisnacht's slow approach, most if not all of what's happened since started that day. My memory for detailed timelines isn't fantastic, I'm sure I've got some of it wrong, but from the moment we tried the barrier, things got screwy. Unfortunately we've got no way of separating out the influence of the first vs the second barrier attempt on the timeline, beyond the minor breakdown Mami had after the first one that directly lead to our attempt at the second one.

After that second one though it became much easier to see we just gave everything good in the world a meaty thwack. And that's after Mami was done freaking out because we scared her half to death again. Then we notice the feather. Immediately after that our evening plans go out the window as Sayaka suddenly teleports across town and Oriko calls us to give us the heads up. So we go save smurfette but the damage is done and she contracts that night. Meanwhile Megane Ono who we have to blow off twice over this series of events goes from pleasant to rude to impossible (with us conveniently making both barriers in between interactions with her) so in true Sabrina style we break into her house and aggressively save her life, pissing her off forever in the process. Next morning we find out Sayaka's become a wizard and go to grill Oriko about it only to find that her powers are failing and she is in agony. Finally, I can't prove this one, but I believe that over this timeframe is when Kuroki Matsuko was "vanished", most likely by the same entity that's responsible for Sayaka doing the time warp, no sign of her or her witch since.

Something about this whole, weird, waffly, utterly millenial quote just brought it back to me that Sayaka, in a lot of ways hasn't been the same since. And not just in the "nearly died, then made an awesome wish to help her friends" sort of way. A lot of the discussion about her potentially being Mikiel started thereafter as well. And I've forgotten where I'm going with this. Maybe the thread's bleeding into Sayaka's brain as well these days.

Reminds me, something keeps bothering me about the fact Sayaka wished for us as well. We made it through the logic checkpoint that Kirika wished for Oriko and that was important, and I feel like the extension that Sayaka in a much looser sense wished for a few people... maybe that's it. She wished to be useful to her friends. Us, Mami, Homura, Hitomi, Kwyjibo and... Madoka. She indirectly wished to be useful to Madoka. Don't know if there's anything to that, but it lands like there is in my brain.
 
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"I love you, always, but Sabrina's right," Kirika murmurs. "We are going to talk."

Someone is sleeping on the sofa tonight...

for like 2 minutes until Kirika can't deal with not having Oriko in bed with her...

The perfect defense was not used correctly, because Homura received power from her wish, but not the wisdom to use it.

.... so Homura is like Oriko, and totally used her wish wrong despite the nature of the power (her own in this case rather then Kirika's) hinting at HOW wish should be viewed.

..... telling Homura she is like Oriko might not be a good thing to do at this juncture though.
 
@Firnagzen : Shouldn't we be picking up Kyouko and Yuma first? And did we ever decide on whether or not we're leaving Yuma in Mitakihara to help watch over Madoka?

Yeah this. We're leaving Yuma tho.

Someone is sleeping on the sofa tonight...

for like 2 minutes until Kirika can't deal with not having Oriko in bed with her...



.... so Homura is like Oriko, and totally used her wish wrong despite the nature of the power (her own in this case rather then Kirika's) hinting at HOW wish should be viewed.

..... telling Homura she is like Oriko might not be a good thing to do at this juncture though.

Well it's kind of different. Homura never had any idea she could take others back in time with her. If she'd had that idea she'd have done the right thing.
 
.... so Homura is like Oriko, and totally used her wish wrong despite the nature of the power (her own in this case rather then Kirika's) hinting at HOW wish should be viewed.

..... telling Homura she is like Oriko might not be a good thing to do at this juncture though.
I mean, "problems with wishes" is something lots of meguca have in common.

I see Oriko's actions through this lens. I am probably somewhat wrong about this because I am just working off Oriko Magica. She invested herself in having a purpose in life, which was support of her father's political career, but then her father pulled out the rug from under her by secretly being an awful person in several ways including... embezzlement? So after her father's public disgrace she went looking for another purpose in more or less the usual manner of young people sliding down the slippery slope toward ideologically-motivated violence.

I say more or less because whereas most young people disenchanted with their life and in search of a cause are able to find it with the help of cults, gangs and similar, Oriko was handed the phenomenal cosmic power to search time and space for a hill to die on. And, you know, there really was a big problem to solve. A few missing limbs and some arson later, she had the result she wanted and... now what? Being forcibly evicted from the hill she had chosen, mission accomplished, and explicitly forbidden from dying for a new cause, she rejected her wish.

Eventually she came to a much more moderate point of view that, even if you have something important to do, it's alright, preferable even, to accomplish it without making it into a suicide mission, especially if you have a girlfriend who explicitly wished to support you. Thus her soul took a new shape, and she's trying out this "being a team player thing" she's new to it, so she makes mistakes, and some of her colleagues hold those mistakes against her, but so far it's going okay.
 
And now there are five of you. Six, if you count the awkward silence, which quite frankly has nearly as much physical presence as any of you on your Mobile Oppression Platform as you speed through the sky. Grief fog billows out ahead of you, batting aside motionless raindrops and damping the roar of wind.
Did Feathers steal someone away in the middle of this conversaion?

1. Sabrina
2. Mami
3. Sayaka
4. Homura
5. Oriko
6. Kirika
 
Ok wait I changed my mind. I saw Firn say this coming update should bring us to Iowa, so I have additions to this. By which I mean I wrote up the vote for the full fucking update of planning that I said we were going to do.

Clear guidance is a must for any serious military action. Having clear ROE means no surprises or arguments during battle. Having clear goals beyond "fight Iowa" lets our people engage in effective decision making under stress.

And making it absolutely clear that our first priority is all of our people coming out alive says a lot to the people who have agreed to risk their lives on our behalf.

[X] For yourself, ask Kirika if she can make antimagic enchantments with what you have handy. You'd rather not gem people if you can avoid it; not everyone on your side is aware of the truth of soul gems.
[X] Overarching flight goals: In the time before you arrive in SEA you need to...
-[X] Establish clear objectives:
--[X] Primary objectives are, in order of importance:
---[X] Everybody on our side walks out of here alive at the end of the day.
---[X] The neutralization of Iowa Group's ability to conduct operations against anyone remotely associated with any of us.
--[X] Secondary objectives:
---[X] Takedown of all members of Iowa Group.
---[X] Requisition of any material assets Iowa may posses.
-[X] Establish loose but clear ROE:
--[X] If abiding by ROE means death or capture, don't die or get captured.
--[X] Directly acting to harm non-hostiles is absolutely contraindicated.
--[X] Live capture of hostiles is very preferable. That said, Iowa Group would make multiple lists of international terrorists if not for Kyubey's interventions. Nobody here is under any expectation to refrain from using lethal force against them.
-[X] Brief everybody on everything of relevance known about Iowa.
-[X] Conduct full discussion of each others' abilities, limitations, and preferred roles in order to facilitate effective teamwork against Iowa.
--[X] Question Sayaka on the plant and paper control powers she has. Are they potentially antimagic resistant, and could she use them for area control if she were to dump enough -- like, however much it takes -- magic into them?
---[X] Extend the question to everyone else who has never considered throwing around an arbitrary amount of power before. Grief seeds are awkward for use during combat. Your powers are not remotely so limited, and you absolutely have the multitasking to go with the control radius.

[X] Yuma needs to go over to MadoHito, she can help protect them and stay with Sayaklone.
[X] Gather Mitakihara and head to Fukushima. Plans for the first leg, to Fukushima and back to drop off Atsuko:
-[X] You're going to need a bigger Mobile Operations Platform. Make a full on flying saucer.
-[x] Put on some music or other white noise in the background. (Take requests.)
-[X] Given that you're going halfway to space by the end of this, and general utility, can you use grief fog sensors instead of windows? Can you make a "very foggy array?" (Thousands of mechanical grief micro cameras distributed throughout your fog and/or the hull of the MOP. Do not trance.)
-[X] Gather basic info prior to a bigger tactical discussion once you've picked everyone up.
--[X] Generally offer your enchanted grief for any one tool your friends might need and don't have, with a note on the limits of what you can make
 
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[Q] Start working on a Grief version of what we think a Fleet of Fog USS Iowa would look like and be capable of.

I mean, the manga started in 2010, a year before Madoka started. :V

[X] Kaizuki

Making sure everyone's on the same page is kind of important.
 
Given that you're going halfway to space by the end of this, and general utility, can you use grief fog sensors instead of windows? Can you make a "very foggy array?" (Thousands of mechanical grief micro cameras distributed throughout your fog and/or the hull of the MOP. Do not trance.)

Think that's already been addressed in a previous update: Sabrina just made non-Witchy windows through the power of molecular mimicry.
 
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