Putting aside the exact mechanics of entropy, as I'm not sure they're entirely relevant right now.

it will take whatever option, will get it the greatest profit, before the heat death of the universe.
Would YOU take a battery that will recharge itself, indefinitely and eternally, and just burn it for a one-time use?
My confusion lies in the comparison of grief generation between a Grief Seed and a Soul Gem. I can't actually find where Sabrina finds out the Grief Seeds generate grief. The only relevant posts I can find are Surface Tension part 5, where the flayed Hildegard generates grief, but it's not a seed at that point, and Highway 17 part 24 where Sabrina tells Niko that Grief Seeds and Clear Seeds generate grief.

Absolutely not. Kyubey is collecting souls and setting them up to suffer for all eternity, and is always collecting more because the nature of entropy means that energy needs will always pace higher and higher.
If QB has a way to remove grief from Soul Gems/Grief Seeds, why would he not set up Soul Gem farms instead? PM can generate grief much faster than witches in seeds, and by farming the Soul Gems there's no need to have someone defeat a witch and retrieve the seed.
 
If QB has a way to remove grief from Soul Gems/Grief Seeds, why would he not set up Soul Gem farms instead? PM can generate grief much faster than witches in seeds, and by farming the Soul Gems there's no need to have someone defeat a witch and retrieve the seed.

Because the primary energy yield he receives from the process is during the Witchout phase.
After falling in despair, the Soul Gem cracks and releases the amount of energy that Incubators, let that sink in, consider significant enough on a cosmological scale to organize a system of fighting physical constants around it.

The estimates we operate on start at somewhere like a star being born each time a girl Witches out.

Like, yeah, he will operate on Contracts alone, but do it unwillingly. The Rebellion takes place in the universe where Madokami's Wish prevents them from accessing energy yields of this part of the cycle, and their bright idea once they realize it is to defeat God and reinstall the old ( new, from their point of view, I guess ) system.
 
I'm kind of curious what would happen if someone just wished away entropy.

How would the Incubators react to their whole purpose suddenly being rendered moot?
 
Because the primary energy yield he receives from the process is during the Witchout phase.
I understand you're not the same person I was speaking to earlier, it was a Socratic question. I don't believe there's a Soul Gem or Grief Seed farm. The renewable aspect of the operation is humanity. Humans keep popping out more humans at an exponential rate, there no need for QB to settle for slow farming methods when it can farm witch convertions.
 
I understand you're not the same person I was speaking to earlier, it was a Socratic question. I don't believe there's a Soul Gem or Grief Seed farm. The renewable aspect of the operation is humanity. Humans keep popping out more humans at an exponential rate, there no need for QB to settle for slow farming methods when it can farm witch convertions.

Are you asking why he is farming both Witchouts and Grief Seeds? Because Grief Seeds still generate energy, however incomparable to the Witchout phase. Throwing them away is a waste from this point of view.

Like, if you forget for a second that Incubators farm souls, they are actually pretty eco-friendly.
 
I'm kind of curious what would happen if someone just wished away entropy.

How would the Incubators react to their whole purpose suddenly being rendered moot?
Kyubey wants to stop entropy only enough to save the universe from destruction. Stopping entropy entirely sounds like a bad idea.
 
Kyubey wants to stop entropy only enough to save the universe from destruction. Stopping entropy entirely sounds like a bad idea.

Depends on how you stop it.

Technically, stopping time is stopping entropy. Also, technically, stopping entropy is stopping time, since time is largely a fiction of human mind meant to represent the measured increase of entropy in the observable system.
 
Are you asking why he is farming both Witchouts and Grief Seeds? Because Grief Seeds still generate energy, however incomparable to the Witchout phase. Throwing them away is a waste from this point of view.

Like, if you forget for a second that Incubators farm souls, they are actually pretty eco-friendly.
Assuming that KQ operates on an infinite time scale, are they really incomperable? Wouldn't they utilize the more efficient method using soul gems in that case?
 
Technically, stopping time is stopping entropy. Also, technically, stopping entropy is stopping time, since time is largely a fiction of human mind meant to represent the measured increase of entropy in the observable system.
Ah, it just clicked! "Your wish has surpassed entropy." At last I fully understand why it sounds so profound.
 
Er.
Quick crash course on the current theories of entropic decay, which PMMM universe seems to work on, more or less.

The universe expands at an accelerated rate. That means that the clusters of matter we call celestial bodies have a prevailing tendency to come apart at a constantly increasing rate.

Any new matter or energy introduced to such a system will always require a corresponding increase in quantity with time to counteract the constant acceleration of expansion of the system.

In other words the matter remains, yes, but in a lower energy state useless in terms of anything related to energy consumption. And as it does so at an accelerated rate, currently explained by dark energy theory, there never will be enough energy introduced to the universe to sustain it.

As an attendum, some Questers raised a possibility that, due to Incubators constantly combating entropy, as they claim to, at least, the observable acceleration of expansion of the universe doesn't reflect the actual physical constants of entropic decay. As it is, heat death of the universe is scheduled to start sometime in a thousand billion years, more or less. Depending on how much effort and energy the incubators spend on fighting entropy, the life in the universe became sustainable only because of their efforts in the dark-energy-dominated era of the universe.

Well, of course they also could use Magical Girls as their energy industry, which is also fighting entropy, lol.
It basically depends on how you want to combat entropy, if you want provide energy for the universes constant expansion, then the energy cost is ever increasing, if you simply decide that you only want to support a set number of systems, then the cost is fixed.
...Um. Sir, when the entire problem is that energy becomes progressively unusable and everything atomically deteriorates, and the Incubators are (allegedly) trying to maintain interstellar civilization, which by the nature of civilization will always need more energy as it does more things, the rate at which the Incubators need to collect energy will only ever ascend, which means the need to circumvent entropy will only exponentially increase as a priority and need.

Like holy shit just compare humanity's energy consumption today to what it was even just 30 years ago.
Well yeah if they want to support expansion they will always need more energy, but that's not just counteracting entropy, that's straight-up reversing entropy, so the rule is changed to the universe gaining more useable energy all the time.

If the Incubators merely want to preserve a status quo, where things neither grow nor shrink, then they only need so much energy.
If QB has a way to remove grief from Soul Gems/Grief Seeds, why would he not set up Soul Gem farms instead? PM can generate grief much faster than witches in seeds, and by farming the Soul Gems there's no need to have someone defeat a witch and retrieve the seed.
Personally my guess is that he's only able to siphon grief from Grief Seeds, and it's an involved process that require specialized equipment, Grief Seeds overflow with Grief, whereas in Soul gems the Grief is deep down, in Grief Seeds the grief is on the surface, and QB is only capable of skimming Grief off the top, not reach deep down inside and extract the Grief.

I also suspect the equipment they use to extract the Grief, inflict additional suffering on the Grief Seed, increasing the rate at which Grief Seeds generate Grief, to be equal or greater to the rate at which a PM can generate Grief, because if that wasn't the case, I think QB would be way more interested in our power than he is, as if Soul Gems produce more Grief per day, than Grief Seeds the Incubators are draining, they would want to figure out a way to duplicate our power, because while Witchouts stopping being a thing, would cost them a huge one time payout, if it would increase their sustained income, it would eventually be more efficient, to have a PM stay a PM instead of becoming a Witch, and for immortal beings like QB, there's no functional difference between eventually and right now.

If the Incubators actually didn't have the ability to extract Grief without destroying the Grief Seed, then we should have had QB offering us just about anything, up to and including the Incubator's permanent withdrawal from Earth, in return for our help figuring out how to duplicate our powers, because our power would in such a scenario, be the key to the Incubators going from finite one time profits, to eternally renewing profit sources, which for a specie that fully expect to exist forever, is infinitely greater than any finite amount of profits, as to them it don't matter if it take a billion years, to produce as much power as the finite on time profit did, they have an infinite amount of billion years to extract energy in, so they will still eventually get infinitely more energy.

So I'm almost sure the Incubators have some mean of non-destructively extracting Grief, although it's likely to be inferior to our own, from the simple fact, that if they had no such thing, they should be offering us nearly anything, for the opportunity to duplicate our mean of doing so, or be trying to kidnap us for experimentation at all costs, as they aren't doing either of those things, they clearly already have some form of means, to turn a Grief Seed into an eternal source of energy.
 
It basically depends on how you want to combat entropy, if you want provide energy for the universes constant expansion, then the energy cost is ever increasing, if you simply decide that you only want to support a set number of systems, then the cost is fixed.

Oh, that's not as sure and dandy as you'd think. Depending on which theory is correct, the entropic decay might increase infinitely until it overcomes electromagnetic, nuclear and weak forces and makes it impossible for atoms to exist, unless some external force is spent to maintain their cohesion.
 
Oh, that's not as sure and dandy as you'd think. Depending on which theory is correct, the entropic decay might increase infinitely until it overcomes electromagnetic, nuclear and weak forces and makes it impossible for atoms to exist, unless some external force is spent to maintain their cohesion.
Okay that just sound weird, I believe there's such theories of course, but the idea that it become harder for things to exist with time, sound rather weird to me, my understanding of entropy has always been, that it's simply the conversion of energy into other less useful types of energy, and the heat death of the universe, is simply when all energy has been converted to heat, and has been spread out over so great an area, that no 2 electrons touch each other.

If entropy is simply that, then simply injecting new energy to replace the lost should be enough, if entropy is something more than that, then it might be more complicated.
 
Regarding what exactly the Incubators do with collected Grief Seeds, that's a question which is actionable in the shorter term. I recommend asking Kyuubey point blank what it does with collected Grief Seeds, as part of the dewitching Science agenda. It seems like the worst it would do (for that particular question) is refuse to answer, but maybe I've not adequately thought it through.
 
Regarding what exactly the Incubators do with collected Grief Seeds, that's a question which is actionable in the shorter term. I recommend asking Kyuubey point blank what it does with collected Grief Seeds, as part of the dewitching Science agenda. It seems like the worst it would do (for that particular question) is refuse to answer, but maybe I've not adequately thought it through.

The worst he could do is to answer in such a way that we completely misinterpret it.

An incorrect fact is even more harmful than no information at all.
 
We need to ask kyubey
How long the universe has left anyways
Like. If the incubators wern't doing their whole thing. If they never had done their thing. Then how long would the universe have left until all of creation reaches equilibrium?

I hate interacting with that thing but us all speculating isn't going to help and there is only one person thing that definitely knows
 
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