Hm, assuming that we crack Dewitching, it ends up that Witching Out is actually a better fate then a Gem Smash, given that the latter can be recovered from. A cruel irony of Sabrina, and one unlikely to sit well with the Shiogama girls. Do you think we should try to solve resurrection? Because I have no clue what happens to shards of a soul after they get smashed.

Does it evaporate into the generic afterlife? Does Madokami invervene because outside the universe lol? Or do they just stay in this world Steven Universe style?
Madokami *probably* doesn't exist yet, so I'd say they're either gone or in the generic afterlife.

Makes you wonder why the Incubators don't make the Soul Gems sturdier. If they were unbreakable there'd be much more Witch-outs.

Can we make them sturdier?
 
My head-canon was that destroying a soul gem is literal soul destruction. No way to undo it. Idk if this is backed up by anything in canon.

To achieve soul reconstruction, I guess this would depend on if all of the pieces could be recovered and how exactly the crystallization of the soul works. Does every shard contain soul? Does only the whole contain soul and is required to maintain it? If you chip off a small piece, will the gem still work properly?

Lots of questions with no answers @_@

Edit: There's no normal crystal that is unshatterable. You'd have to reinforce it with magic which would drain energy from the Soul Gem and lead to faster Witch-outs.
So yeah, you'd think the Incubators would be in favor of this, but maybe there's something else going on.
 
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Nah. Just some inhuman, amoral, and highly manipulative enterprising being attempt to harness its energy for some ill-defined 'greater good'.

Predictably, it does not end well.
So what you're telling me is that someone wished for the Incubators to use a better energy resource, and QB's answer was to open a rift to hell for Argent?
My head-canon was that destroying a soul gem is literal soul destruction. No way to undo it. Idk if this is backed up by anything in canon.

To achieve soul reconstruction, I guess this would depend on if all of the pieces could be recovered and how exactly the crystallization of the soul works. Does every shard contain soul? Does only the whole contain soul and is required to maintain it? If you chip off a small piece, will the gem still work properly?

Lots of questions with no answers @_@

Edit: There's no normal crystal that is unshatterable. You'd have to reinforce it with magic which would drain energy from the Soul Gem and lead to faster Witch-outs.
So yeah, you'd think the Incubators would be in favor of this, but maybe there's something else going on.
Time for some illegal Human Transmutation
 
I came back from the grave (Cuba), facing many perils (having to pay a fee for every hour of internet use) to send you all this message:

Consider that sharing our work on dewitching is not free of judgement - if we bring the Shiogama girls in on this, we'd need to bring up all of the reasons that we think our approach to dewitchingwon't be just another that explodes into conglomerate witches and sadness.

(Also consider that we aren't in privacy right now, although since we've been enchanting grief for a while that isn't a huge issue. Still, it's another vector by which info could leak to Coobs.)

I won't be around to actually argue this, and in fact I haven't been able to read all the comments so for all I know it was already brought up, but my preferred vote would look something like:

[ ] You're sorry for bringing it up, but you wanted to be sure.
-[ ] You've encountered groups that did preserve their... fallen friends that way, and you help them get special arrangements for those seeds.

If they inquire about "special arrangements", then we can put up a privacy barrier and fill them in.
 
Does it evaporate into the generic afterlife?
Yes, though it's possible that they will persist after death until they finally give up the ghost. *badm tzk* Punintentional. :V

Can we make them sturdier?
I don't see why not.

My head-canon was that destroying a soul gem is literal soul destruction.
I don't think so. The soul gem has been shown to survive internal damage and some degree of external damage with no detrimental effects. As long as it is mostly in one piece, it should be okay. This seems to suggest that the soul gem holds the soul inside, and is not itself the soul.

But the difference is academic. Even if the soul is just set free, it has to move on to wherever the other souls go after death. And in the absence of a more permanent afterlife, those souls probably just dissolve into karmic whatever and become the building blocks for new souls, or something like that.

In Oriko Magica, Kirika gets her gem chipped and starts rapidly accumulating Grief.
Maybe because she was afraid of dying and started freaking out?
 
-[ ] You've encountered groups that did preserve their... fallen friends that way, and you help them get special arrangements for those seeds.
Who have we encountered that actually does this? I think it's just Airi Anri we've done this for and that's it.

We stopped Kazusa from Witching Out, so aside from Niko Kanna and Airi Anri, the rest of the Asunaro Girls don't know. Hamasaki Akiko of Sendai was suspected of searching for her girlfriend's seed in Ishinomaki, but we don't know she actually has it. We don't even know if the Ishinomaki girls are in on the secret. Tokyo's got the Council sitting on the secret with Memory Powers.

We only have word of Firn that Homura has the seeds of Mitakihara Girls from previous timelines on her, she's refused to actually admit it to us herself.

Maybe because she was afraid of dying and started freaking out?
I'm spacing on where, but that's not the only source on "Cracked Gems Spiral Faster," so I don't think that's psychological. Besides, in Kirika's situation in Oriko Magika, the only thing she cared about was what Oriko needed - her wish was directly messing with her mind. I don't think fear was a factor for her.
 
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its there any canon or PMAS canon at least explanation for why there are no magical boys? is it based on chromosomal sex or identity? cuz if it were the former you would think, given your meguca appearance reflects your inner view, there'd at least be tales of at last one magical boy through means of one going through transition.

finding out about this could double our potential population.
The canon explanation is allegedly that girls are more emotional, which... simply isn't true. Boys just learn to repress it. So my PMAS-canon explanation is that Coobs chooses to contract girls (for whatever reason).

Funnily enough, if you consider the notion that Coobs doesn't understand emotions, then, well, it might be wrongly choosing to contract only girls because of incorrect cultural assumptions.

On the other hand, the out-of-story explanation is that it's a magical girl story, ergo, you have magical girls. :V
I always head canoned it as boys having slight variations on a girl's standard abilities that tended to make them much harder to kill and therefore resulted in them hanging around longer and preventing Kyubey contracting new ones to replace them. Namely, due to the resemblance between a soul gem and Koschei hiding his death inside a needle in an egg, etc, they can go any distance from their soul gem at the cost of crippling weakness if any soul but theirs touches it.
So they could just hide their only vulnerable spot somewhere safe next to several empty grief seeds and run around with impunity as long as they made sure not to overfill the grief seeds. So Kyubey probably just stopped contracting them because they wouldn't die fast enough.
This also means Koschei the Deathless might still be running around Russia as a several century old Magical Boy with a rivalry against the similarly old Magical Girl Baba Yaga.
 
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This also means Koschei the Deathless might still be running around Russia as a several century old Magical Boy with a rivalry against the similarly old Magical Girl Baba Yaga.

As a Russian, I absolutely endorse this. :V

Koschei is actually more or less a regular lich, the way the fairy-tale goes.
Only, instead of hiding his soul in a phylactery
*Inhales*
Here goes

In the middle of the ocean lies an island
On the island grows an olden oak
Under the oak is buried a chest
In the chest hides a hare
In the hare hides a duck
In the duck there's an egg
In the egg there's a needle
Koschei's the Deathless death it holds

And the last two verses are suspiciously similar to a Soul Gem and a Grief Seed, so think about it what you will
 
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I always head canoned it as boys having slight variations on a girl's standard abilities that tended to make them much harder to kill and therefore resulted in them hanging around longer and preventing Kyubey contracting new ones to replace them. Namely, due to the resemblance between a soul gem and Koschei hiding his death inside a needle in an egg, etc, they can go any distance from their soul gem at the cost of crippling weakness if any soul but theirs touches it.
So they could just hide their only vulnerable spot somewhere safe next to several empty grief seeds and run around with impunity as long as they made sure not to overfill the grief seeds. So Kyubey probably just stopped contracting them because they wouldn't die fast enough.
This also means Koschei the Deathless might still be running around Russia as a several century old Magical Boy with a rivalry against the similarly old Magical Girl Baba Yaga.

...Why the fuck would gender make this sort of outrageous difference, when magic is entirely governed by the soul anyway?

If Koschei ever actually happened, it was probably wish magic.
 
We only have word of Firn that Homura has the seeds of Mitakihara Girls from previous timelines on her, she's refused to actually admit it to us herself.
Which is weird because sending people to the past is confirmed to merge/replace the souls of their past selves with the previous iteration of them, and the effect is not strictly limited to Homura. But I know so little about the specifics of that power that I don't mind the huge handwave.

And the last two verses are suspiciously similar to a Soul Gem and a Grief Seed, so think about it what you will
Soul gems are Fabergé eggs and witches are the unique little surprises hidden inside, so think of that what you will. And that poem is very interesting as well, so have an insightful and a bookmark.

I feel like magical boys must have been a thing at some point. Just a question of when they stopped being a thing. Cavemen? Koschei? Merlin?
Probably when magical girls became a cultural norm and magical boys... didn't.
 
Which is weird because sending people to the past is confirmed to merge/replace the souls of their past selves with the previous iteration of them, and the effect is not strictly limited to Homura. But I know so little about the specifics of that power that I don't mind the huge handwave.


Soul gems are Fabergé eggs and witches are the unique little surprises hidden inside, so think of that what you will. And that poem is very interesting as well, so have an insightful and a bookmark.


Probably when magical girls became a cultural norm and magical boys... didn't.
they're called comicbook superhero teams ;)
 
so we could (in order of preference):
1) ask around. homura and nadia might be good sources on the existence of mahou shounen
2) attempt to griefhax a magical boy creating item and attempt to extrapolate their existence based on our success/failure. if successful, possibly creates the capability to recruit boys in the future (only a possibility, given the ethical complexity). if a failure, we could try to make a magical girl crafting item. if that succeeds but the magical boy one fails, that's evidence against their existence, if both fail, evidence that this line of experimentation Possibly beyond our capabilities.
3) ask the incubator
 
I'd guess there were at least a few magical boys waaay back in prehistory; just enough for Kyuubey to decide that they generally weren't worth it, at which point it significantly reduced how often it bothered to check boys (who to contract is a multi-armed bandit problem).

That, or it can sense potential from everyone, decides on an individual basis, has incidentally observed that for whatever reason boys and older people tend to not have much of it, but would absolutely contract a boy if one happened to have enough potential to be worthwhile.
 
Apropos of my re-read of my saved copy of PMAS: Mami explicitly brought up that our current mental enchantments aren't optimal, just the best we could manage "without a mind mage".

Rionna said something similar, mentioning that the best way to defend against mental influence is a friendly mind mage.

Well. We have a friendly(-ish) mind mage. Kyouko. She even specifically wants to pay back her perceived debt to us, and from observing her hotel rooms, we know she's still able to make mind affecting enchantments even with her wish magic gone, since she puts SEP fields on the doors as standard operating procedure.
 
Apropos of my re-read of my saved copy of PMAS: Mami explicitly brought up that our current mental enchantments aren't optimal, just the best we could manage "without a mind mage".

Rionna said something similar, mentioning that the best way to defend against mental influence is a friendly mind mage.

Well. We have a friendly(-ish) mind mage. Kyouko. She even specifically wants to pay back her perceived debt to us, and from observing her hotel rooms, we know she's still able to make mind affecting enchantments even with her wish magic gone, since she puts SEP fields on the doors as standard operating procedure.

I don't think Kyouko is strictly a mind mage. Which is actually very strange, since her Wish is mindfuckery of the highest order. It's probably because she didn't mean it to be a mind whammy.

What I mean is, mind magic logically should be able to affect or at least interact with three things:
1) Perceptions
2) Memory
3) Reasoning

Kyouko's magic only affects perceptions and maaaybe reasoning. Ergo, she's not a full-blown mind mage. Well, she multiclassed into a spear chucker, so it's all good.

Lol, since Homura post-Madokami is able to change memories, we need to find the third girl who's able to affect reasoning and unite them into an indestructible mindfucking megazord.
 
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