We were discussing Sabrina's magical seal earlier, so I decided to make a mock-up. Luckily, the SV Logo is already in SVG format, so it was easy to import into Inkscape and use as an element.
Symmetrical and round, since a lot of magical seals have that property, with a pattern of starbursts and impactors around a central core, while also having the grief breaking out of the center and into reality. Plus, "SV" in witch runes.
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Hmm... give me a tick to play around with that seal, cause I like a lot of things going on with it. However, I think the Grief Lines and SV in Witch Runes cause a bit of clutter with the design, making it hard to read.
@Redshirt Army
Hmm... give me a tick to play around with that seal, cause I like a lot of things going on with it. However, I think the Grief Lines and SV in Witch Runes cause a bit of clutter with the design, making it hard to read.
"Hey Yuma! Did you know that if you push your magic into someone else's magic it's favored by your emotions so they know exactly how you feel about them?"
I'm still not sure why people keep saying things like "We shouldn't be focusing on doing protective enchantments all by ourself", since the vote clearly says that those are topics and recommendations and group projects and the only thing on there that's not directly related to whole-team requirements and an established agenda is the one that is literally our wish magic. But I've spent the last month continuously unfucking one thing after another, from the project I inherited from a coworker who bailed on us right as his code finished collapsing in a pile of godawful engineering and a bunch of new customers to this thread's disastrous attempts to talk to Homura and its paranoid secret-keeping in the face of word of god and theme and narrative, and even with only six or eight hour spent on PMAS total over the past two weeks I'm just tired of dealing with shit like this. So, unless one of you does something to piss me off again, I'm done with this vote. I'd say that I don't know how the vote could go that badly wrong at this point, but I don't want anyone to take it as a challenge. Instead, just... please keep it sane and at least tenuously related to observational evidence?
Adhoc vote count started by Firnagzen on Apr 20, 2019 at 6:59 AM, finished with 151705 posts and 19 votes.
[X] In whatever order makes sense:
[x] Brainmail the Pleiades, including Mami on the line. Topics:
-[x] Current events. How are things? The situation in Tokyo.
-[x] Defenses against mind magic. -[x] Ask if they're interested in coming along.
[X] Enchantment topics: [x] Ask Mami for advice on how to progress everyone's training. She's the most experienced. [x] As a whole group, focus on potential defensive options. [x] Potentially: -[x] Suggest Sayaka try copying enchantments. -[X] Offer to share your enchantment booster. -[X] Check if emotionally charged magic affects enchantments made with it. --[X] Try making emotion-enchanted grief. -[X] Try recycling enchanted grief. [X] Ask Hitomi about inviting Homura to the Shizukidinner.
[X] Sanitized summary of Tokyo for everyone -[X] Give Sayaka the floor to offer her own insights too, since she's worked with Madoka and Hitomi in politics before. -[X] Tell eveyone you'll write a more detailed account later to share --[X] Run it by Homu before actually sharing it with Madoka.
[X] Mention Oriko's new powers. Same routine as earlier, explain wish magic and its relationship to a girl's thinking, but take a slightly more emotional/romantic viewpoint so it plays better to Sayaka and Madoka. -[x] Fill Hitomi in on past decisions about Oriko and Kirika and address any concerns she brings up. She's part of that whole mess too after all. -[x] Prompt Homura to add her own input as appropriate moments come up for it. -[x] Quickly point out to Homura that you're taking a different approach, so she knows to pay attention so she can get to know her friends better.
[X] Ask everyone besides Hitomi if they'll be staying for dinner, and ask Homura to stay afterwards.
[X] In whatever order makes sense:
[X] As a group, work on developing mind/memory protection.
-[X] Use enchantment booster for rapid prototyping.
-[X] Basic practice in spare time.
[X] Mention invitation to shizukidinner to Homura & others
-[X] Ask if Homura was also invited
[X] Sanitized summary of Tokyo for everyone
-[X] Madoka-friendly. Bombs no, politics yes.
[X] Chat up the Pleiades by telepathy. Ask after & talk about current events. Ask after Hijiri.
[X] Mention wanting to bring mental health professionals into this somehow. Cite Akemi & Norikos as example of why.
[X] Ask Homura to stick around for a while after by telepathy.
[X] Mention Oriko's new powers.
Yes. But beyond Yuma, I think Yuri needs this in her life. As a bonus, her partner isn't a Magical Girl, so we actually get independent research confirmation of something really important?
She lost her wish magic but she still has generic magical girl magic and that's more than just her weapon. Remember what she did to the telescope viewer in episode 5?
Mm, that looks cool as heck, and it is a lot cleaner than my design. I really like your take on the central hub - the diamond shape is reminiscent of Homura's magic, and pairs very well with the square created by the starbursts. The Impactors being merged with the outermost ring looks extremely nice, too.
There's really only two things I'd try to tweak with it - one minor, and one more major. I think that the second to most outer ring should be divided into twelve sections, not sixteen - that would make it a much more direct reference to Homura's time magic.
As for the more major thing... I did probably go a bit overboard with my crazed lines, but this is still Puella Magi Adfligo Systema - the magical girl that breaks the system. There should be some small element of asymmetry, I think, to break up the rigid "system" of the rest of the seal.
Alternatively, having some of the lines "break the bounds" of the outer circle could have a similar meaning.
As far as the magic sigil goes I think it should only be asymmetric if you can make the symmetry itself look good at the same time and that's going to be hard to do.
She lost her wish magic but she still has generic magical girl magic and that's more than just her weapon. Remember what she did to the telescope viewer in episode 5?
Mm, that looks cool as heck, and it is a lot cleaner than my design. I really like your take on the central hub - the diamond shape is reminiscent of Homura's magic, and pairs very well with the square created by the starbursts. The Impactors being merged with the outermost ring looks extremely nice, too.
There's really only two things I'd try to tweak with it - one minor, and one more major. I think that the second to most outer ring should be divided into twelve sections, not sixteen - that would make it a much more direct reference to Homura's time magic.
As for the more major thing... I did probably go a bit overboard with my crazed lines, but this is still Puella Magi Adfligo Systema - the magical girl that breaks the system. There should be some small element of asymmetry, I think, to break up the rigid "system" of the rest of the seal.
Alternatively, having some of the lines "break the bounds" of the outer circle could have a similar meaning.
How about a thin diagonal cut? And then shifting the right part, so that it would appear to be "sliding" a little. The image would be diagonally symmetrical, but not circularly. ( if I got the terms right, I kinda studied geometry in Russian )
The outermost circle could serve as a place to write the Witch runes and maybe stylized Latin? Whatever would tickle your fancy, "Adfligo Systema", "SV", "Mumihugs", "Hammertime" etc.
There's really only two things I'd try to tweak with it - one minor, and one more major. I think that the second to most outer ring should be divided into twelve sections, not sixteen - that would make it a much more direct reference to Homura's time magic.
As for the more major thing... I did probably go a bit overboard with my crazed lines, but this is still Puella Magi Adfligo Systema - the magical girl that breaks the system. There should be some small element of asymmetry, I think, to break up the rigid "system" of the rest of the seal.
Alternatively, having some of the lines "break the bounds" of the outer circle could have a similar meaning.
How about a thin diagonal cut? And then shifting the right part, so that it would appear to be "sliding" a little. The image would be diagonally symmetrical, but not circularly. ( if I got the terms right, I kinda studied geometry in Russian )
The outermost circle could serve as a place to write the Witch runes and maybe stylized Latin? Whatever would tickle your fancy, "Adfligo Systema", "SV", "Mumihugs", "Hammertime" etc.
The way I was thinking it, the impacters alone reference our goal of "Breaking the System". I mean, consider we're using Kyubey's System against it. Employing Grief, the very thing it uses to create boundless energy, to undo the whole kit-n'-kaboodle. That was in fact why I had them break up so many of the lines to form a dominant theme around the circle. They're breaking up what would otherwise be a fairly standard magical circle. Doing something more literal-minded like literally making cracks or making it asymmetrical in it would be pretty on the nose and feel... off.
Consider both Homura and Madoka's Seals again. Despite not being perfectly symmetrical or in circles, they do have symmetry in them. Further, I didn't want to copy the same pattern Homura and Madoka's had because it would feel... admittedly lazy.
However, the circle does serve a secondary purpose, by the way I emphasized the diamond and star... we're also specifically breaking the recurrent cycle Homura and Madoka have found themselves in. After all, we were created by Madoka's wish to fix everything, which I would assume Madoka would have meant in extension fix the situation she and Homura have found themselves in. Lastly, by making it this way... it also emphasizes how much of our Grief Magic is built around order and control... unlike the more free-spirited sense of normal Magical Girl magic.
Lastly... I kinda want to save text for Symbols like Madokami's crest.... makes it stand out more.
That being said... I actually intended the tick marks around the rings to call back to the face of a clock.... >_> since it was late when I made the circle, I never did check to see if I put too many of them... Woops. Easily fixed though!
Update: Fixed the tick marks, and made a minor change,
The way I was thinking it, the impacters alone reference our goal of "Breaking the System". I mean, consider we're using Kyubey's System against it. Employing Grief, the very thing it uses to create boundless energy, to undo the whole kit-n'-kaboodle. That was in fact why I had them break up so many of the lines to form a dominant theme around the circle. They're breaking up what would otherwise be a fairly standard magical circle. Doing something more literal-minded like literally making cracks or making it asymmetrical in it would be pretty on the nose and feel... off.
Consider both Homura and Madoka's Seals again. Despite not being perfectly symmetrical or in circles, they do have symmetry in them. Further, I didn't want to copy the same pattern Homura and Madoka's had because it would feel... admittedly lazy.
However, the circle does serve a secondary purpose, by the way I emphasized the diamond and star... we're also specifically breaking the recurrent cycle Homura and Madoka have found themselves in. After all, we were created by Madoka's wish to fix everything, which I would assume Madoka would have meant in extension fix the situation she and Homura have found themselves in. Lastly, by making it this way... it also emphasizes how much of our Grief Magic is built around order and control... unlike the more free-spirited sense of normal Magical Girl magic.
Lastly... I kinda want to save text for Symbols like Madokami's crest.... makes it stand out more.
That being said... I actually intended the tick marks around the rings to call back to the face of a clock.... >_> since it was late when I made the circle, I never did check to see if I put too many of them... Woops. Easily fixed though!
Update: Fixed the tick marks, and made a minor change,
Very, very nice! I'd be happy to call that Sabrina's magic circle. There's a slight asymmetry in the bottom right impactor, though - it doesn't quite cut through the circle like the others.
Very, very nice! I'd be happy to call that Sabrina's magic circle. There's a slight asymmetry in the bottom right impactor, though - it doesn't quite cut through the circle like the others.
