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[x] Kaizuki

This vote is supposed to take us further up to the meeting though.... How do we plan to handle that exactly? And is there anything else we want to write about how we are during dinner, or is it just sorta quietly following from how we answer Mami now?
 
tarrangar said:
The idea was basically getting someone, to wish for a power to prevent a Grief Seed from hatching, then getting a Grief controller to shuffle the Grief over to the suppressed Grief Seed, thereby allowing you to create an extremely overfilled Grief Seed, and an extremely drained Grief Seed, that will last far longer than a normal Grief Seed.

Basically the idea was that if you get someone that can prevent a Grief Seed from hatching for a time, you can absurdly overfil it, to create a much longer lasting Seed, and then feed the overfilled Seed to Kyuubei, the net Grief is still the same, but you have one overfilled Seed, and one very empty Seed, which mean the amount of Grief you will be able to dispose of has gone up.
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Still runs into thermodynamics issues - both freezing the seed and transferring the grief will produce Grief, so the net Grief is actually greater than before. At best you might get a marginal increase in storage, depending on the involved meguca's potential.
 
tarrangar said:
Basically the idea was that if you get someone that can prevent a Grief Seed from hatching for a time, you can absurdly overfil it, to create a much longer lasting Seed, and then feed the overfilled Seed to Kyuubei, the net Grief is still the same, but you have one overfilled Seed, and one very empty Seed, which mean the amount of Grief you will be able to dispose of has gone up.
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Dantalion said:
Still runs into thermodynamics issues - both freezing the seed and transferring the grief will produce Grief, so the net Grief is actually greater than before. At best you might get a marginal increase in storage, depending on the involved meguca's potential.
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Yeah, there's a very good chance moving 1 unit of grief from one seed to the next costs 1 unit of grief in the girl's Gem, on top of the possible magic costs of preventing a grief seed from hatching meaning you don't really accomplish anything in the long run. Unless you have the absurd potential the fuck with the System.
 
Dantalion said:
Still runs into thermodynamics issues - both freezing the seed and transferring the grief will produce Grief, so the net Grief is actually greater than before. At best you might get a marginal increase in storage, depending on the involved meguca's potential.
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Appletank said:
Yeah, there's a very good chance moving 1 unit of grief from one seed to the next costs 1 unit of grief in the girl's Gem, on top of the possible magic costs of preventing a grief seed from hatching meaning you don't really accomplish anything in the long run. Unless you have the absurd potential the fuck with the System.
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Magic explicitly break thermodynamics, though how much grief it cost is of course an issue, but from what we have heard about other Grief controllers, the problem has never been that their Grief control is expensive, it's that they can only transfer it to other viable containers for Grief.

Ultimately I think the best normal Grief control wish you could make, would be to wish for the ability to transfer Grief from soul gems to Familiars.

Familiars are semi-independent Grief based beings, they can evolve into witches if they kill enough people, and they will survive their witch being killed, so they should be a valid target for Grief transferring, especially if you specifically wish for the ability to feed grief into them, if you feed enough Grief into a Familiar it might become a witch, but that just mean you have additional prey.

But whether the Grief Seed suppression idea would work, would of course depend on how expensive suppressing a Grief Seed turn out to be.
 
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Firnagzen said:
"The Incubator isn't going to just give up."
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*Incubator shows up*
Sayaka: Hello Kyuubey.
Incubator: Hello Miss Mi- [sent flying into a building by one of Sayaka's many powers]
Homura: hehhehehheheheheh
Sabrina: Homura?
Homura: I forgot how much fun timelines are when Sayaka hates incubator.
Sabrina: I see.
 
DB_Explorer said:
*Incubator shows up*
Sayaka: Hello Kyuubey.
Incubator: Hello Miss Mi- [sent flying into a building by one of Sayaka's many powers]
Homura: hehhehehheheheheh
Sabrina: Homura?
Homura: I forgot how much fun timelines are when Sayaka hates incubator.
Sabrina: I see.
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Sayaka: Hey Sabrina, mind if I borrow your warhammer for a second?
Sabrina: Oh boy, I know where this is going! *hands over warhammer*
Sayaka: FORE!
 
Outside of a Soul (or a Soul's sphere of influence), Grief disperses harmlessly into the atmosphere. In theory, enchantment could substitute for Grief-Seed-derivative objects; any container with a barrier or a bound space to prevent the Grief from escaping (as it would through conventional materials) would suffice. The problem is storage: Even when Sabrina compresses Grief down into a supersolid, it's still exponentially less space-efficient than a Grief Seed's quantum suffering storage.

What if we didn't need storage? The problem with Grief is that Magi's souls aren't permeable like Human souls, so Grief can't disperse naturally out of them. If we could simply design a pylon of some sort that could draw Grief out of Soul Gems like Sabrina does, that'd solve the problem-- collecting it and giving it to the Incubator is icing, and isn't necessarily a priority for either of us, since Kyuubey gets the bulk of energy from creating Contracts and Witchouts.
 
mCooperative said:
[x] Kaizuki

This vote is supposed to take us further up to the meeting though.... How do we plan to handle that exactly? And is there anything else we want to write about how we are during dinner, or is it just sorta quietly following from how we answer Mami now?
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Do more than my vote lol, I just only have a few free hours in a day ATM and writing that post ate one of'em
 
tarrangar said:
Iowa might do the same, and if they have access to a teleporter or another form of movement power, they could knock out/kill someone with a Clear Seed, and by the time we learn about it, they're hiding in a small Australian town, even with Homura's timestop, we don't have the mental fortitude to search the whole world for them.
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Bold of you to put the concepts of "Homura" and "Lacking in mental fortitude" in the same sentence.
 
jmcdavid said:
They never implied that Homura is the one lacking, so they're safe for sure.
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Eh, Sabrina's got enough brain damage to match up.

More seriously, there's plenty of reason to track them down. As far as talking points for "Don't steal clear seeds" go, people pointing to that time the witch girl and the quiet one popped up on the thiefs doorstep halfway across the world in the middle of nowhere is a pretty good one.
 
So, after the writeup, I got a commission from Moid, and now it's finally finished.

Dedolere, the Bodhisattva witch, with a controlling nature.
 
Wow Deldore looks a lot like Te Kā. Props to Moid for capturing the controlling Power of Deldore.

Edit: ...I also can't unsee the apparent... pompadour that seems to be stolen from AuraTwilight.
 
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Keldin said:
Bold of you to put the concepts of "Homura" and "Lacking in mental fortitude" in the same sentence.
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Not lacking, but even Homura is limited when it comes to mental fortitude, and if she searched alone she would need to be pretty much unlimited, as without Mami and Sabrina joining the search, she would need to search the whole Earth by eyesight, that's the kind of search that could take centuries, I could see Homura spending weeks in timestop for something like this, is if was a direct threat to Madoka she would probably have the mental fortitude to spend years or even decades in timestop, but while Homura has a really strong mental fortitude, it's not unbreakable, and a Clear Seed being stolen isn't a direct threat to Madoka, I really can't see her spending hundreds of years searching for it.

Sabrina is not mentally weak, but she's not as strong as Homura either, she could last days maybe even weeks, but without combining her power with Mami, her range is only a hundred meters, even with her range the search could take years, and I don't think Sabrina would last though that.

Sabrina and Mami combined could probably search the whole Earth in months, but Mami is currently rather mentally fragile, and the timestop seem to be especially freaky to her(probably due to her powers being about connecting to things, which make her feel the freeze all that more keenly) even the only hours long search for Oriko strained her, I don't think she would last for a month long search.

Everyone have limits, they might be extremely high limits, but they're there, and searching every inch of the Earth, is something I think is over even Homura's limits.

Seriously, if Homura did it solo, then even if she succeeded, I expect she would fill up multiple Clear Seeds in the progress, even if she could do it, it wouldn't be worth it, that long isolation would undo any progress, we have made on getting her to open up and allow herself to be human.
 
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Right tried to do this organically but I just didn't have the time with a full time gig. Gonna have to dig through this monster through the e-books and/or the story only thread.

I shall reply when I return. If I do not please punt Kyubey or the nearest equivalent into rush hour traffic, preferably in front of a truck. I wish to know if it squeaks like a rubber ducky when ground beneath an eighteen wheeler.

Godspeed and shine on you crazy Soul Gems.
 
Always Happening said:
Outside of a Soul (or a Soul's sphere of influence), Grief disperses harmlessly into the atmosphere. In theory, enchantment could substitute for Grief-Seed-derivative objects; any container with a barrier or a bound space to prevent the Grief from escaping (as it would through conventional materials) would suffice. The problem is storage: Even when Sabrina compresses Grief down into a supersolid, it's still exponentially less space-efficient than a Grief Seed's quantum suffering storage.

What if we didn't need storage? The problem with Grief is that Magi's souls aren't permeable like Human souls, so Grief can't disperse naturally out of them. If we could simply design a pylon of some sort that could draw Grief out of Soul Gems like Sabrina does, that'd solve the problem-- collecting it and giving it to the Incubator is icing, and isn't necessarily a priority for either of us, since Kyuubey gets the bulk of energy from creating Contracts and Witchouts.
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... this is a setup for a PYLONS! gag isn't it?
 
Firnagzen said:
"And... don't get hung up for too long on, like, the details and such," you say, waving a hand vaguely. "Like... There's a fine line between consideration and hesitation - the former is wisdom, the latter is fear, and all that stuff, you know? Homura and I are here if you have any questions, or doubts, and I'm always happy to lend a listening ear or a shoulder."
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Golden Lark said:
Someone's been playing Path of Exile, eh?
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So if Sabrina is Izaro, who's our Goddess of Justice? Mami and Madokami both kind of fit.
 
NemoMarx said:
So if Sabrina is Izaro, who's our Goddess of Justice? Mami and Madokami both kind of fit.
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Madoka don't really fit justice, while she will do it if necessary, she's not much for punishing wrongdoing, she's all about mercy and redemption, she don't want to punish you for being bad, she want to help you be better.

She understands and approve of justice of course, but it's not a big part of her existence.
 
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